Super-Everything must GO! Tuesday!

[Darth Wong]

So there's a huge tornado in Memphis and I can't find a word about it on CNN.

It's just Elvis' ghost farting. Move along, nothing to see here.

[phongn]

So MSNBC says Clinton is projecting to win with 62% compared to Obama's 36% in New York but the precints reporting in is at 0%.

For fuck's sake, wait a little fucking while!

Exit poll data, probably.

[Dark Hellion]

Of course, because the situations of emergency workers are so close to the number of working poor that the two might as well be synonymous. I mean one is a group of trained professionals who work their jobs for the social good, the other have no appreciable skills and need to work long hours to support families.

But, think of the children Sanchez! Then you can make more shitty false analogies.

[Darth Wong]

My old boss never voted, and he was hardly working poor - he owned the company. He just insisted on working 16 hour days and therefore never made it to the polling booth.

That's an excellent point. People who choose not to vote totally disprove any argument relating to people who are prevented from voting. Well played, good sir. And I also see that you made an excellent point that people who are prevented from voting are not an example of disenfranchisement, as long as there are other kinds of people in this society who are also prevented from voting. This would be the "A is false as long as A is not unique" logic, which is well-recognized by ... well, someone, I'm sure.

[Lusankya]

I hardly see how this invalidates his point.

Einy's original point was that holding elections on non-holiday weekdays disenfranchises the working poor. The problem is, unless the government makes all work illegal on an election day (this includes police, fire, emergency workers, doctors, etc.), somebody is always going to have a tough time voting. Even on Christmas there are still people working, even if it's (typically) limited to cops, firefighters, medical personnel, and other "emergency" workers.

Using the working poor as an example is just another variation of "won't somebody please think of the children!" My old boss never voted, and he was hardly working poor - he owned the company. He just insisted on working 16 hour days and therefore never made it to the polling booth.

That doesn't excuse not making voting as easy as possible for as many poeple as possible.

Sure, it's crap that the 1% of people who are shiftworkers (or whatever) have a more difficult time voting, but surely that's better than if the 5% of people who are working poor as well as the 1% of people who are shiftworkers, have a more difficult time voting. Do you see how 6% of people being unable to vote is worse than 1% of people being unable to vote? Or are you the kind of moron who thinks that unless an absolutely 100% perfect system can be found, there's no point in improving the flaws in the one you're familiar with?

[brianeyci]

I might have to apologize to Lusankya and say that proportional representation works. If the Democrats worked like the Republicans with first past-the-post, Obama would be a complete loser.

We'll see after tonight... it looks like Clinton is holding her own, and might even come out with more delegates than Obama. I thought the worst case scenario would be Clinton wins, but the delegates are split, but there's too big margins in some of the big states and Obama isn't breaking through into the Clinton strongholds.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

[Qwerty 42]

How it looks now, according to http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009942309 as of 9:26 EST:

Alabama- Obama, McCain
Arkansas- Clinton, Huckabee
Connecticut- Obama, McCain
Delaware- Obama, McCain
Georgia- Obama, Huckabee
Illinois- Obama, McCain
Kansas- Obama
Massachusetts- Clinton, Romney
Missouri- Clinton, Huckabee
Montana- McCain
New Jersey- Clinton, McCain
Oklahoma- Clinton, McCain
Tennessee- Clinton, McCain
West Virginia- Huckabee

[Broomstick]

I hardly see how this invalidates his point.

Einy's original point was that holding elections on non-holiday weekdays disenfranchises the working poor. The problem is, unless the government makes all work illegal on an election day (this includes police, fire, emergency workers, doctors, etc.), somebody is always going to have a tough time voting. Even on Christmas there are still people working, even if it's (typically) limited to cops, firefighters, medical personnel, and other "emergency" workers.

So... why can't these shiftworkers and such use absentee ballots? My dad had one of those jobs that would require him to work holidays and weird, long hours - when his job might interfere with his voting he got an absentee ballot. My mother is disabled - she's been voting absentee a couple decades now because it's so hard for her to get to the polls. Is it really that difficult a concept?

[JME2]

And McCain pulls ahead again...Someone tell me how the fuck this happened; three months ago, his campgain was falling apart and I was cheering at the sellout crashing and burning....

[Gandalf]

And McCain pulls ahead again...Someone tell me how the fuck this happened; three months ago, his campaign was falling apart and I was cheering at the sellout crashing and burning....

The Republicans seem to be choosing between the people who suck the least. I can't think of someone who hasn't crashed and burned on their side of the aisle.

[Soontir C'boath]

So MSNBC says Clinton is projecting to win with 62% compared to Obama's 36% in New York but the precints reporting in is at 0%. For fuck's sake, wait a little fucking while!

Exit poll data, probably.

Yea, looking at it. The majority of voters in NY are women and the majority of them voted for Hillary. It's matching up quite well with the results.

[Surlethe]

So MSNBC says Clinton is projecting to win with 62% compared to Obama's 36% in New York but the precints reporting in is at 0%.

For fuck's sake, wait a little fucking while!

Exit poll data, probably.

How trustworthy are those? Wasn't there a big brouhaha back in 2000 over the networks calling it early based on exit polls?

[Xisiqomelir]

lol@Hildawg bragging and running before Cali comes in. She knows it's hers to lose.

[phongn]

How trustworthy are those? Wasn't there a big brouhaha back in 2000 over the networks calling it early based on exit polls?

Yes, but the media was calling results before the polls closed; and for large margins of victory (such as in NY or UT), the polls are probably accurate.

[Big Phil]

I hardly see how this invalidates his point.

Einy's original point was that holding elections on non-holiday weekdays disenfranchises the working poor. The problem is, unless the government makes all work illegal on an election day (this includes police, fire, emergency workers, doctors, etc.), somebody is always going to have a tough time voting. Even on Christmas there are still people working, even if it's (typically) limited to cops, firefighters, medical personnel, and other "emergency" workers.

Using the working poor as an example is just another variation of "won't somebody please think of the children!" My old boss never voted, and he was hardly working poor - he owned the company. He just insisted on working 16 hour days and therefore never made it to the polling booth.

That doesn't excuse not making voting as easy as possible for as many poeple as possible.

There is a significant difference between a) not making voting as easy as possible (this is clearly not done) and b) voter suppression. There are plenty of ways for people to vote in the US. For Christ's sake, Oregon votes entirely by mail-in ballot. There's no excuse for not voting in Oregon unless you're a lazy sack of shit. In other states, you can register absentee and vote by mail.

Sure, it's crap that the 1% of people who are shiftworkers (or whatever) have a more difficult time voting, but surely that's better than if the 5% of people who are working poor as well as the 1% of people who are shiftworkers, have a more difficult time voting. Do you see how 6% of people being unable to vote is worse than 1% of people being unable to vote? Or are you the kind of moron who thinks that unless an absolutely 100% perfect system can be found, there's no point in improving the flaws in the one you're familiar with?

What the hell are you babbling about? I said nothing about maintaining the status quo, only that pissing about voter suppression is horseshit; it's dirt simple to register absentee and vote by mail. Don't tell me the working poor can't afford the cost of a stamp to mail their vote in...

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

And McCain pulls ahead again...Someone tell me how the fuck this happened; three months ago, his campgain was falling apart and I was cheering at the sellout crashing and burning....

Given the options, there aren't a lot to really really choose, really.

[Big Phil]

I hardly see how this invalidates his point.

Einy's original point was that holding elections on non-holiday weekdays disenfranchises the working poor. The problem is, unless the government makes all work illegal on an election day (this includes police, fire, emergency workers, doctors, etc.), somebody is always going to have a tough time voting. Even on Christmas there are still people working, even if it's (typically) limited to cops, firefighters, medical personnel, and other "emergency" workers.

So... why can't these shiftworkers and such use absentee ballots? My dad had one of those jobs that would require him to work holidays and weird, long hours - when his job might interfere with his voting he got an absentee ballot. My mother is disabled - she's been voting absentee a couple decades now because it's so hard for her to get to the polls. Is it really that difficult a concept?

Of course people can vote absentee; it's easy to do; I've been doing it for a decade. I don't understand the pissing and moaning about voter suppression because an election is held on a Tuesday.

[Vaporous]

Mike Huckabee carries the south. Who could have known?

Well, he pretty much locks up the veep nod. McCain needs him to have even a shred of legitimacy, and even then it's a stretch.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Mike Huckabee carries the south. Who could have known?

Well, he pretty much locks up the veep nod. McCain needs him to have even a shred of legitimacy, and even then it's a stretch.

That, is a very... VERY scary thought... because if Huck joins McCain, many of the Fundi Evangelic Republicans, who MIGHT have stayed home due to being fed up with thier choices, will turn out in droves to vote for Huck, wwhich will in essence put a Young Earth Creationist in a spot to make decision in the VP spot...

[Dark Hellion]

Voter disenfranchisement and voter suppression are different things. One is simply the fact that American voting practices are not in synch with the way that the modern world works. The other is the strawman you are trying to impose. I mean, its not like voting should be made convenient for the huge portion of society that has families and works 9-5 jobs. That would just make it too easy. Because they can just fill out absentee ballets, just like if my house is burning, 911 doesn't need to respond to my call, I can get my phonebook and look up my local fire department. I mean, simplifying important social processes so they work with the greatest majority of the populace is no big deal.

[Xisiqomelir]

What the hell California. Why do you do this to me

[phongn]

What the hell California. Why do you do this to me

For all those who like actual content, MSNBC is calling California for Clinton and McCain.

[His Divine Shadow]

Oh man I was hoping to wake up to news about Obamas win of the primaries today, no such luck. Who is leading overall?

[Morilore]

Oh man I was hoping to wake up to news about Obamas win of the primaries today, no such luck. Who is leading overall?

Clinton, right now. But the night is very young, and both of the candidates seem to think that it won't be decisive anyway. Also, cheer up about California; unless I'm mistaken, the primary votes in each state are divided proportionally, as opposed to the winner-take-all final election.

[His Divine Shadow]

I just went to MSNBC and saw they had called Cali for Clinton with with 15% of the votes in?