Rick Perry Is Done For

[Count Chocula]

Yo Flagg,

I'm not a Perry fan anyway. Care to provide a reference for those pastoral quotes? Was it Hagee perchance?

[Stark]

Who cares what you think, beyond the hilarious 'his past counts, but not his past' jokes?

[Zinegata]

So, if it's proven that it was painted over 20 years ago, Flagg and Stark will stop being as ridiculous as Caine is being right now?

Nah, I think they'll just switch gears and continue hurling more insults at their perceived enemies. It's SDN after all

Edit: Wait, no. Caine at least only called Perry "insensitive". It'd be an insult to compare Caine to these two jokers for trying to lynch Perry on spurious evidence and blatant double standards.

[Flagg]

Yo Flagg,

I'm not a Perry fan anyway. Care to provide a reference for those pastoral quotes? Was it Hagee perchance?

Yahoo Search

[Bakustra]

The CIA has collaborated with a number of drug-trafficking groups. But go ahead and explain what problems within the black community you think are the fault of black people, or for that matter where, apart from the government providing drugs, the speech is exaggerated to the point of falsehood. I look forward to it.

"Collaboration" does not mean actually peddling drugs and many of them were operations where CIA agents operated as double agents to penetrate drug rings and whatnot.

Much of black poverty is caused by for example the lack of stable families and the lack of importance many families place in education. In addition the US government has tried to do much for blacks (and other minorities in general)-Civil Rights Acts, desegregation, and Great Society programs for a start.

Read the fucking article you slacker. It specifically mentions cases where the CIA stopped the DEA from acting against drug traffickers, gave money to traffickers, and generally assisted in the importation of drugs to the United States. They did not personally order field agents to heft sacks of blow into vans or swallow condoms full of coke and get on an airplane, but they certainly knew that the coke would go into the USA and they didn't give a rat's ass about that.

So your entire response to that is that civil rights programs, which black communities and black leaders fought and gave their goddamn lives for (while Chocula smarms about how that was all in the past and we should put it behind us) make up for all the other things the US government has done to treat its minorities shittily. Meanwhile, black families in inner cities tend to have stability problems. There tends to be a rejection of traditional education in those same areas. Where did this come from? Why did this happen? Well, your response is apparently that black families chose this, as I asked specifically what problems you believed to be the fault of black people. Or maybe your reading comprehension is at about a fourth grade level.

[Count Chocula]

Bakustra, are you contending that the mostly white CIA works with brown and yellow people from other countries to bring drugs to blacks? 'Cause that's the vibe I'm feeling.

BTW, "smarms" is not a verb *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

EDIT: whaddaya know, "smarm" IS a verb. I correct myself.

[Bakustra]

Bakustra, are you contending that the mostly white CIA works with brown and yellow people from other countries to bring drugs to blacks? 'Cause that's the vibe I'm feeling.

BTW, "smarms" is not a verb *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

No. Reread my posts all the way through, and the ones that they are addressing, you fucking idiot. My contention is that Jeremiah Wright saying that the US government provides drugs to the inner cities does not come out of nowhere, and instead is a reaction to the CIA helping drugs enter the US because it was "vital to our national interest". Therefore, dismissing it outright is dangerous. But thank you for somehow distorting my words to make them less reasonable. If you weren't so obviously brain-dead I'd think it a clever trick, but I know that it's just a consequence of the oxygen deprivation.

[Count Chocula]

Well Bakustra, by that same logic, drug use is pretty widespread in America, including places where people have lots o' money. Granting your contention that the CIA funnelled drugs to the US to raise an off-books slush fund, a contention I can't really argue, they made drugs available to more than just inner-city black folk. Wright's pointing that out is just another indication that he's wearing his own racial blinders.

EDIT: Gawddam we're off topic. And I still prefer Herman Cain over the other contenders.

[Crateria]

Well this thread got interesting.

Thinking about some more, I don't really care for Perry's policies (or basically any of the GOP contenders', for that matter) but I just thought that this incident would simply be enough to end Perry's chances of success. I suppose this assumption was based on spite towards the Republithugs (may as well take at least one of them out of the race, you know) rather than whether or not Perry was really a racist.

[CaptainChewbacca]

No, Flagg, he leases a hunting ground that USED to be named niggerhead. Its now called "North Camp Pasture". According to Perry the name was painted over in 1983, when his father acquired the lease on the property.

The Daily Show did a great sendup of the stupidity of this issue, and managed to point out that there's at least 100 geographic locations in the US, from Nigger Lake in New York to Nigger Mining District in Washington State, that have 'Nigger' in the title.

Is everyone who ever goes to any of those places a racist and/or douchebag?

[CaptainChewbacca]

Is everyone who ever goes to any of those places a racist and/or douchebag?

Probably?

So how many times do I have to visit a place called 'Chinaman's Creek Restaurant' before I'm a racist? Once? Twice? What if its next to my job and I eat there on Wednsdays and Fridays? Is it okay to use their phone if my car breaks down, or is that a hate crime?

If I was born in a house on Jap Road, do I automatically hate Asian people? What if I buy a house on Jap Road, is that condoning the use of the term?

Where's the line? If Perry had leased the property only once, and then never gone back would that make him racist? Two times if he felt really bad? Tell me how involved a person has to be with a geographic location that has a racially insensitive name before they officially become a racist, and I'll be sure I stick to those guidelines.

[CaptainChewbacca]

In other news, Black Texas Democrats also don't think Perry is racist

Wallace Jefferson, the first black chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court, said the hunting ranch name controversy is "much ado about nothing" and argued the implication that Rick Perry is insensitive to matters of race is flatly wrong. Jefferson, who was appointed to the post by Perry, and whose great-great-great-grandfather was a slave owned by a Waco district judge, said the reality is quite the opposite: Perry "appreciates the role diversity plays in our state and nation."

Jefferson said he can recall his first conversation with Perry, in 2001, like it was yesterday. They talked about how Jefferson's father and Perry had both been Air Force officers. Jefferson said Perry shared his view that in all circumstances, merit mattered, not race.

"To imply that the governor condoned either the use of that word or that sentiment, I find false," Jefferson said.

At a critical juncture in his race for the GOP presidential nomination, Gov. Rick Perry has been forced to do something no candidate wants: confront incendiary allegations involving race and prejudice.

While he should be bragging about fundraising totals and reconnecting with primary voters after his less-than-stellar debate performances, the Texas governor is instead defending himself from accusations that his family’s West Texas hunting camp was long known by the racially offensive name “Niggerhead.” The Washington Post reported Sunday that the name was visible on a rock at the camp in the 1980s and 1990s and possibly far more recently.

Perry has forcefully denied that his family ever used the term and has said that this parents painted over the rock in the early 1980s, shortly after they first leased the land.

Even some of Perry's fiercest Texas critics say they do not believe he is racist. They point to his record of appointments as evidence: He appointed the state’s first African-American state supreme court justice, Wallace Jefferson, and later made him chief justice. (Jefferson’s great grandfather was a slave, “sold like a horse,” Perry once said with disgust.) Perry’s former general counsel and former chief of staff, Brian Newby, is black; so is Albert Hawkins, the former Health and Human Services commissioner who Perry handpicked to lead the massive agency in 2002.

“He doesn’t have a racist bone in his body,” said former Democratic state Rep. Ron Wilson, who is black and served with Perry in his early years in the Legislature. “He didn’t then, and he doesn’t now.”

Added Dallas Democratic Sen. Royce West, who is also black: “I don’t agree with him on policy issues, but you can point to many things he has done that were sensitive to ethnic minorities.”

Indeed, in his 11-year gubernatorial tenure, Perry has appointed more minorities to statewide posts — including university regents and secretaries of state — than any governor in Texas history. The biggest beating he’s taken on the campaign trail so far? His unwavering support for granting in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants in Texas.

“Texans need to see that no matter where you come from, the color of your skin or the sound of your last name, that if you are willing to work hard and play by the rules you can become anything you want in this state,” Perry said in a 2010 interview with The Dallas Examiner.

But Sunday’s Washington Post article suggesting the Perry family didn’t go far enough to rid the moniker “Niggerhead” from the West Texas hunting land has cast a pall on his presidential bid — and provided ammunition for his opponents, including African-American businessman Herman Cain, who recently won the Florida GOP straw poll. On Sunday, in response to the Post story, Cain called Perry “insensitive” to African-Americans.

More at the link. So people with years of experience interacting with Rick Perry think the allegations are absurd and that he's a decent human being.

I think that puts this nonissue to bed.

[Lord Baal]

Ok, now I get it, thanks for the comprehensive explanation! Now, if this retarded didn't repainted the rock as soon as he bought the propriety is either a fucking idiot (for forgetting something like removing a written insult at the gates of his propriety) or a fucking racist idiot (for obvious reasons). In either case, as you can see, the guy strike me as a fucking idiot.

[CaptainChewbacca]

From various reports, it looks like the rock WAS repainted not long after the property was acquired, again by his FATHER and not by him.

[Lord Baal]

But how long it was that? I mean, a couple of days would be fine I think. Maybe up to a week, but more would be pretty hard to come by as a mistake or forgiveness about it. If you buy a house with a dick painted on the door how long would you wait for pain it?? XoD

Oh, if the propriety belongs to another person (his father) then he's safe (unless he didn't say anything to his father about it, but theres no way to prove or disprove that), his father is the idiot (in case he waited too long to paint it).

[CaptainChewbacca]

From what I've read, his father was the original leaseholder in the family, but when it became a 'family retreat' at some point ownership was transferred to Perry. This goes along with claims that the name was changed 'soon' after, but if its a place they only visit once every few years (which is how it has been represented), 'soon' could easily be half a decade.

[CaptainChewbacca]

There you go. Dislike the man for what he says, or what he does, or you can even judge a man by his friends.

But by the original name of his family hunting grounds? That's a bit much

[Flagg]

There you go. Dislike the man for what he says, or what he does, or you can even judge a man by his friends.

But by the original name of his family hunting grounds? That's a bit much

Oh I already disliked him. This just adds more for me to dislike him for. And I guarantee that if Obama leased an estate called Crackerville there'd be alot of people in this thread singing a different tune since they threw out the Rev Wright red herring.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I don't know about that, I've seen Obama do at least one photo-op here and nobody complained.

[Flagg]

I don't know about that, I've seen Obama do at least one photo-op here and nobody complained.

Well played.

Though I'd be remiss not to point out to the dumbshits in the peanut gallery that a crackerbarrel is something you store crackers in. Actual crackers, not dead honkeys.

[bobalot]

Flagg don't you understand? One random black politician said he's not offended by it therefore it must be okay.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Flagg don't you understand? One random black politician said he's not offended by it therefore it must be okay.

My article had 4 or 5, plus there's also the President. So far the only ones offended are Al Sharpton and Herman Cain.

[Civil War Man]

My article had 4 or 5, plus there's also the President. So far the only ones offended are Al Sharpton and Herman Cain.

In the case of Herman Cain, when Perry gave his explanation, Cain's response was "Okay, good enough. Let's talk about something else."

[Todeswind]

And Cain has retracted his statement.

This in't a case of "some black guy" it's "several black guy who are Perry's direct political opponents and would profit from his demise" as well as "a supreme court justice." And when people like the Former Democractic speaker of the house Glib Lewis aren't taking the chance to sabotage Perry's campaign, there's a reason for it. And it isn't because they don't want to do so.

Former House Speaker Gib Lewis, a Democrat, said it was not uncommon for geographical features to carry racially offensive names as a vestige of the post-Civil War South, but those references have largely been eliminated over the years.

Lewis said in his dealings with Perry as a legislator and a state elected official, he’s never heard the governor express racial intolerance.

“It’s a cheap shot,” Lewis said. “I’ve known Rick ever since he came to the Legislature. I’ve been around him and I’ve never heard him say anything — and trust me, I’ve heard a lot of people say a lot of racist things.”

Royce West is not a political yes man for Perry by any account.

“Is Governor Perry a racist? Absolutely not,” West said. But have his policies hurt black Texans? “That’s the reality,” the senator said.

There are plenty of legitimate sources of criticism for Perry (there's a short laundry list of stupid shit he's done in the link below). This sign just isn't one of them.

Source : http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/P ... Y_6214631/

[Thanas]

Okay guys, the stupid part has been excised as much as possible. Try to behave yourself, okay?