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Re: Try to scale a Russian oil platform? You might be a Pira

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Irbis wrote:
Siege wrote:Given that this is Russia, a place where you can get locked up in a work camp for years for disturbing a church service
You were saying?
Thanas guessed right, they did get a fine (article in German). The initial demand by the state attorney was a fine of 1.200 EUR, but it was later reduced to 150 EUR by the judge. The defendants weren't too cooperative by the way, since they delayed the process several times with challenges on grounds of bias. The final judge still gave the defendant half an hour to explain his political ideas.
I'm not sure if that is equivalent to two years in siberia.
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So even the district attorney did not seek more than a relatively small fine. As expected.
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Irbis wrote:
Siege wrote:Given that this is Russia, a place where you can get locked up in a work camp for years for disturbing a church service
You were saying?
Is something about what I said unclear? Or do you think perhaps I might be a-ok with a sentence like that handed to members of Pussy Riot if it came from a court outside of Russia? Or is there some other reason you felt it necessary to post this particular phrase in this particular instance aside from my current interpretation of bone-headed belligerence?
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I think Irbis meant that Russia is not the only place where you can get a sentence for disturbing a religious service, so singling it out is wrong.

On the other hand, I see no reason to specifically say "like Germany, Qatar or any other nations that see it fit to punish people for disturbing religious ceremonies".
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I am pretty sure you can get sentenced for disturbing a religious service in every country ever. If not under special, then under general trespassing/disturbing laws.
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Stas Bush wrote:I think Irbis meant that Russia is not the only place where you can get a sentence for disturbing a religious service, so singling it out is wrong.
First, there's a notable difference between "a sentence" and "three years in a work camp". I hope we can all agree there's a subtle nuance between getting fined for making a nuisance of oneself and getting locked up for years and being disappeared for weeks on end during 'prison transfers' or whatever craziness.

Second, I'm not singling anybody out: I'll merrily condemn all nations that engage in this sort of bullfuckery. I'm big into egalitarian bullfuckery condemnation. And I dislike having it implied that I might be anything less.

Third and finally, if he'd said "this doesn't happen exclusively in Russia, here's a German case" that would at least be clear. So if that was what he wanted to say then I would suggest he in the future just say it because this guess-the-conjecture implied gotcha nonsense gets us nowhere.
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Thanas wrote:I am pretty sure you can get sentenced for disturbing a religious service in every country ever. If not under special, then under general trespassing/disturbing laws.
Indeed, but it is different when there's a special law to punish uppity unbelivers.
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Stas Bush wrote:
Thanas wrote:I am pretty sure you can get sentenced for disturbing a religious service in every country ever. If not under special, then under general trespassing/disturbing laws.
Indeed, but it is different when there's a special law to punish uppity unbelivers.
Is the law punishing unbelievers or is it ensuring that people can practice their religious freedoms without fear of mob interference? I think it is the latter.
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