The New McCarthyism.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-05-03 11:58pm

Durran Korr wrote:
I dont pretend to understand American demographics totally. But I will ask the question again.
Are you American, or are you not?
I'm both an American and a Georgian. E Pluribus Unum, remember?

I dont speak Latin, try English and make yourself understood.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-05-03 11:59pm

McCarthyism is the Political Correct word to replace Naziism.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-03 11:59pm

E Pluribus Unum = One from Many.

BTW, I find the politically immature jibe particularly ironic from a guy whose country still relies largely on others for defense.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-04 12:00am

Montcalm wrote:McCarthyism is the Political Correct word to replace Naziism.

No, McCarthyism is not Nazism, not even close. Not even in the same universe as close.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-04 12:02am

I dont speak Latin, try English and make yourself understood.

"Out of the Many, One"

Pluribus = many, in ablative since it's a prepositional phrase, and unum = one, accusative(direct object), and 'E' = 'out', the preposition.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-05-04 12:16am

Durran Korr wrote:E Pluribus Unum = One from Many.

Ahh, Thank you.

BTW, I find the politically immature jibe particularly ironic from a guy whose country still relies largely on others for defense.

*snigger, snort, chuckle*
Well fuck me days, mate, you gonna back that one up?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-04 12:19am

*snigger, snort, chuckle*
Well fuck me days, mate, you gonna back that one up?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I was under the impression that NZ didn't heavily invest in its own defense.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-05-04 12:31am

Durran Korr wrote:
*snigger, snort, chuckle*
Well fuck me days, mate, you gonna back that one up?
Correct me if I'm wrong. I was under the impression that NZ didn't heavily invest in its own defense.

Compared to America? no we dont spend 3% of GDP on defence, more like one and a bit %.
Now where is that evidence that we rely on others for our defence?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-04 12:34am

I read it somewhere, but I've done some research and it turns out I was misinformed. I apologize.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-05-04 12:37am

Durran Korr wrote:I read it somewhere, but I've done some research and it turns out I was misinformed. I apologize.

No worrys.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-05-04 01:51am

Johonebesus wrote: There is absolutely no sensible reason why school funding should be based on local property taxes. Every school should have roughly the same facilities, and the same funding in proportion to the number of students.

You sooner see a planet killer hitting the USA before that will ever happened.

If the states won't do it voluntarily, then the Congress should force the states to equalize school funding.

Don't expect any of those Congress members who voted for it to be re-elected. And worse is the next Congress will repeal it.

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-05-05 12:54pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Montcalm wrote:McCarthyism is the Political Correct word to replace Naziism.
No, McCarthyism is not Nazism, not even close. Not even in the same universe as close.

McCarthyism is a brand of nationalism, even ultranationalism. Nationalism is what bred Fascism, Fascism is what bred Nazism. All steps along an unholy chain.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-05 01:06pm

McCarthyism is the mentality that you must be a traitor if you disagree with the state, and you should be dealt with accordingly. It is a horrifying mentality, and the only difference between a benign McCarthyist and a Nazi is the brutality with which they think you should be "dealt with accordingly".

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-05-05 01:16pm

Some might say that it is "McCarthyist" for people to protest the Dixie Chicks for their announcement of an unpopular sentiment... but in truth I think it is just the give and take of public discourse. There are many others who applauded or stood up for the DC's and no one, not the DC's or their supporters, were hauled before a kangaroo-court of "Un-American activities" investigations.

If you make an unpopular statement, you have to be prepared to face some critique for that.

On the other hand, there is the Politically Correct quasi-McCarthyism that has permeated society at many levels-- the young child who was expelled from school (I think he was maybe 8 years old?) for kissing a female classmate on the cheek... sexual harassment, they actually declared it? It was a couple years ago...

I wonder-- how come when someone who is anti-Bush/US/war makes a loud public protest (as is their right) all is well and good, until someone with a different opinion DARES to disagree with them, and present their own point of view-- then suddenly the pro-Bush/US/war person is an "intolerant Nazi" trying to "crush 1st Amendment Rights". The 1st Amendment does not just protect liberal speech. It means both sides get to bark at each other equally.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-05 01:28pm

Coyote wrote:The 1st Amendment does not just protect liberal speech. It means both sides get to bark at each other equally.

Very true, even though it's an oversimplification to assume (even though it tends to be sadly true in American political discourse) that everything boils down to just two distinct "sides".

Barking at people over an argument is fine. Attempting to organize punitive ACTION over an argument is definitely walking that fine line between public discourse and McCarthyist coercion, and perhaps stepping right over it. And criminalizing association with undesirable political movements is outright fascism. The question is what we are dealing with here, and in what proportions.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-05-05 02:09pm

Tom_Aurum wrote:No, McCarthyism is not Nazism, not even close. Not even in the same universe as close.

McCarthyism is a brand of nationalism, even ultranationalism. Nationalism is what bred Fascism, Fascism is what bred Nazism. All steps along an unholy chain.[/quote]

That's one slippery slope to assume that McCarthyism will lead down to Nazism.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-05-05 02:37pm

Oh wow, you guys are right! We need a federal mandate commanding every citizen to buy a Dixie Chicks album, otherwise it's McCarthyism.

Stupid citizenry, thinking it has the right not to patronize entities it decides it doesn't care for.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-05 02:39pm

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:Oh wow, you guys are right! We need a federal mandate commanding every citizen to buy a Dixie Chicks album, otherwise it's McCarthyism.

Stupid citizenry, thinking it has the right not to patronize entities it decides it doesn't care for.

Hey look, it's Captain JackAss and his wild-eyed strawman distortions!