Is Bush a war mongering idiot?

[KrauserKrauser]

For all you that believe Bush Jr. to be an idiot.

I would like declare anyone that was able to get Bachelors and MBA from both Harvard and Yale an idiot.

No he didn't get bad grades.

No he didn't have them bought and paid for.

Yes he was on the pep squad. So was Reagan lol

He may talk funny, but he's nobody's fool.

[Hamel]

No he didn't have them bought and paid for.

Positive?

[weemadando]

For all you that believe Bush Jr. to be an idiot.

*raises hand*

I would like declare anyone that was able to get Bachelors and MBA from both Harvard and Yale an idiot.

Judging by the amount of sense that sentence made you'd have trouble graduating from grade school.

No he didn't get bad grades.

No shit.

No he didn't have them bought and paid for.

No, he just had them bribed, blackmailed and otherwise solicited.

Yes he was on the pep squad. So was Reagan lol

And he waved J. Edgar Hoovers old pom-poms about as well.

He may talk funny, but he's nobody's fool.

Damn straight. He's everybodies fool.

[Axis Kast]

Positive?

Are you? And isn't there something that people on this board like to say about proving negatives?

Judging by the amount of sense that sentence made you'd have trouble graduating from grade school.

Ad-hominem.

No, he just had them bribed, blackmailed and otherwise solicited.

Just like all wealthy people, George W. Bush obviously bribed everyone with whom he came into contact . Proof?

Damn straight. He's everybodies fool.

Unfounded opinion.

Why don't you expand on your feelings, Weemadando? I want to know your reasons.

[Coyote]

oy, time to stir up some shit!
*goes ssj4874498*

... it is the conservatives who have jobs and ergo, the money to afford computers and net hookups. Heeheehee.

nice flamebait

Don't forget you have the racists, the Heman "wimin" haters, the fundies, and nascar fans

I can't forget them, I live among them! Bimper stickers saying "if it ain't King James, it ain't Bible" and Confederate flag draped pick-ups.... lahk a piggy rollin' in poop!

My dad is very liberal, made more money in his 70hr/week job in the course of a few years than you ever will

Right now anyone with a job, period, is on a higher plane of existance than I.

At least they had better things to do than to care more about Clinton's dick than national/international issues

Ah, but remember, I picked issues to whinge about re. Clinton not his weenie. I couldn't care less about where his schlong has been. I mean, hell, would you want to stick it to Hillary?

Our pundits, whatever you think about them, aren't calling for deporting/killing/threatening/doing whatever you want to conservatives, unlike your beloved Coulter and Savage that do that shit to liberals

'Course I don't listen to them, though, so I can't refute or agree. But I do hear a lot of libs acts like if anyone who doesn't agree with them must be mentally deficent....

I like how conservatives deify Reagan when his hands were dirty as fuck.

Oh, c'mon, do you think there's been a clean politician since day one? Seriously? There's enough dirt to bury all of them. There are no saints out there, even among the masses.

I like how so many conservatives said Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick (with no evidence to back it up, not even mentioning how Juanita's family said she was a fucking liar) and consider it indisputable fact, but don't care about Reagan being accused of raping Selene Walters (which probably didn't have much credibility behind it either).

I'm unfamiliar with either of these cases. I do find it odd that women' groups were all up in arms at the indignity of thet Washington state Senator, a Republican, who had sex with one of his intern girlies-- they were ferocious, hellfire and brimstone avengers indeed for that-- but nary a peep about Bill's antics. Women only count if they are of a 'particular political preference' otherwise they're meat and get everything they deserve.

Okay, the deployments were stupid, but there's no need to cry over not getting all the toys the military wanted

Unless it guts readiness and leaves us with so few pilots that the handful left over must take-- gasp-- amphetamines to fly more missions. But that would never happen. When safety and judgement are hindered, this is beyond toys.

The aura of asskissing that follows in the wake of the Kennedy administration ...

Cuban Missle Crisis, though indeed he was shady

And Leftists-- who care oh so much for the 'poor Iraqis'

I don't think Clinton had any business in Iraq and deserves equal criticism

Hmmm, maybe we're not so far as I thought.... you're certainly not a knee-jerk apologist or 'spinner' so a hoist of a brew to you, sir!

BTW, don't cut on liberals for their feelings toward the Iraqis when it is well known that you never give a shit about them in the first place

You know so much about what goes on in my mind? There you go with your own fallacies, Hamel. I have spent far more time looking into the history, culture, and backgrounds of the Arabs and Muslims than you have, I am sure. And no, not so it would be easier to kill them.

I love playing the illogical, chock fulla fallacies game you enjoy so much.

I love how you just assume to know what is on my mind, how you just assume that your shit don't stink... you actually agreed with some of my points and went off on fallacies of your own (like I give a damn about Clinton's affairs), so sit at home and look in the mirror and practice calling the kettle black...

That's funny, I thought it was because Bush and his administration were fucking around in Afghanistan, threatening to bomb the country over a pipeline deal gone bad, and ignoring every warning of a coming attack.

Hmmm.. creation of Mujahideen resistance, the formative organism of the Taliban and al-Qaeida... between 1979-1990. Creation of anti-Western fanatic Muslim hatred and Muslim Brotherhood... uhhh.... Hasan al-Bana's "Signposts", written in 1957....Clinton's refusal to accept bin-Laden as a prisoner of the Sudanese, around maybe 1998.... Clinton refused to pressure the Saudis to let FBI investigators see to the Khobar Towers bombng, uhhh... 1997....

Yessirree, bob, it was that darn Bush all along!

Geez, if this guy had half the power your paranoid delusions gave him, he'd be a fucking Sith Lord.

I honestly don't think 9/11 would have happened had Gore been in the Whitehouse, and I'd like to take the time to laugh at the boring, overused "thank god it was bush and not gore" comments, seeing as how they don't make any sense at all. This is the conservative equivilent of the "no blood for oil" thing

That's because it is a raistic observation, but that is just in my opinion so I woud not expect you to agree with it. You don't think 9/11 would have happened if Gore was in the White House? Seriously?

The planning for 9/11 was elaborate, man, setting up sleeper cells and advance stuff like they had? They didn't pull it out of their asses. It was set up a LONG time before Bush was even a contender for the race. C'mon, be real here! It's the same group that blew up Khobar Towers AND the African Embassies, and the USS Cole!

They were racking up body count during the Clinton administration, and one thing I can say about Clinton that I liked was that he was bending over backwards to get a MidEast peace deal with the Israelis and Paletinians! If Osama cared so much about the Palestinians, why did he shoot in the foot, over and over, the one guy who was making progress?

9/11 would have happened regardless. We'll never know what Gore would have done but I doubt he would have done much more than send a strongly worded letter to the UN and lobbed a few cruise missiles at some huts.

If he HAD done something like the Afghan invasion, I will say he would have been more responsive with the post-war situation and given them more aid, rather than leave Karzai out to dry.

[Sriad]

War? Check. Mongering? That's debatable, but the war in Iraq certainly could have been handled a lot better from conception. (WMDs! Wait, there are no WMDs, so we're Humanitarian! So why are we doing such a bad job? Yea, we'll get back to you...) I'm sure everyone's doing the best they can [<-he lies!], but Bush dove in before knowing how deep the pool was and now we've got this nation of factionalized tribes and warlords that we don't know what to do with.
Wait, am I talking about Afghanistan? Wait, same problem!

Mind you, I do support the publicly touted benifits of the wars: the Taliban out of power = good, Sadam Hussein out of power = good, but the side effects are pretty nasty. I don't expect instant results, but constant progress is not an unreasonable demand.

I guess "Idiot" is debatable, but there are only so many ways I can justify waging a war with one hand and signing tax cuts with the other and "Cunning economist" isn't one of them.