"Uneducated Southerner" stereotypes

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-10-09 06:50pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The IB is internationally recognized, and we don't have a vast majority Asian bergoise student body.
Innerbrat is internationally recognized?

Well duh, didn't you know that?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-09 07:35pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Exonerate wrote: http://www.abcusd.k12.ca.us/srcards/whitney.pdf

The IB is internationally recognized, and we don't have a vast majority Asian bergoise student body.

bergoise? It is spelled bourgeois.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-09 07:53pm

phongn wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Exonerate wrote: http://www.abcusd.k12.ca.us/srcards/whitney.pdf

The IB is internationally recognized, and we don't have a vast majority Asian bergoise student body.
bergoise? It is spelled bourgeois.

*slaps self in forehead*

I always get that one wrong. I should've been a French student, not a Spanish one.

Darth Wong wrote:Innerbrat is internationally recognized?

The International Baccalaureate Organization (IBO)

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-09 07:58pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I always get that one wrong. I should've been a French student, not a Spanish one.

/smacks IP

Bah, you should know the spelling anyways closes window to the OED

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-09 09:45pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The IB is internationally recognized, and we don't have a vast majority Asian bergoise student body.
Innerbrat is internationally recognized?

~ver

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-10-09 09:53pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The IB is internationally recognized, and we don't have a vast majority Asian bergoise student body.
Innerbrat is internationally recognized?

Somebody please make the sexual joke that is almost screaming for! I don't feel like it at the moment.

And, as to why my "by choice" school didn't kick out the idiots/criminals (I shit you not, people stole computer parts and didn't even get suspended), I will tell you what I was told by a cynical retired Navy Commander:

Students = Money

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-10-09 10:45pm

Well, here's my old high school. Currently 3500 students, down from a high (my senior year) of 5000. Blue Ribbon School of Excellence, Physics teacher in the National Teacher Hall of Fame (Jane Bray Nelson) who also was an Air Force Society Central Florida Science Educator of the Year in 1998. The school was actually fairly good, considering it was heavily migrant (class size fluctuated up to 200 students per year net change) and many of those were "migrant workers" children, whose family never settled in one place long enough for them to become accustomed to any one school system.

And we used the 94-100 grading scale. I had three Bs in high school. They were a 93.4, a 93.2, and a 92.7. The 7-point scale can make a big difference for some students (yes, I'm bitter...it meant I was 24th in my class instead of 1st).

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2003-10-13 12:45am

Phil Skayhan wrote:Perhaps a graphic would help illustrate the trend

And Shep, it says "Garden State" not "Farm State". If your only experience in NJ was along the Turnpike (especially above New Brunswick) then your assumption would seem true. But go just a little west of that and you might be surprised.

the states with the lowest scores seem to be primarily rural states...should this be a suprise????

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-10-13 01:01am

Aeolus, the more rural states are the central states. They have some of the better education. The real worst states are the deep-south states (specifically Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama) as well as the south west, especilly New Mexico and Nevada. The best, ofcourse, are the New England states. I'm surprised that the midwest-northern states got so high, tho. Especially Montana.. You wouldn't expect that.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-10-13 01:46am

I'd be interested to see someone chart population growth against quality of schools statewide. It seems to me, just looking at the map, that a few sun belt states with booming populations are near the bottom of the list. It could be that in some states, rapidly growing populations are placing additional stress on the school systems, while schools in states with steady or declining populations do better (at least until the tax base erodes to the point that budgets have to be cut).

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-10-13 02:30am

Sweet Merciful Crap! Florida's ranked 40!?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. When my brother had a book report, one of my uncles said he only needed to read the first and last two pages in the book. He has a very promising job as a prison guard.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-13 02:36am

Note in the last 20 years only two departments in California have never had a budget cut. BoP (Prisons), and CalTRANS (Highways) does that tell you anything. Pete Wilson's fiasco was completly elemenating 1/4 of all firefighters and Paramedics and THEN complaining when he had no one to fight fires or rescue people from collapsing buildings.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-10-13 10:03pm

I'm from Ohio, damn well near the middle of the list. And I'm proud to be so much more educated than the usual bumpkins we have over here.

Though I'm sick of people not knowing jack-rabbit shit about geology!

Phil Skayhan · Post by **Phil Skayhan** » 2003-10-13 10:40pm

RedImperator wrote:I'd be interested to see someone chart population growth against quality of schools statewide.

Here you go

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-10-14 02:03am

Very interesting. I didn't have time to make a graph, but here's a list of states ordered by population growth, with their education ranking next to them. The bottom ten states for education have been bolded in red. The top ten have been bolded in green.

1. Nevada-49
2. Arizona-45
3. Colorado-35
4. Utah-25
5. Idaho-30
6. Georgia-36
7. Florida-40
8. Texas-34
9. North Carolina-21
10. Washington-33
11. Oregon-32
12. New Mexico-50
13. Delaware-19
14. Tennessee-42
15. South Carolina-41
16. Alaska-23
17. Virginia-17
18. California-44
19. Arkansas-38
20. Montana-4
21. Minnesota-12
22. New Hampshire-26
23. Maryland-18
24. Mississippi-48
25. Alabama-46
26. Oklahoma-39
27. Indiana-13
28. Kentucky-37
29. Wisconsin-8/9
30. Missouri-28
31. Hawaii-43
32. Wyoming-14
33. New Jersey-5
34. Illinois-27
35. Kansas-15
36. South Dakota-31
37. Nebraska-11
38. Vermont-2
39. Michigan-20
40. Louisiana-47
41. Massachusetts-1
42. New York-10
43. Iowa-8/9
44. Ohio-22
45. Rhode Island-16
46. Maine-6
47. Connecticut-3
48. Pennsylvania-7
49. West Virginia-29
50. North Dakota-24

Even just looking at which end of the list at which the colors fall shows a correlation. For the first time, I wish I was still in stat class so I had access to the programs that could crunch these numbers a little better. Still, it seems my theory about a correlation between population growth and quality of schools seems at least partly correct.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-10-14 03:02am

Does that mean that only morons move to Nevada?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-10-14 12:19pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Does that mean that only morons move to Nevada?

Not at all. Remember how the school systems were graded--per pupil spending and class size were important factors. If you've got a state population that's growing faster than the state education budget, class sizes are going to increase and per pupil spending will fall, even if you're actually increasing the education budget every year. Remember that developers can build houses for new residents faster than school districts can raise the money to expand their staffs and build bigger buildings.

It's obviously not the only factor--Louisiana is in the bottom ten for population growth AND quality of schools--but I think that could be one of the major reasons why Sun Belt states tended to score lower than Northeastern states.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-14 01:41pm

12. New Mexico-50

Believe it or not.. That kind of surprises me.. I expected NM to be more in the mid-region..

~ver

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-10-14 02:09pm

RedImperator wrote:It's obviously not the only factor--Louisiana is in the bottom ten for population growth AND quality of schools--but I think that could be one of the major reasons why Sun Belt states tended to score lower than Northeastern states.

Louisiana is ranked as it is because it's filled with dumbshits.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-10-14 07:33pm

RedImperator wrote:Not at all. Remember how the school systems were graded--per pupil spending and class size were important factors. If you've got a state population that's growing faster than the state education budget, class sizes are going to increase and per pupil spending will fall, even if you're actually increasing the education budget every year. Remember that developers can build houses for new residents faster than school districts can raise the money to expand their staffs and build bigger buildings.

It's obviously not the only factor--Louisiana is in the bottom ten for population growth AND quality of schools--but I think that could be one of the major reasons why Sun Belt states tended to score lower than Northeastern states.

Actually, I was trying to make a joke, but but I phrased it badly. I should have said "Does that mean you'd have to be a moron to move to Nevada?

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