Gil Hamilton wrote:Huh, Shep. You're idea of refutting something is to quote one line of a two paragraph, only address half of the line, and then say you are drowning in bullshit? That's impressive. I... I am in awe.
You ramble on and on about poverty being the cause of
Islamic hatred of the rich west, and the "non existent threat"
of muslims who live in western society.
And at the time I replied, I was at a uni computer, and didn't really feel like
hunting down links to refute your bullshit on a super slow Pentium 60 MhZ.
http://watch.windsofchange.net/themes_68.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 0T0650.DTL
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0630/p09s ... ottomStory
http://www.partisanreview.org/archive/2002/3/bawer.html
Then, in September 2001 (only five days, in fact, before the destruction of the World Trade Center), the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by "non-Western" immigrants–a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims.
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewish ... s_Jews.asp
More than a quarter of the Jews in France are considering leaving in the wake of the serious attacks targeting the country's Jewish community.
Nathalie Soussan loves her native France but thinks she may have
to build a life elsewhere.
At 21 she is an intern for the French House at Columbia University in NY City, and says she is afraid to return to France because of the pervasive acceptance of anti-Semitism and violence against Jews in her country. Soussan is Jewish.
There are about 5 million Muslims and 650,000 Jews in France, the largest number for both communities in Europe. Most of the attacks on Jews occur in Paris suburbs and other neighborhoods where Jews and Muslims live in close proximity.
"Since the French, Jewish and Muslim communities are both the largest, it is not surprising that misinformation and lack of education can lead to anti-Semitic hate crimes in France," Laila Al-Qatami, spokesperson for the American-Arab Anti- Discrimination League, said in a recent e-mail. "As documented by the recent national report on hate crimes in France, these quadrupled in 2002, with over half the attacks aimed at Jews."
The outbreak of the Palestinian Intifada on September 28, 2000 sparked a wave of Middle East related anti-Semitic incidents worldwide, with the largest number of European anti-Semitic attacks occurring in France: 1,300 recorded since 2001, the highest level since World War II, according to the Wiesenthal Center.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/625767/posts
CRÉTEIL, France – The call came in the middle of the night. When Rahamim Oliel picked up the phone, he learned that the Ozar Hatorah school he directed – the Jewish place of learning he had cherished for 28 years – had been set ablaze.
That same night, vandals tried to deface the only synagogue in Créteil, a grim suburb just south of Paris where the city blocks are studded with cheerless, socialist- style apartment complexes.
Despondent, Mr. Oliel, a small man who wears the black hat and long beard associated with conservative Jews, said he realized then that a climate of open anti- Semitism had returned to France six decades after the Nazi horror.
"I couldn't believe it when I came and found the fire roaring," he said, surveying severe damage to several classrooms at one of the school's two buildings. "I saw this school grow from 14 students when I came in 1973 to more than 1,100 students. So you can imagine what it did to me to see it on fire. I can't even begin to tell you how I feel."
The incidents in Créteil on the last day of 2001 were not isolated events. The vicious conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians in the Middle East has apparently had a startling spillover effect in France, where officials report a sharp rise in the number of attacks on Jewish schools, synagogues and rabbis.
The Jewish community has been shaken to its core by the violence, which Jewish leaders blame on France's burgeoning population of Arab immigrants from North Africa who are angry about Israel's harsh treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Anti-Semitic acts in France were extremely rare during the 1990s – a period of relative calm in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza – but have become commonplace as Israeli-Palestinian violence has intensified with the breakdown of the Middle East peace process, figures from the National Human Rights Commission show. In 1998, one serious anti-Semitic attack was reported in France; in 1999, there were nine such attacks. But in 2000, the commission reported, there were 116 serious acts of violence against Jewish institutions, almost all of them taking place after the Palestinian uprising began in October of that year. This ripple effect can be felt in dozens of towns and cities where Jewish facilities have been hit by Molotov cocktails in the middle of the night. Most perpetrators have escaped. The case in Créteil is unusual only because three men – an African from Mali, a French citizen of North African origin, and another man born in France – were arrested at the scene.
Jewish schools have been burned in Marseille, the synagogue in Goussainville has been firebombed – along with many others – and Jewish-owned businesses have been defaced with racist graffiti in most major French cities.
In October, arsonists burned part of a Jewish elementary school in southern France and left graffiti that read "Death to the Jews" and "Bin Laden Will Conquer," slogans often found in the West Bank and Gaza Strip but rare in France.
As for Britain:
http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=3735
Ban of four muslim groups
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 4.xml&sShe et=/portal/2002/08/14/ixport.html
Muslim radicals in Britain issue 'holy war' warning
By Anton La Guardia Diplomatic Editor
(Filed: 14/08/2002)
Radical Islamic leaders in London issued a thinly-
veiled threat yesterday that the United States and Britain could face a terrorist onslaught akin to the September 11 attacks if they go to war on Iraq.
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, a preacher from north London, said he and other radicals would issue a fatwa, or religious edict, telling Muslims how to respond to the "evil" of an attack.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/844726/posts
LONDON (AP) - Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network has a "substantial presence" in Britain, the head of London's Metropolitan Police said Sunday. John Stevens said it was difficult to know how many al-Qaida cells were active in Britain. "But we do know there is a substantial presence, and we are taking action," he told the British Broadcasting Corp.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0805/p01s03-wogi.html
LONDON – In the leafy northern suburb of Hendon, a small group at the community center listens to a young man in track pants and sneakers. The charismatic speaker, Mohammed Sultan, the son of immigrants from India and a former student in business information technology, is a regional leader of al Muhajiroun, a radical youth movement based in Britain.
Speaking in staccato tones and gesticulating sharply, he calls for support of jihad to liberate the children of Iraq, Palestine, and Afghanistan.
"The US wants to control everyone," Mr.Sultan says to the muscular young men leaning forward in their seats, and veiled women along the back wall. "But the US can't stop us. Islam will one day dominate the world."
Sultan is part of a growing number of Muslim radicals who find Britain, with its liberal immigration laws and tradition of free speech, to be a comfortable base for their jihad against the West. Scotland Yard estimates that some 3,000 Muslim Britons have joined Al Qaeda forces in Afgahnistan, just as thousands before joined their Muslim brothers in Bosnia, Kashmir, the Palestinian territory, and Chechnya.
Many of these recruits are suspected to have come through youth movements such as al Muhajiroun or attended radical mosques here – such as the one in Finsbury Park, presided over by Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri.
Richard Reid, the "shoe bomber" who tried to blow up a passenger flight last December, studied in Finsbury Park and frequented al Muhajiroun meetings. So, too, did James Ujaama, a convert to Islam who is today one of the seven British citizens being held by the US in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
The "20th hijacker," Algerian-born Zacharias Moussaoui, chose a mosque in Brixton, in south London, to do his studying, turning for instruction to another firebrand imam, Sheikh Omah Abu Omar "Abu Qatada," nicknamed "bin Laden's ambassador to Europe."
"He was clearly brainwashed by clerics in London," Mr. Moussaoui's distraught mother told reporters last week. Moussaoui is scheduled to go to trial Sept. 30 in a federal court.
Over the past 20 years, say experts, Britain has become a headquarters for extremist Muslim clerics and a fertile recruitment ground for new followers. Fiery dissidents from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia are drawn here by the generous asylum and immigration laws, and the traditions of free speech and "watchful tolerance" of troublemakers – policies which remain basically intact even after enactment of new antiterrorism laws last year.
Further, Britain, like the rest of the EU, refuses to extradite suspects to countries that have the death penalty. Abu Hamza has been condemned to death by the Yemeni government for his alleged role in terror attacks there. Abu Qatada was given a life sentence by Jordan for his part in a series of explosions.
"England is the capital of the Islamic world," says Sheikh Abu Bakri Mohammad, the Syrian asylum- seeker who founded al Muhajiroun in 1986. "Trafalgar Square has become our Mecca."
Since Sept. 11, al Muhajiroun's recruitment drive has flourished, say movement leaders. "We get seven to eight recruits, or converts a day," Abu Bakri insists.
Most of Britain's 1.5 million Muslims have nothing to do with these radical elements. "This is a fringe community," says Abdel Bari Atwan, editor of Al Quds, an influential Arabic-language daily. "The majority of us would like to integrate and live in peace with other communities. But this [radical] voice does exist, and it is calling out to our youth."
"The extremists would love us to believe there is an unstoppable radical Muslim insurgency going on, and they are in the vanguard. But this is not totally accurate," says Prof. Paul Wilkinson, director of the center for study of terrorism and political violence at the University of Saint Andrews in Scotland. He adds that most groups attract small numbers and are more about rhetoric then action – but nonetheless says they should be watched carefully.
Indeed, Scotland Yard suggests that as part of their advanced training, some al Muhajiroun followers are being sent to "terrorist" camps in Oregon and Alabama. Abu Bakri admits that people from a group called Sekina Securities did come to teach al Muhajiroun youth martial arts and hand to hand combat in recent months, and that "maybe" there was an AK-47 assembling class in the basement of the Finsbury Mosque.
Sekina Securities' website, however – which was taken down by British police after Sept. 11 – used to offer "serious firearms training" at gun ranges in the US and a two-week course called "ultimate jihad challenge" that featured "art of bone breaking" and ways to "improve explosive devices."
Most of the al Muhajiroun recruits are children of immigrants, whose parents came here in the 1960s to make money. The older generation worked in textile mills, factories, and post offices, and drove buses – eking out a living, never really learning the language, and yet trying their hardest to meld.
The second generation grew up confused. "We were lured by the secular non-Muslim world, but we were always outsiders. While our parents wanted us to remain traditional ... we had no depth of knowledge about our religion," says Anjem Choudry, a second- generation Pakistani immigrant who practiced law before his introduction to al Muhajiroun several years ago. "Then some of us found the true way."
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This is very interesting. You have a clear split in the responsibilities of Islam. You've got
the morons who make up the footsoldiers of Jihad, Inc. in France, running around and fucking
with the Jews, and torching synagogues, while the more learned people, the upper management of Jihad, Inc. sit in Britain and use the freedoms they have in Britain to
launch Jihad against the West, and the British by dint of their laws, and legal traditions
can't do much.
