...In the context of the Libyan searches. You are insisting this is the same context as the Iraq searches. You have no evidence, at all, of this. Please learn to debate honestly.
In the context of any search. If you want evidence of that, look at the substance of statements made by those in Iraq.
Officials responsible for early search efforts announced failure because they had searched "every bunker and ammunition depot from the border to Baghdad". Kay himself didn't even visit all the official sites where we suspected weapons production or storage.
...In the context of the Libyan searches. You are insisting this is the same context as the Iraq searches. You have no evidence, at all, of this. Please learn to debate honestly.
In the context of any search. If you want evidence of that, look at the substance of statements made by those in Iraq.
What, like 'There's nothing here, there is no evidence anything was'?
Officials responsible for early search efforts announced failure because they had searched "every bunker and ammunition depot from the border to Baghdad". Kay himself didn't even visit all the official sites where we suspected weapons production or storage.
So your evidence is.. Nothing except conjecture and assumption. As usual.
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My evidence is that an American weapons inspector clearly stated that residential locations were not places he would have looked for WMD.
As a weapons inspector, he is alike to others of his field. We must assume that he is reasonably in touch with the whole of his professional circle, and follows similar patterns on the job.
Axis Kast wrote:My evidence is that an American weapons inspector clearly stated that residential locations were not places he would have looked for WMD.
Which doesn't change the simple fact that we haven't found anything after occupying the country for almost an entire fucking year with unrestricted access.
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Axis Kast wrote:My evidence is that an American weapons inspector clearly stated that residential locations were not places he would have looked for WMD.
We found Saddam Hussain in a residential location and he was one man. You are asking us to believe that they have hidden entire programs of WMD's which include scientists, manufacturers and materials without anyone finding a trace of them after a year of occupation. Sorry, but if even George Bush and his cronies have given up and you have no evidence except for saying that it is impossible to prove that they didn't have them, then you've got nothing.
Which doesn't change the simple fact that we haven't found anything after occupying the country for almost an entire fucking year with unrestricted access.
"Unrestricted access" means very little if proper advanges aren't pressed.
We were technically given free range over all of Libya - and yet our inspectors were still admitting: "We'd never have looked in these kinds of locations if not for being led straight here."
We found Saddam Hussain in a residential location and he was one man. You are asking us to believe that they have hidden entire programs of WMD's which include scientists, manufacturers and materials without anyone finding a trace of them after a year of occupation. Sorry, but if even George Bush and his cronies have given up and you have no evidence except for saying that it is impossible to prove that they didn't have them, then you've got nothing.
Axis Kast wrote:
Stockpiles. We already know he had programs.
Don't play word games; we know he had programs BEFORE Desert Storm, not recently. If he HAD any WMD programs since the early 90's, we would have found personal that worked on them as well as material. We've found neither.
Don't play word games; we know he had programs BEFORE Desert Storm, not recently. If he HAD any WMD programs since the early 90's, we would have found personal that worked on them as well as material. We've found neither.
No. We know that Saddam had people tasked with producing materials, of which they turned out a relative pittance by comparison with what was anticipated.
He had WMD programs. Kay proved as much. This is not in dispute. Whether they turned out anything of value or went much beyond the planning stages is another question.
Axis Kast wrote:
No. We know that Saddam had people tasked with producing materials, of which they turned out a relative pittance by comparison with what was anticipated.
Kay never said anything of the sort, nor did he say that Iraq "turned out" anything at all.
He had WMD programs. Kay proved as much. This is not in dispute.
Again, Kay never said Iraq had 'WMD programs', nor did he prove that (unless you think research into a common Middle Eastern disease meets that criteria ).
Axis Kast wrote:
We were technically given free range over all of Libya - and yet our inspectors were still admitting: "We'd never have looked in these kinds of locations if not for being led straight here."
There's absolutely zero similarity between Libya opening it's doors and showing a few officials "here's our WMD related material" and the extensive, practically decade long efforts in Iraq, and that you stretchhhhhhhhhhh to grab some off the cuff comment by someone you fancifully call an 'inspector' who's been there for a few damn days as some sort of vindication truly shows how desperate you are to salvage some semblance of legitimacy for a point of view long since dead and buried.
We know that Saddam was under the impression that programs were ongoing.
He was pumping money to subordinates charged with producting weapons of mass destruction.
As for the "decades-long" efforts in Iraq, the timeframe in and of itself can be deceptive, depending on the kinds of places to which we devoted our attention. Not to mention that there were huge gaps between searches.
Axis Kast wrote:We know that Saddam was under the impression that programs were ongoing.
Which means exactly dick compared to the reality of those programmes not actually being active.
He was pumping money to subordinates charged with producting weapons of mass destruction.
Which means exactly dick compared to the reality that no WMDs were actually being produced.
As for the "decades-long" efforts in Iraq, the timeframe in and of itself can be deceptive, depending on the kinds of places to which we devoted our attention. Not to mention that there were huge gaps between searches.
Which means exactly dick compared to the inconvenient reality (for people like you, that is) that the results of every search conducted pre- and post-war actually corroborate one another. No WMDs. No threat. No justification for war.
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Which doesn't change the simple fact that we haven't found anything after occupying the country for almost an entire fucking year with unrestricted access.
"Unrestricted access" means very little if proper advanges aren't pressed.
Advantages? You mean like HAVING UN-FUCKING-RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY?
We were technically given free range over all of Libya - and yet our inspectors were still admitting: "We'd never have looked in these kinds of locations if not for being led straight here."
You're right. Absence of evidence is evidence of existence.
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