Yes. It was the emails. Not the built-up 30 years' worth of mindless Clinton-hatred built up by the Republican establishment and hung out to fly ever since.Solauren wrote:The election really came down to this:
Trump is facing lawsuits based on his businesses, but he wasn't investigated by the FBI. Yeah, women saying he was sexually inappropriate with them means he's an asshole.
Clinton was facing possible criminal charges for stuff she did in office.
If not for the email scandal, Clinton might have won.
The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
The median wage for Americans today is less than what it was in 1999. I'm pretty sure that includes "every woman and minority in America" you jackass.The Romulan Republic wrote:Yeah, because blocking a couple of trade deals is more important than the basic equality, dignity, and civil liberties of every woman and minority in America, more important than our democratic institutions and the rule of law.
People like you are the problem, Crown.
This epitomises how the left is losing its fucking its traditional voter base; it's about the economy stupid.
Oh and the GOD EMPEROR gained minorities and women vis-a-vis Romney (sauce). So deflate your narrative.
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Their is no reason to believe that Clinton would have faced criminal charges, though if Trump keeps his word, she will likely face a kangaroo court now. The vaunted new emails that surfaced just before the election turned out to be absolutely nothing.Solauren wrote:The election really came down to this:
Trump is facing lawsuits based on his businesses, but he wasn't investigated by the FBI. Yeah, women saying he was sexually inappropriate with them means he's an asshole.
Clinton was facing possible criminal charges for stuff she did in office.
If not for the email scandal, Clinton might have won.
She was investigated, and cleared, again and again.
We condemned someone on suspicion and rumour, and in doing so condemned our country.
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If people choose to put their pocket book over basic civil liberties, that hardly speaks well of them.Crown wrote:The median wage for Americans today is less than what it was in 1999. I'm pretty sure that includes "every woman and minority in America" you jackass.The Romulan Republic wrote:Yeah, because blocking a couple of trade deals is more important than the basic equality, dignity, and civil liberties of every woman and minority in America, more important than our democratic institutions and the rule of law.
People like you are the problem, Crown.
This epitomises how the left is losing its fucking its traditional voter base; it's about the economy stupid.
Oh and the GOD EMPEROR gained minorities and women vis-a-vis Romney (sauce). So deflate your narrative.
Not that Trump will do a God damn thing to help the working class.
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver
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To be entirely fair, the emails and Benghazi are the crown jewels of that smear campaign. Without them they'd be flogging on the deal with Bill and Lewinski and claiming that Hillary murdered Vince Foster. And even then they'd mostly be reduced to "But she's a crook and a liar" without having anything remotely substantial to point to.Elheru Aran wrote:Yes. It was the emails. Not the built-up 30 years' worth of mindless Clinton-hatred built up by the Republican establishment and hung out to fly ever since.Solauren wrote:The election really came down to this:
Trump is facing lawsuits based on his businesses, but he wasn't investigated by the FBI. Yeah, women saying he was sexually inappropriate with them means he's an asshole.
Clinton was facing possible criminal charges for stuff she did in office.
If not for the email scandal, Clinton might have won.
They were still a farce of course, but they were recent ones.
Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Feels vs Reals.The Romulan Republic wrote:If people choose to put their pocket book over basic civil liberties, that hardly speaks well of them.Crown wrote:The median wage for Americans today is less than what it was in 1999. I'm pretty sure that includes "every woman and minority in America" you jackass.
This epitomises how the left is losing its fucking its traditional voter base; it's about the economy stupid.
Oh and the GOD EMPEROR gained minorities and women vis-a-vis Romney (sauce). So deflate your narrative.
If you continue to fuck over a large segment of your voter base economically; they will rebel when they see an opportunity to do so.
Would Hillary have?The Romulan Republic wrote:Not that Trump will do a God damn thing to help the working class.
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That's a fair enough point, but the fact is the right wing seriously had a massive hate-on for the Clintons from the start, and the latest events only built on that. And by repeating all the myths and lies about the Clintons, taking advantage of public ignorance to make up stories that sounded vaguely plausible (the Clintons take money from the Saudis via the Clinton Foundation therefore she can't be trusted! etc), they've blackened her reputation permanently even among non-Republicans who aren't smart enough to do their own research. Sort of a guilt-by-association thing.... 'well if they keep saying all this stuff about her there MUST be something to it'.Imperial528 wrote:To be entirely fair, the emails and Benghazi are the crown jewels of that smear campaign. Without them they'd be flogging on the deal with Bill and Lewinski and claiming that Hillary murdered Vince Foster. And even then they'd mostly be reduced to "But she's a crook and a liar" without having anything remotely substantial to point to.Elheru Aran wrote:Yes. It was the emails. Not the built-up 30 years' worth of mindless Clinton-hatred built up by the Republican establishment and hung out to fly ever since.Solauren wrote:The election really came down to this:
Trump is facing lawsuits based on his businesses, but he wasn't investigated by the FBI. Yeah, women saying he was sexually inappropriate with them means he's an asshole.
Clinton was facing possible criminal charges for stuff she did in office.
If not for the email scandal, Clinton might have won.
They were still a farce of course, but they were recent ones.
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Relative to Romney, Trump was -1 with whites, +2 with blacks, +2 with hispanics, +3 with asians, -1 with everyone else.
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Hang on a second. Trump's numbers with minorities *improved*?The Vortex Empire wrote:Relative to Romney, Trump was -1 with whites, +2 with blacks, +2 with hispanics, +3 with asians, -1 with everyone else.
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Would Hillary have?[/quote]The Romulan Republic wrote:Not that Trump will do a God damn thing to help the working class.
Nope.
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More than Fuhrer Pussygrabber will, anyway.Crown wrote:Feels vs Reals.The Romulan Republic wrote:If people choose to put their pocket book over basic civil liberties, that hardly speaks well of them.Crown wrote:The median wage for Americans today is less than what it was in 1999. I'm pretty sure that includes "every woman and minority in America" you jackass.
This epitomises how the left is losing its fucking its traditional voter base; it's about the economy stupid.
Oh and the GOD EMPEROR gained minorities and women vis-a-vis Romney (sauce). So deflate your narrative.
If you continue to fuck over a large segment of your voter base economically; they will rebel when they see an opportunity to do so.
Would Hillary have?The Romulan Republic wrote:Not that Trump will do a God damn thing to help the working class.
The Democrats may be pro-trade, but they are not actively hostile to anything (like minimum wage increases, public health care, and tuition free college) that will help the poor.
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.
I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.
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Nope.[/quote]Dominus Atheos wrote:Would Hillary have?The Romulan Republic wrote:Not that Trump will do a God damn thing to help the working class.
Ah, the false equivalency narrative. I'm sure that played a big role in last night's result.
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.
I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Nice, so no argument that it's a rational approach to a problem that Clinton ignored? Because that's the core of the problem, it's not spreading because it's mad, it's spreading because leaders aren't adequately dealing with the problem's stemming from immigration and trade. Immigration is normally irrelevant when times are good, but if jobs start being lost then it's a simple calculation to note that every extra available worker (immigrants are an easy target) means one less available job. Rightly or wrongly the people that turned out for Trump see immigration and trade trends as contrary to their interests. At one point leaders knew how to set up government policy so that Trade and Immigration were still balanced out making the whole thing a Pareto efficient exchange, but if none of that's making its way to the disaffected voters, then you get results like last night.Chimaera wrote:
Please. I'm more than aware of the reasons why Trump has been elected (though not, I might point out, by popular vote at the time of writing). It doesn't make it any less farcical.
link White (High School educated at most) death rates started climbing all the way back in 1999, looking at that chart, it seems to me like complacency is the insane choice.
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Why are you surprised?Elheru Aran wrote:Hang on a second. Trump's numbers with minorities *improved*?The Vortex Empire wrote:Relative to Romney, Trump was -1 with whites, +2 with blacks, +2 with hispanics, +3 with asians, -1 with everyone else.
The GOD EMPEROR got the media (who were donating to Hillary and in bed with her politically in order to destroy him) to pay for his campaign, and it shocks you that he could pick up votes from minorities?
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Based on what?The Romulan Republic wrote:More than Fuhrer Pussygrabber will, anyway.Crown wrote:Would Hillary have?
Which is why they export American jobs (passing NAFTA), failed to pass public health care (when Obama had both the senate and house in his first term) and have helped poor communities by helping drive up student loans and contributed to the housing bubble with the HUD policy ... riiiiiiight.The Romulan Republic wrote:The Democrats may be pro-trade, but they are not actively hostile to anything (like minimum wage increases, public health care, and tuition free college) that will help the poor.
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
So yeah...we have a racist, kidfucking, rapist billionaire at the head of the most powerful country in the world...put there by the will of the people. That's the part that's so stunning to me...we...wanted him to win....or (maybe) the normies stayed home thinking that there weren't enough brown-people hating weirdos out there to get him into the white house. This doesn't feel real.
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Wow. Americans are dumb. Mass sterilization for all!
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Basically my assessment is that Clinton was doing so well in the polls, with an uptick on Election Day itself, that people who were planning on voting for her became complacent and stayed home. That's the only way the polls and end result makes sense short of Russian hackers (Trump and Putin are masturbation buddies) and without evidence of that happening I have to discount it.
In any case, Americans are fucking stupid.
In any case, Americans are fucking stupid.
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Bill can't run again dude, take deep breaths.Chardok wrote:So yeah...we have a racist, kidfucking, rapist billionaire at the head of the most powerful country in the world...put there by the will of the people. That's the part that's so stunning to me...we...wanted him to win....or (maybe) the normies stayed home thinking that there weren't enough brown-people hating weirdos out there to get him into the white house. This doesn't feel real.
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Or the polls were wrong.Flagg wrote:Basically my assessment is that Clinton was doing so well in the polls, with an uptick on Election Day itself, that people who were planning on voting for her became complacent and stayed home. That's the only way the polls and end result makes sense short of Russian hackers (Trump and Putin are masturbation buddies) and without evidence of that happening I have to discount it.
In any case, Americans are fucking stupid.
You know, which ever is more likely.
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Yeah, the emails were bullshit. And anyone who voted for a tax evading pedophile rapist who shows clear signs of being a goddamned psychopath over Clinton because of scandals that exist only in Rethuglican fever dreams should have their mobile homes seized.Elheru Aran wrote:Yes. It was the emails. Not the built-up 30 years' worth of mindless Clinton-hatred built up by the Republican establishment and hung out to fly ever since.Solauren wrote:The election really came down to this:
Trump is facing lawsuits based on his businesses, but he wasn't investigated by the FBI. Yeah, women saying he was sexually inappropriate with them means he's an asshole.
Clinton was facing possible criminal charges for stuff she did in office.
If not for the email scandal, Clinton might have won.
We pissing our pants yet?
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Yeah, I'm sure every poll was wrong. It was all a conspiracy! Are you a truther and anti-vaxxer, too you fucking idiot?Crown wrote:Or the polls were wrong.Flagg wrote:Basically my assessment is that Clinton was doing so well in the polls, with an uptick on Election Day itself, that people who were planning on voting for her became complacent and stayed home. That's the only way the polls and end result makes sense short of Russian hackers (Trump and Putin are masturbation buddies) and without evidence of that happening I have to discount it.
In any case, Americans are fucking stupid.
You know, which ever is more likely.
We pissing our pants yet?
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Bill Clinton isn't a billionaire, racist, or kidfucker. Stop projecting.Crown wrote:Bill can't run again dude, take deep breaths.Chardok wrote:So yeah...we have a racist, kidfucking, rapist billionaire at the head of the most powerful country in the world...put there by the will of the people. That's the part that's so stunning to me...we...wanted him to win....or (maybe) the normies stayed home thinking that there weren't enough brown-people hating weirdos out there to get him into the white house. This doesn't feel real.
We pissing our pants yet?
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
The polls could be wrong because the methodology was faulty, no?Flagg wrote:Yeah, I'm sure every poll was wrong. It was all a conspiracy! Are you a truther and anti-vaxxer, too you fucking idiot?Crown wrote:Or the polls were wrong.
You know, which ever is more likely.
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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part IV)
Flagg wrote:Bill Clinton isn't a billionaire, racist, or kidfucker. Stop projecting.Crown wrote:Bill can't run again dude, take deep breaths.
I think he was joking?