Mother Teresa letters found.

[Invictus ChiKen]

Looks like she died an ubeliever

Mother Teresa had a calling, she told CBS News in a rare interview, based on unquestioned faith.

"They are all children of God, loved and created by the same heart of God."

But now, it emerges that Mother Teresa was so doubtful of her own faith that she feared she was being a hypocrite, reports CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips. In a new book that compiles letters she wrote to friends, superiors and confessors, her doubts are obvious.

Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit leaves her.

"Where is my faith?" she writes. "Even deep down … there is nothing but emptiness and darkness. ... If there be God — please forgive me."





Eight years later, she's still looking for the belief she's lost.

"Such deep longing for God," she writes. "… repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal."

As her fame increased, her faith refused to return. Her smile, she says, is a mask.

"What do I labor for?" she asks. "If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true."

"These are letters that were kept in the archbishop's house," says the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk.

The letters were gathered by Rev. Kolodiejchuk, the priest who's making the case to the Vatican for Mother Teresa's proposed sainthood. He says her obvious spiritual torment actually helps her cause.

"Now we have this new understanding, this new window into her interior life, and for me this seems to be the most heroic," says Rev. Kolodiejchuk.

According to her letters, Mother Teresa died with her doubts. She had even stopped praying, she once said.

The church decided to keep her letters, even though one of her dying wishes was that they be destroyed. Perhaps now we know why.

Copyright 2006, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Oh I'm gonna Loooooooooooooove hearing about this...

[Surlethe]

Here's Time's take:

On Dec. 11, 1979, Mother Teresa, the "Saint of the Gutters," went to Oslo. Dressed in her signature blue-bordered sari and shod in sandals despite below-zero temperatures, the former Agnes Bojaxhiu received that ultimate worldly accolade, the Nobel Peace Prize. In her acceptance lecture, Teresa, whose Missionaries of Charity had grown from a one-woman folly in Calcutta in 1948 into a global beacon of self-abnegating care, delivered the kind of message the world had come to expect from her. "It is not enough for us to say, 'I love God, but I do not love my neighbor,'" she said, since in dying on the Cross, God had "[made] himself the hungry one — the naked one — the homeless one." Jesus' hunger, she said, is what "you and I must find" and alleviate. She condemned abortion and bemoaned youthful drug addiction in the West. Finally, she suggested that the upcoming Christmas holiday should remind the world "that radiating joy is real" because Christ is everywhere — "Christ in our hearts, Christ in the poor we meet, Christ in the smile we give and in the smile that we receive."

Yet less than three months earlier, in a letter to a spiritual confidant, the Rev. Michael van der Peet, that is only now being made public, she wrote with weary familiarity of a different Christ, an absent one. "Jesus has a very special love for you," she assured Van der Peet. "[But] as for me, the silence and the emptiness is so great, that I look and do not see, — Listen and do not hear — the tongue moves [in prayer] but does not speak ... I want you to pray for me — that I let Him have [a] free hand."

The two statements, 11 weeks apart, are extravagantly dissonant. The first is typical of the woman the world thought it knew. The second sounds as though it had wandered in from some 1950s existentialist drama. Together they suggest a startling portrait in self-contradiction — that one of the great human icons of the past 100 years, whose remarkable deeds seemed inextricably connected to her closeness to God and who was routinely observed in silent and seemingly peaceful prayer by her associates as well as the television camera, was living out a very different spiritual reality privately, an arid landscape from which the deity had disappeared.

And in fact, that appears to be the case. A new, innocuously titled book, Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light (Doubleday), consisting primarily of correspondence between Teresa and her confessors and superiors over a period of 66 years, provides the spiritual counterpoint to a life known mostly through its works. The letters, many of them preserved against her wishes (she had requested that they be destroyed but was overruled by her church), reveal that for the last nearly half-century of her life she felt no presence of God whatsoever — or, as the book's compiler and editor, the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk, writes, "neither in her heart or in the eucharist."

That absence seems to have started at almost precisely the time she began tending the poor and dying in Calcutta, and — except for a five-week break in 1959 — never abated. Although perpetually cheery in public, the Teresa of the letters lived in a state of deep and abiding spiritual pain. In more than 40 communications, many of which have never before been published, she bemoans the "dryness," "darkness," "loneliness" and "torture" she is undergoing. She compares the experience to hell and at one point says it has driven her to doubt the existence of heaven and even of God. She is acutely aware of the discrepancy between her inner state and her public demeanor. "The smile," she writes, is "a mask" or "a cloak that covers everything." Similarly, she wonders whether she is engaged in verbal deception. "I spoke as if my very heart was in love with God — tender, personal love," she remarks to an adviser. "If you were [there], you would have said, 'What hypocrisy.'" Says the Rev. James Martin, an editor at the Jesuit magazine America and the author of My Life with the Saints, a book that dealt with far briefer reports in 2003 of Teresa's doubts: "I've never read a saint's life where the saint has such an intense spiritual darkness. No one knew she was that tormented." Recalls Kolodiejchuk, Come Be My Light's editor: "I read one letter to the Sisters [of Teresa's Missionaries of Charity], and their mouths just dropped open. It will give a whole new dimension to the way people understand her."

The book is hardly the work of some antireligious investigative reporter who Dumpster-dived for Teresa's correspondence. Kolodiejchuk, a senior Missionaries of Charity member, is her postulator, responsible for petitioning for her sainthood and collecting the supporting materials. (Thus far she has been beatified; the next step is canonization.) The letters in the book were gathered as part of that process.

The church anticipates spiritually fallow periods. Indeed, the Spanish mystic St. John of the Cross in the 16th century coined the term the "dark night" of the soul to describe a characteristic stage in the growth of some spiritual masters. Teresa's may be the most extensive such case on record. (The "dark night" of the 18th century mystic St. Paul of the Cross lasted 45 years; he ultimately recovered.) Yet Kolodiejchuk sees it in St. John's context, as darkness within faith. Teresa found ways, starting in the early 1960s, to live with it and abandoned neither her belief nor her work. Kolodiejchuk produced the book as proof of the faith-filled perseverance that he sees as her most spiritually heroic act.

Two very different Catholics predict that the book will be a landmark. The Rev. Matthew Lamb, chairman of the theology department at the conservative Ave Maria University in Florida, thinks Come Be My Light will eventually rank with St. Augustine's Confessions and Thomas Merton's The Seven Storey Mountain as an autobiography of spiritual ascent. Martin of America, a much more liberal institution, calls the book "a new ministry for Mother Teresa, a written ministry of her interior life," and says, "It may be remembered as just as important as her ministry to the poor. It would be a ministry to people who had experienced some doubt, some absence of God in their lives. And you know who that is? Everybody. Atheists, doubters, seekers, believers, everyone."

Not all atheists and doubters will agree. Both Kolodiejchuk and Martin assume that Teresa's inability to perceive Christ in her life did not mean he wasn't there. In fact, they see his absence as part of the divine gift that enabled her to do great work. But to the U.S.'s increasingly assertive cadre of atheists, that argument will seem absurd. They will see the book's Teresa more like the woman in the archetypal country-and-western song who holds a torch for her husband 30 years after he left to buy a pack of cigarettes and never returned. Says Christopher Hitchens, author of The Missionary Position, a scathing polemic on Teresa, and more recently of the atheist manifesto God Is Not Great: "She was no more exempt from the realization that religion is a human fabrication than any other person, and that her attempted cure was more and more professions of faith could only have deepened the pit that she had dug for herself." Meanwhile, some familiar with the smiling mother's extraordinary drive may diagnose her condition less as a gift of God than as a subconscious attempt at the most radical kind of humility: she punished herself with a crippling failure to counterbalance her great successes.

Come Be My Light is that rare thing, a posthumous autobiography that could cause a wholesale reconsideration of a major public figure — one way or another. It raises questions about God and faith, the engine behind great achievement, and the persistence of love, divine and human. That it does so not in any organized, intentional form but as a hodgepodge of desperate notes not intended for daylight should leave readers only more convinced that it is authentic — and that they are, somewhat shockingly, touching the true inner life of a modern saint.

Or, that's the first page of it. I can post the other five on request.

What's really depressing about that sort of crisis of faith is that you can't really reveal it to the outside world because you've built your entire life on this belief structure and the spectre of abandoning it publicly raises the prospect of everything you count on -- your family, your friends, your community, your society -- abandoning or at least distancing themselves from you in return.

[Frank Hipper]

What's really depressing about that sort of crisis of faith is that you can't really reveal it to the outside world because you've built your entire life on this belief structure and the spectre of abandoning it publicly raises the prospect of everything you count on -- your family, your friends, your community, your society -- abandoning or at least distancing themselves from you in return.

I don't know how depressed I can get over someone's distress at building their life with a house of cards as it's foundation.

[Surlethe]

I don't know how depressed I can get over someone's distress at building their life with a house of cards as it's foundation.

I meant why Mother Teresa was depressed. Anyway, the crisis arises because the person having it realizes that she's been building life on a foundation of a house of cards; most people don't realize that Christianity is not valid when they start living a Christian life. I would assume the effect of realizing this is not unlike a wife finding out that her husband of twenty years has been cheating on her for twenty-five.

[Rye]

What's really depressing about that sort of crisis of faith is that you can't really reveal it to the outside world because you've built your entire life on this belief structure and the spectre of abandoning it publicly raises the prospect of everything you count on -- your family, your friends, your community, your society -- abandoning or at least distancing themselves from you in return.

I don't know how depressed I can get over someone's distress at building their life with a house of cards as it's foundation.

A house of cards built with several wholly unverifiable parts at that, heh.

Also, you've got to love the Hitchens quote, he's just great. I must admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the article was religious apologists explaining the evil she did in the context of her lack of belief and the good side of her as representative of the good religion can bring about in the world if only people would go through the motions.

[Darth Mortis]

This impresses me all the more actually. I mean she was human after all, wondering if god indeed even existed. However, despite the flaw of needing god as a crutch, she still helped people every day of her life with no expectations of a return of the "favor". If most of us were even 10% like this woman, the world would be a better place instead of the shithole we have made it today. Hell how many of you even know your neighbors, much less would help them if you drove by them and they has a flat tire? I'm sure you all will chime in and say "I would" but you're full of shit.

Just my 2 cents.

[Invictus ChiKen]

Ummm you do know her method of "help" was just letting people die according to the rules of the Catholic church and not really providing medical care right?

[Oni Koneko Damien]

If most of us were even 10% like this woman, the world would be a better place instead of the shithole we have made it today.

Actually, if more of us were like her, the world would be ten times the shithole it is today.

Contrary to popular belief, Mother Teresa did *not* do a whole lot of good for people. She had good intentions, sure, but road-to-hell and all that.

-Several documents from those who worked under her attest to this. She refused, consistently, to use any sort of proper hygiene, sterilization, etc. for ailing patients, even when it was readily available.

-She refused to use any sort of anesthetics, even if they were in unbearable pain. One of her more memorable quotes came from this:

Mother Teresa: Don't worry, that pain is just the feeling of Jesus kissing you.
Patient: Then please ask him to stop kissing me.

-She stated in no uncertain terms that she believed AIDS was a punishment sent down from God and all that caught it deserved to have it.

-All that money that was donated to her charity network? It went into a bank account and sat there, doing nothing. Workers reported writing thank you letters for checks and cash from people rich and poor, numbering in the millions of dollars, and then placing it in Teresa's bank account where it did nothing. The reason why? Mother Teresa refused to use monetary donations given by others, as it showed lack of trust in God's Providence.

-Likewise there was a case of a large donation of tomatoes given to help feed the starving. There was no way her charity could get it all out at that time, so they decided to put the excess into cans to distribute as needed and stop them from going bad. Mother Teresa was livid, forbidding them from ever taking any efforts to preserve food because, again, it shows lack of trust in God's Providence.

I'll root up some sources for this when I can. But the fact is she was a dangerous, deluded woman. And if she was having a crisis of faith this entire time and *still* kept to these inhumane practices until the day she died...I have even more disdain for her.

[Rye]

This impresses me all the more actually. I mean she was human after all, wondering if god indeed even existed. However, despite the flaw of needing god as a crutch, she still helped people every day of her life with no expectations of a return of the "favor". If most of us were even 10% like this woman, the world would be a better place instead of the shithole we have made it today. Hell how many of you even know your neighbors, much less would help them if you drove by them and they has a flat tire? I'm sure you all will chime in and say "I would" but you're full of shit.

Just my 2 cents.

You're full of shit, if I recognise someone waiting for a bus I will stop and offer them a lift, and I know several of my neighbours, but further than your attack on my character, your largest amount of mental faeces is swirling around the crinkled potato visage of Mother Teresa. She was a cold hearted bitch who rerouted money for medical supplies to the vatican's pockets, as well as herd the poor into houses of the dying upon conversion and refused to let their unconverted families see them. This is a woman who said the suffering of the poor brought those around them closer to god, and did nothing of any genuine help for most people in her mockery of care. She even refused them pain medication.

[General Zod]

-All that money that was donated to her charity network? It went into a bank account and sat there, doing nothing. Workers reported writing thank you letters for checks and cash from people rich and poor, numbering in the millions of dollars, and then placing it in Teresa's bank account where it did nothing. The reason why? Mother Teresa refused to use monetary donations given by others, as it showed lack of trust in God's Providence.

Ironically, I distinctly remember one bible story about Jesus admonishing a lazy servant for not investing the dinar he had given him, where all the other servants he told to invest money had come back with even greater returns. I'll see if I can find the exact passages later.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Here's a couple...

The Happy Heretic
Judith Hayes
MARCH 1998
Defending Mother Teresa

They say that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. But when it comes to writing anything controversial, your success can probably be judged by the caliber of your critics. So I'm flattered.

On January 17, 1998, Clark Morphew, syndicated columnist for Knight-Ridder, took aim at the winter issue of Free Inquiry because of two articles it contained that were highly critical of the late Mother Teresa. One was written by Susan Shields, a former Missionaries of Charity sister who worked with Teresa. Shields revealed that part of her job was to help keep track of the millions of dollars donated to Teresa's "charity" work. Unfortunately, most of that money sat unused in various bank accounts while the sisters had to beg for food from local merchants. If the locals couldn't help out, the soup kitchens did without. This is "charity?"

The other article was written by me. I compared the late Carl Sagan's genuine, almost immeasurable contributions to humanity with Teresa's contributions. Hers consisted of little more than telling people that suffering was good for them, and prattling on inanely about how God will provide, as starving children dropped like flies all around her. I also pointed to the brazen hypocrisy of Teresa's denying her "patients" the most rudimentary care, including simple comforts and pain killers, while she herself checked into posh hospitals to have a pacemaker implanted and blood vessels cleared. Her own health and comfort were apparently quite important to her.

Morphew was obviously upset with the articles, but his defense of Teresa was surprisingly halfhearted and ambivalent. In his opening paragraph Morphew predicts that criticism of Teresa will continue until "some serious reform comes about." But if Teresa's generously financed clinics were running smoothly, honestly and compassionately, why would any reform be needed at all? Likewise, after describing Shields' knowledgeable charges about the idle millions of dollars that helped no one, Morphew suggested that since Sister Nirmala has taken the reigns, "grand changes could happen." Again, why should they, unless something was wrong to begin with?

Seeming to want it both ways, Morphew presents Teresa as "one of the most obvious candidates for sainthood," but then concedes that among Tersa's beliefs were the ideas that suffering is good and that despite staggering overpopulation, birth control is always wrong. He also noted that wiping out poverty and illiteracy was not Teresa's focus. If all of that is true, it places Teresa somewhere between sadistic and stupid. (Which, interestingly, is where "saint" appears in the dictionary.) I have never heard of a compassionate person who thought that human suffering was ever a good thing, and I think compassion would be the bare minimum to expect in anyone being considered for "sainthood."

Morphew also pointed out that Teresa "never pretended to be a doctor who could wipe out or even soften the pain of death." This I challenge fervently. So too would the Columbia University Press Encyclopedia (1995) in which they say about Teresa: "In 1948 she left the convent and founded the Missionaries of Charity, which now operates schools, hospitals, orphanages, and food centers in more than 25 countries." How would Morphew define "hospital?" There is no ambiguity whatsoever about the activities Teresa presented to the world as hers. The problem is that what she said she was doing was not what she was doing.

If Teresa was offering spiritual comfort only, and not trying to "soften the pain of death," (and why on earth not?!) there should have been no drugs dispensed and no drug paraphernalia of any kind on hand at her "clinics." But there were. Her employees and volunteers used and reused un-sterilized syringes to administer ineffective drugs and mild antibiotics to terminally ill people, who suffered the resulting agonies. This is called practicing medicine, and why such malpractice was allowed to go on so long, with no legal challenges, highlights the power, and abuse of power, that is vouchsafed to organized religions. Especially the big ones with a lot of money.

But if, as Morphew asserts, Mother Teresa never intended to offer medical care to the ill, feed the poor, or educate the illiterate, but rather planned only to offer spiritual solace to dying people, then at the very least she was a fraud. Those millions of dollars were donated by caring people to offer medical care to the ill, feed the poor, and educate the illiterate-not to sit in bank accounts earning interest for the Roman Catholic Church, which has been a multi-billion dollar enterprise for decades now. And there are laws about raising charitable contributions for one thing and then using the money for another-as Teresa did. Apparently her goal was to hoard the money, like Midas and his gold. To what end, though, is anybody's guess.

There is a disquieting possibility, however, that presents itself in hindsight. She collected her millions "in the name of God." (And then promptly hid them away like a squirrel readying for winter.) She also converted souls "in the name of God," many just before they expired. I wonder, did she keep a rough tally of those souls? What I'm getting at is I wonder if in her simplistic view of things, anything she did for God would earn her big-time Brownie Points in the afterlife. For her, perhaps, this world had no meaning whatsoever, and was just some sort of challenging religious maze, designed by God to determine who gets the best bits of Paradise. If so, it might explain, since nothing else can, how she could be so callous as to sit on her millions while children, in her own part of India, were dying of starvation. This defies rational explanation, and I challenge anyone, from Morphew to the Pope himself, to explain it.

I am also very surprised that no one came forward sooner to talk about Teresa's questionable practices-but then that's what everyone said about priests raping little boys, isn't it? The Roman Catholic Church's power is unbelievably intimidating.

Whatever the motives of the woman from Calcutta, I have seen enough human suffering in loved ones to recoil in horror at the thought of terminal, tormented people being told that their suffering is a good thing. Suffering is never a good thing-except to sadists. Especially today, when we have the capability to alleviate so much pain, the mental image of those unfortunates who ended up in a Teresa "clinic" makes me cringe with nausea.

I know I am whistling in the wind to ask this, but-When, oh when, will we stop inflicting pain on each other in the name of some God?!

© 1998 Judith Hayes

And another here, though it is *much* longer.

[Darth Mortis]

This impresses me all the more actually. I mean she was human after all, wondering if god indeed even existed. However, despite the flaw of needing god as a crutch, she still helped people every day of her life with no expectations of a return of the "favor". If most of us were even 10% like this woman, the world would be a better place instead of the shithole we have made it today. Hell how many of you even know your neighbors, much less would help them if you drove by them and they has a flat tire? I'm sure you all will chime in and say "I would" but you're full of shit.

Just my 2 cents.

You're full of shit, if I recognise someone waiting for a bus I will stop and offer them a lift, and I know several of my neighbours, but further than your attack on my character, your largest amount of mental faeces is swirling around the crinkled potato visage of Mother Teresa. She was a cold hearted bitch who rerouted money for medical supplies to the vatican's pockets, as well as herd the poor into houses of the dying upon conversion and refused to let their unconverted families see them. This is a woman who said the suffering of the poor brought those around them closer to god, and did nothing of any genuine help for most people in her mockery of care. She even refused them pain medication.

The fact that you are so upset over this makes me think YOU'RE full of shit. I'm no fan of God Wanking, Saints, and all the assorted other bullfuckery that goes along with religion, trust me. However funny that the woman had the praise of the entire world for her efforts, now understand that the cocksucking pope controlled where the money went, not her, asshole. She simply did what she was told by the Vatican you ignorant dipshit. She got millions of letters from all over the world thanking her for her kindness, how many you got butch?

[SirNitram]

The fact that you are so upset over this makes me think YOU'RE full of shit. I'm no fan of God Wanking, Saints, and all the assorted other bullfuckery that goes along with religion, trust me. However funny that the woman had the praise of the entire world for her efforts, now understand that the cocksucking pope controlled where the money went, not her, asshole. She simply did what she was told by the Vatican you ignorant dipshit. She got millions of letters from all over the world thanking her for her kindness, how many you got butch?

You will be providing evidence now, for your claims of the Vatican controlling the money.

[Darth Mortis]

Ghetto edit;

Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation that would become the Missionaries of Charity.[18] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine

^ Spink, Kathryn (1997). Mother Teresa: A Complete Authorized Biography. New York. HarperCollins, pp.284. ISBN 0-06-250825-3.


How many fucking offices have you opened up buddy?

No, let's get to the crux of the matter. The woman followed a false idol, and took direction from the most crooked organization on earth outside of the UN. However, she has directly and indirectly helped millions of people. You probably don't even call your mother enough. You're on the farm team fucking with the major leagues here son, so go get pissy somewhere else.

[Darth Mortis]

Ghetto edit;

Teresa received Vatican permission on October 7, 1950 to start the diocesan congregation that would become the Missionaries of Charity.[18] Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone." It began as a small order with 13 members in Calcutta; today it has more than 4,000 nuns running orphanages, AIDS hospices, and charity centers worldwide, and caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless, and victims of floods, epidemics, and famine

^ Spink, Kathryn (1997). Mother Teresa: A Complete Authorized Biography. New York. HarperCollins, pp.284. ISBN 0-06-250825-3.


How many fucking offices have you opened up buddy?

No, let's get to the crux of the matter. The woman followed a false idol, and took direction from the most crooked organization on earth outside of the UN. However, she has directly and indirectly helped millions of people. You probably don't even call your mother enough. You're on the farm team fucking with the major leagues here son, so go get pissy somewhere else.

Certainly, as soon as he provides evidence to the contrary as he brought up his "facts" first. Isn't that the rule of the debate? Or are you skipping him to get to me?

[DPDarkPrimus]

This impresses me all the more actually. I mean she was human after all, wondering if god indeed even existed. However, despite the flaw of needing god as a crutch, she still helped people every day of her life with no expectations of a return of the "favor". If most of us were even 10% like this woman, the world would be a better place instead of the shithole we have made it today. Hell how many of you even know your neighbors, much less would help them if you drove by them and they has a flat tire? I'm sure you all will chime in and say "I would" but you're full of shit.

Just my 2 cents.

You're full of shit, if I recognise someone waiting for a bus I will stop and offer them a lift, and I know several of my neighbours, but further than your attack on my character, your largest amount of mental faeces is swirling around the crinkled potato visage of Mother Teresa. She was a cold hearted bitch who rerouted money for medical supplies to the vatican's pockets, as well as herd the poor into houses of the dying upon conversion and refused to let their unconverted families see them. This is a woman who said the suffering of the poor brought those around them closer to god, and did nothing of any genuine help for most people in her mockery of care. She even refused them pain medication.

The fact that you are so upset over this makes me think YOU'RE full of shit. I'm no fan of God Wanking, Saints, and all the assorted other bullfuckery that goes along with religion, trust me. However funny that the woman had the praise of the entire world for her efforts, now understand that the cocksucking pope controlled where the money went, not her, asshole. She simply did what she was told by the Vatican you ignorant dipshit. She got millions of letters from all over the world thanking her for her kindness, how many you got butch?

So it's no fault of her own that she didn't speak out against the Vatican in order to see the money put towards medical care for those under her? Yeah, okay.

[Darth Mortis]

You're full of shit, if I recognise someone waiting for a bus I will stop and offer them a lift, and I know several of my neighbours, but further than your attack on my character, your largest amount of mental faeces is swirling around the crinkled potato visage of Mother Teresa. She was a cold hearted bitch who rerouted money for medical supplies to the vatican's pockets, as well as herd the poor into houses of the dying upon conversion and refused to let their unconverted families see them. This is a woman who said the suffering of the poor brought those around them closer to god, and did nothing of any genuine help for most people in her mockery of care. She even refused them pain medication.

The fact that you are so upset over this makes me think YOU'RE full of shit. I'm no fan of God Wanking, Saints, and all the assorted other bullfuckery that goes along with religion, trust me. However funny that the woman had the praise of the entire world for her efforts, now understand that the cocksucking pope controlled where the money went, not her, asshole. She simply did what she was told by the Vatican you ignorant dipshit. She got millions of letters from all over the world thanking her for her kindness, how many you got butch?

So it's no fault of her own that she didn't speak out against the Vatican in order to see the money put towards medical care for those under her? Yeah, okay.

Of course not, she was a puppet just like the rest of the zealots, no doubt. I'm not sainting her, I'm just pointing out that she had great resolve in her day to day life.

As far as I'm concerned, she was a good person who was lied and coerced into a religious life she didn't want at the end.

[General Zod]

The fact that you are so upset over this makes me think YOU'RE full of shit. I'm no fan of God Wanking, Saints, and all the assorted other bullfuckery that goes along with religion, trust me. However funny that the woman had the praise of the entire world for her efforts, now understand that the cocksucking pope controlled where the money went, not her, asshole. She simply did what she was told by the Vatican you ignorant dipshit. She got millions of letters from all over the world thanking her for her kindness, how many you got butch?

Since when is "just following orders" a valid excuse for criminal acts moron?

[Oni Koneko Damien]

No, let's get to the crux of the matter. The woman followed a false idol, and took direction from the most crooked organization on earth outside of the UN. However, she has directly and indirectly helped millions of people. You probably don't even call your mother enough. You're on the farm team fucking with the major leagues here son, so go get pissy somewhere else.

My goodness, careful not to get your nose rammed too far up her ass, you'll have trouble breathing.

Let's face it, this idol of yours was, at best, dangerously ignorant considering her fame, and at worst, a sociopath that fucked a great many people over.

It is recorded fact that Mother Teresa...

-Loved pain and suffering, and preferred that those she 'helped' were suffering, rather than comfortable.

-Refused to follow readily available and easy-to-use hygiene practices, spreading disease and (surprise surprise) more pain and suffering.

-Was more interested in keeping the poor poor rather than helping them out of poverty because, as she said herself on many occasions, God loves the suffering.

-Was *not* the only charity operating in India, and in fact, was one of the *worst* among quite a few charities...yet she gladly took the spotlight and donations for herself.

Even if her intentions were nothing but gold, her actions and debatable ignorance has fucking people over, spread disease, prolonged and increased massive suffering, and diverted attention away from truly beneficial charities, and wasted more peoples' money than *any* other known scam.

So please, pull your head out of your ass and accept the fact that the media-generated image of Marvelous Mother Teresa, the Perfect Saintly Missionary Incarnate is just fucking *wrong*.

[SirNitram]

Certainly, as soon as he provides evidence to the contrary as he brought up his "facts" first. Isn't that the rule of the debate? Or are you skipping him to get to me?

Oni provided two. Are you going to provide anything, or continue to screech personal attacks in the Troll-like hope it draws fire away from the fact you're blowing hot air?

This issue has been done to death. If you have some shocking new evidence that it wasn't all a scam of hers, I suggest you present it. Alternately, familiarize yourself with the debates already done. You know, like Posting Rule 10 says.

If you intend to start a debate, search the forum and the associated websites first, to see if your arguments have been raised before. If you are too lazy to search the forum and the associated websites before launching what you no doubt believe to be an innovative and original argument, then do not complain if you are flamed to a crisp.

Idiot.

[Darth Mortis]

Not my idol, and not very effective at what she did once Pope Paul VI got his greasy hands involved.

For me it's another reason to hate the Catholic Church, they took a good person and ran her into the fucking ground.

[Darth Mortis]

Certainly, as soon as he provides evidence to the contrary as he brought up his "facts" first. Isn't that the rule of the debate? Or are you skipping him to get to me?

Oni provided two. Are you going to provide anything, or continue to screech personal attacks in the Troll-like hope it draws fire away from the fact you're blowing hot air?

This issue has been done to death. If you have some shocking new evidence that it wasn't all a scam of hers, I suggest you present it. Alternately, familiarize yourself with the debates already done. You know, like Posting Rule 10 says.

If you intend to start a debate, search the forum and the associated websites first, to see if your arguments have been raised before. If you are too lazy to search the forum and the associated websites before launching what you no doubt believe to be an innovative and original argument, then do not complain if you are flamed to a crisp.

Idiot.

I get it Nitram, my bad.

however, remember I didn't start the flaming, read it again. I put in my two cents and was attacked for it. I can and will defend my points, but you're correct this will go nowhere. I shall be silent.

[Darth Mortis]

i see no referenced points from Oni, now your one-siding this thing.


if I said, Several books mention that the Vatican controlled all charities and took a large swatch from themselves, it would essentially be the same as Oni's arguement.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

however, remember I didn't start the flaming, read it again.

Read it again, and came up with this:

Hell how many of you even know your neighbors, much less would help them if you drove by them and they has a flat tire? I'm sure you all will chime in and say "I would" but you're full of shit.

Well I'll be damned! Looks like you started the flaming after all!

So not only are you an ignorant, media-led troll, but you're a *lying*, ignorant, media-led troll.

[SirNitram]

I get it Nitram, my bad.

however, remember I didn't start the flaming, read it again. I put in my two cents and was attacked for it. I can and will defend my points, but you're correct this will go nowhere. I shall be silent.

What points? The ones you have nothing to substantiate? Or the personal attacks where the people issuing criticism haven't had fanclubs?

Are you this stupid?