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US President George W Bush has met senior US and Iraqi officials at a US air base in Anbar province in Iraq.

The talks at al-Asad air base were attended by the US secretary of state, defence secretary, the US ambassador to Iraq and the head of US forces there.

They were joined by Iraq's PM Nouri Maliki and other senior Iraqis.

Mr Bush is facing pressure at home for a US withdrawal, but he insisted any pull out will only result from a "calm assessment" by leaders on the ground.

"Those decisions will be based on a calm assessment by our military commanders on the conditions on the ground, not a nervous reaction by Washington politicians to poll results in the media," said Mr Bush, addressing troops at the base on the US Labor Day holiday.

"In other words when we begin to draw down troops from Iraq it will be from a position of strength and success, not from a position of fear and failure."

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Speaking to reporters earlier, Mr Bush said his top officials had advised him that if current successes continue, security levels could be maintained with fewer troops.

However, he made no specific reference to how much troop numbers could be cut or any possible timetable for withdrawal, adding: "America does not abandon its friends. America will not abandon the Iraqi people".

The BBC's Matt Frei in Washington says the comment could have been a reference to UK forces who on the same day that Mr Bush was visiting Anbar withdrew their last troops from inside the southern city of Basra.

A total of 5,550 UK troops are now located at the airport outside Basra and their Basra Palace base is under Iraqi control.

Although the Bush administration has not publicly criticised the British, our correspondent says that in private officials are annoyed and say the move is not good for a White House which feels increasingly isolated.

The meeting in Anbar, which a Pentagon official called a "war council", comes just days before a key report on how Mr Bush's surge strategy is faring.

On 10 and 11 September, the head of US forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus, and the US ambassador, Ryan Crocker, are due to report to Congress on the situation in Iraq, focusing particularly on the effect of the surge, which reached full levels in June.

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The president was accompanied on his visit by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the US national security adviser, Steven Hadley.

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates arrived ahead of Mr Bush for talks with senior US officials including Gen Petraeus and Mr Crocker.

"This is the last big gathering of the president's military advisers and the Iraqi leadership before the president decides on the way forward," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said.

"This is very much a decisional meeting. This meeting will put him much closer to a decision if he hasn't made one yet."

In an extraordinary move, Iraq's senior leaders, including Prime Minister Maliki and President Jalal Talabani, travelled to Anbar to meet Mr Bush.

For Mr Maliki, a Shia, it was only his third visit to the Sunni-dominated province.

The last time Mr Bush was in Iraq was more than a year ago. Now, as then, the surprise trip was shrouded in secrecy because of the ongoing instability.

He stopped unannounced on board Air Force One en route to a summit of Asia-Pacific leaders in Australia and remained on the heavily protected air base for the duration of his visit. He has now left Iraq and is headed to Sydney.

The BBC's Hugh Sykes, in Baghdad, says Mr Bush's decision to land in Anbar province is significant. Anbar, west of Baghdad, has often been referred to as the centre of the Sunni insurgency, but the US now believes it has greatly reduced the threat from Sunni Arab militant groups, such as al-Qaeda in Iraq, our correspondent says.

Several imams have been killed for supporting US-led forces and preaching against al-Qaeda in Iraq at Friday prayers, and many local tribes have turned against the insurgents, he adds.
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UPDATE II: Our country's authoritarians are glorifying the Leader today like it's 2003, all for his very brave (and covert) sneaking into Iraq. Jules Crittenden (cousin of David Frum) uses language typically reserved for Jesus to describe Bush's every movement:

NPR reporting he's landed, enroute to an econmic summit in Australia. Web reports now coming in.

AP: He's in Anbar, landed at Al-Asad. . . . he's expected to meet with al-Maliki and Sunni tribal leaders who've joined the United States and the Iraqi government against al-Qaeda.

He is risen. This is the same Jules Crittenden who, back in January on the day of the President's speech unveiling the Surge, began his post this way: "George Bush will address us tonight, and show us the way forward." He will show us the way forward.

Similarly, Blue Texan notes that Glenn Reynolds -- in addition to linking to the Crittenden post above -- also linked to a post which began this way: "Unlike the last Commander-in-chief, is there any doubt that the men and women who serve our country love President Bush." Finally, Fred Kagan, writing in National Review, declared that Bush's trip "should be recognized as at least the Gettysburg of this war" -- at least -- and that the Leader's Glorious Visit "could well mark a key turning point in the war in Iraq and the war on terror."

He is Jesus. He is Lincoln. He is beloved by Our Troops. He "shows us the way forward." He is Our Leader.
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Of course, he declared that he saw great progress.

The problem? He apparently never left the airforce base he landed in.

I think that merits a New Rule.
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Finally, Fred Kagan, writing in National Review, declared that Bush's trip "should be recognized as at least the Gettysburg of this war" -- at least -- and that the Leader's Glorious Visit "could well mark a key turning point in the war in Iraq and the war on terror."
OK, immediate drug-test for this man right now.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
Finally, Fred Kagan, writing in National Review, declared that Bush's trip "should be recognized as at least the Gettysburg of this war" -- at least -- and that the Leader's Glorious Visit "could well mark a key turning point in the war in Iraq and the war on terror."
OK, immediate drug-test for this man right now.
His last name is Kagan. He doesn't drink the Kool-Aid... He brews it. 'Architect of the Surge' says it all.
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I do wonder how many thousands of man hours worth of patrolling were diverted to sanitizing the area within 5km of the base perimeter before this happened.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:I do wonder how many thousands of man hours worth of patrolling were diverted to sanitizing the area within 5km of the base perimeter before this happened.
Not a single second of time was wasted, as long as it went towards enabling the president to say all the exact same things he's been saying since the surge started, only this time in a different location!
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Holy George Orwell!
Vympel's wacky article wrote:Finally, Fred Kagan, writing in National Review, declared that Bush's trip "should be recognized as at least the Gettysburg of this war" -- at least -- and that the Leader's Glorious Visit "could well mark a key turning point in the war in Iraq and the war on terror."

He is Jesus. He is Lincoln. He is beloved by Our Troops. He "shows us the way forward." He is Our Leader.
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Wasn't Gettysburg one of the bloodiest damn battles of the Civil War?
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Molyneux wrote:Wasn't Gettysburg one of the bloodiest damn battles of the Civil War?
More importantly, it was a battle where the southern idol General Lee refused to admit defeat even in the face of clear objective evidence against his belief, and sacrificed thousands of men in a futile charge because of his stubbornness. The irony of RWAs comparing this to Gettysburg is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
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Molyneux wrote:Wasn't Gettysburg one of the bloodiest damn battles of the Civil War?
More importantly, it was a battle where the southern idol General Lee refused to admit defeat even in the face of clear objective evidence against his belief, and sacrificed thousands of men in a futile charge because of his stubbornness. The irony of RWAs comparing this to Gettysburg is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Unfortunately the concept of irony is as alien to these fuckwits as empathy.
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I just had a strange idea for how to let the US extricate itself from the mess in Iraq without letting Iraq become more of a terrorist breeding ground.

Have IRAN send 100,000 peacekeepers to the nation.

The Iraqi Shi'ites will welcome the presence of a Shi'ite military force backing them up. The Iraqi Sunni... Who cares about the Iraqi Sunni anymore? Let the Iranians deal with the Iraqi Sunni now.
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I have a better idea - partition of Iraq. After all, I think this is inevitable anyway.
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It's things like this that, in the decades to come, scholars will look at in consternation, then bellow with laughter. The only reason no one's laughing now is because this guy is still the most powerful man on Earth and lives are still being lost because of his gross incompetence and sycophantic following of yes men.
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Kagan sounds like a North Korean General sucking Kim Yongs Cock.
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A George dumber than Curious George wrote:"In other words when we begin to draw down troops from Iraq it will be from a position of strength and success, not from a position of fear and failure."
In other words, the US is never pulling out if Shrubby has his way.
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salm wrote:Kagan sounds like a North Korean General sucking Kim Yongs Cock.
Seriously.

On that topic, especially from the article in the OP, does anyone aside from me get the impression that some neo-conservatives are actually jealous of how Kim Jong Il is running things in North Korea?
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Darth Servo wrote:
A George dumber than Curious George wrote:"In other words when we begin to draw down troops from Iraq it will be from a position of strength and success, not from a position of fear and failure."
In other words, the US is never pulling out if Shrubby has his way.
"America does not abandon its friends. America will not abandon the Iraqi people".
So I guess the people of New Orleans aren't our friends then?
They're black and democrats, so what do you think?
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Sidewinder wrote:I just had a strange idea for how to let the US extricate itself from the mess in Iraq without letting Iraq become more of a terrorist breeding ground.

Have IRAN send 100,000 peacekeepers to the nation.

The Iraqi Shi'ites will welcome the presence of a Shi'ite military force backing them up. The Iraqi Sunni... Who cares about the Iraqi Sunni anymore? Let the Iranians deal with the Iraqi Sunni now.
No one in Iraq would welcome the open deployment of the Iranian military. They fucking hate each other to the bone, to say the very least. You have fallen into some very flawed thinking if you think that the Iraqi population is simply divided into two basic parts based on religion. If the situation was anything close to being that simple then the US probably could have won by now.
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Arab Shi'ites and Persian Shi'ites are at least as violent towards each other as Sunni vs. Shi'ite...
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Sea Skimmer wrote:No one in Iraq would welcome the open deployment of the Iranian military.
The same mistake that the Ayatollahs made in the Iran-Iraq War, really. They thought that just because the Iraqi Shi'ites had been unenthusiastic during the invasion of Iran, they would be equally so during the Iranian counter-offensive onto Iraqi soil.
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Pablo Sanchez wrote: The same mistake that the Ayatollahs made in the Iran-Iraq War, really. They thought that just because the Iraqi Shi'ites had been unenthusiastic during the invasion of Iran, they would be equally so during the Iranian counter-offensive onto Iraqi soil.
Saddam did the same thing before he invaded in the first place. The population of Khuzestan was ethnically closer to Iraq then the rest of Iran, and had been engaged in acts of rebellion against the fundamentalist government in 1979 and early 1980. Saddam assumed that if he invaded they'd ratchet up the rebellion, and flock to his support. Instead all rebel activity halted at once, and they rallied behind the Iranian government.

Interestingly Iran did not use its regular Army in the war until 1982, because it was considered to be too tainted by the Shah. Prior to that all fighting was carried out by various ‘popular forces’, the revolutionary guards and other paramilitary organizations.
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On that topic, especially from the article in the OP, does anyone aside from me get the impression that some neo-conservatives are actually jealous of how Kim Jong Il is running things in North Korea?
Yes. Many had been calling on Bush to abolish the significantly corrupted democratic mechanisms alltogether, some openly want a fascist dictatorship.

Remember Milton Friedman's claim that public resistance for the type of capitalism those folks propagandize will never allow it happen in a democracy, so you need a fascist dictatorship to enact it? Well, that truth has been accepted by a fairly large fraction of those who call themselves "neoconservatives".
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On that topic, especially from the article in the OP, does anyone aside from me get the impression that some neo-conservatives are actually jealous of how Kim Jong Il is running things in North Korea?
Yes. Many had been calling on Bush to abolish the significantly corrupted democratic mechanisms alltogether, some openly want a fascist dictatorship.

Remember Milton Friedman's claim that public resistance for the type of capitalism those folks propagandize will never allow it happen in a democracy, so you need a fascist dictatorship to enact it? Well, that truth has been accepted by a fairly large fraction of those who call themselves "neoconservatives".
Some neo-conservatives, like Dinesh D'Souza, actually admire Osama Bin Laden and the rest of the Wahhabists for their in-your-face theocratic tendencies, and believe that we in the West are weak and decadent for failing to create an equally oppressive Christian theocracy to compete with them.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:It's things like this that, in the decades to come, scholars will look at in consternation, then bellow with laughter.
I very much doubt it. Look at what happened after Reagen - a number of well funded organizations popped up to spin and twist everything so that 20 years later a large chunk of the populations is convinced he was one of the greatest presidents ever and we have a shit ton of things named after him. The same will happen with GWB, I guarantee it.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:It's things like this that, in the decades to come, scholars will look at in consternation, then bellow with laughter.
I very much doubt it. Look at what happened after Reagen - a number of well funded organizations popped up to spin and twist everything so that 20 years later a large chunk of the populations is convinced he was one of the greatest presidents ever and we have a shit ton of things named after him. The same will happen with GWB, I guarantee it.
I have my doubts. Reagan is largely admired for winning the Cold War, his policies being praised for leading to the dramatic collapse of the Soviet Union. What does Bush have? There won't be any dramatic end to Al-Qaeda, or to Islamic Fundamentalism. In fact, while some dramatic shit will go down when the Middle-East runs out of oil, if anything Islam will get stronger. "They never attacked us again" sounds weak, especially when one can say it's because of Afghanistan, and that absolutely nothing was gained from the Iraq adventure.
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