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Bush Knew Saddam had no WMDs.

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Salon exclusive: Two former CIA officers say the president squelched top-secret intelligence, and a briefing by George Tenet, months before invading Iraq.

By Sidney Blumenthal

Sep. 06, 2007 | On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

On April 23, 2006, CBS's "60 Minutes" interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. "We continued to validate him the whole way through," said Drumheller. "The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy."

Now two former senior CIA officers have confirmed Drumheller's account to me and provided the background to the story of how the information that might have stopped the invasion of Iraq was twisted in order to justify it. They described what Tenet said to Bush about the lack of WMD, and how Bush responded, and noted that Tenet never shared Sabri's intelligence with then Secretary of State Colin Powell. According to the former officers, the intelligence was also never shared with the senior military planning the invasion, which required U.S. soldiers to receive medical shots against the ill effects of WMD and to wear protective uniforms in the desert.

Instead, said the former officials, the information was distorted in a report written to fit the preconception that Saddam did have WMD programs. That false and restructured report was passed to Richard Dearlove, chief of the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), who briefed Prime Minister Tony Blair on it as validation of the cause for war.

Secretary of State Powell, in preparation for his presentation of evidence of Saddam's WMD to the United Nations Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003, spent days at CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., and had Tenet sit directly behind him as a sign of credibility. But Tenet, according to the sources, never told Powell about existing intelligence that there were no WMD, and Powell's speech was later revealed to be a series of falsehoods.

Both the French intelligence service and the CIA paid Sabri hundreds of thousands of dollars (at least $200,000 in the case of the CIA) to give them documents on Saddam's WMD programs. "The information detailed that Saddam may have wished to have a program, that his engineers had told him they could build a nuclear weapon within two years if they had fissible material, which they didn't, and that they had no chemical or biological weapons," one of the former CIA officers told me.

On the eve of Sabri's appearance at the United Nations in September 2002 to present Saddam's case, the officer in charge of this operation met in New York with a "cutout" who had debriefed Sabri for the CIA. Then the officer flew to Washington, where he met with CIA deputy director John McLaughlin, who was "excited" about the report. Nonetheless, McLaughlin expressed his reservations. He said that Sabri's information was at odds with "our best source." That source was code-named "Curveball," later exposed as a fabricator, con man and former Iraqi taxi driver posing as a chemical engineer.

The next day, Sept. 18, Tenet briefed Bush on Sabri. "Tenet told me he briefed the president personally," said one of the former CIA officers. According to Tenet, Bush's response was to call the information "the same old thing." Bush insisted it was simply what Saddam wanted him to think. "The president had no interest in the intelligence," said the CIA officer. The other officer said, "Bush didn't give a fuck about the intelligence. He had his mind made up."

But the CIA officers working on the Sabri case kept collecting information. "We checked on everything he told us." French intelligence eavesdropped on his telephone conversations and shared them with the CIA. These taps "validated" Sabri's claims, according to one of the CIA officers. The officers brought this material to the attention of the newly formed Iraqi Operations Group within the CIA. But those in charge of the IOG were on a mission to prove that Saddam did have WMD and would not give credit to anything that came from the French. "They kept saying the French were trying to undermine the war," said one of the CIA officers.

The officers continued to insist on the significance of Sabri's information, but one of Tenet's deputies told them, "You haven't figured this out yet. This isn't about intelligence. It's about regime change."

The CIA officers on the case awaited the report they had submitted on Sabri to be circulated back to them, but they never received it. They learned later that a new report had been written. "It was written by someone in the agency, but unclear who or where, it was so tightly controlled. They knew what would please the White House. They knew what the king wanted," one of the officers told me.

That report contained a false preamble stating that Saddam was "aggressively and covertly developing" nuclear weapons and that he already possessed chemical and biological weapons. "Totally out of whack," said one of the CIA officers. "The first [para]graph of an intelligence report is the most important and most read and colors the rest of the report." He pointed out that the case officer who wrote the initial report had not written the preamble and the new memo. "That's not what the original memo said."

The report with the misleading introduction was given to Dearlove of MI6, who briefed the prime minister. "They were given a scaled-down version of the report," said one of the CIA officers. "It was a summary given for liaison, with the sourcing taken out. They showed the British the statement Saddam was pursuing an aggressive program, and rewrote the report to attempt to support that statement. It was insidious. Blair bought it." "Blair was duped," said the other CIA officer. "He was shown the altered report."

The information provided by Sabri was considered so sensitive that it was never shown to those who assembled the NIE on Iraqi WMD. Later revealed to be utterly wrong, the NIE read: "We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade."

In the congressional debate over the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, even those voting against it gave credence to the notion that Saddam possessed WMD. Even a leading opponent such as Sen. Bob Graham, then the Democratic chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who had instigated the production of the NIE, declared in his floor speech on Oct. 12, 2002, "Saddam Hussein's regime has chemical and biological weapons and is trying to get nuclear capacity." Not a single senator contested otherwise. None of them had an inkling of the Sabri intelligence.

The CIA officers assigned to Sabri still argued within the agency that his information must be taken seriously, but instead the administration preferred to rely on Curveball. Drumheller learned from the German intelligence service that held Curveball that it considered him and his claims about WMD to be highly unreliable. But the CIA's Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control Center (WINPAC) insisted that Curveball was credible because what he said was supposedly congruent with available public information.

For two months, Drumheller fought against the use of Curveball, raising the red flag that he was likely a fraud, as he turned out to be. "Oh, my! I hope that's not true," said Deputy Director McLaughlin, according to Drumheller's book "On the Brink," published in 2006. When Curveball's information was put into Bush's Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address, McLaughlin and Tenet allowed it to pass into the speech. "From three Iraqi defectors," Bush declared, "we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs ... Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them." In fact, there was only one Iraqi source -- Curveball -- and there were no labs.

When the mobile weapons labs were inserted into the draft of Powell's United Nations speech, Drumheller strongly objected again and believed that the error had been removed. He was shocked watching Powell's speech. "We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails," Powell announced. Without the reference to the mobile weapons labs, there was no image of a threat.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell's chief of staff, and Powell himself later lamented that they had not been warned about Curveball. And McLaughlin told the Washington Post in 2006, "If someone had made these doubts clear to me, I would not have permitted the reporting to be used in Secretary Powell's speech." But, in fact, Drumheller's caution was ignored.

As war appeared imminent, the CIA officers on the Sabri case tried to arrange his defection in order to demonstrate that he stood by his information. But he would not leave without bringing out his entire family. "He dithered," said one former CIA officer. And the war came before his escape could be handled.

Tellingly, Sabri's picture was never put on the deck of playing cards of former Saddam officials to be hunted down, a tacit acknowledgment of his covert relationship with the CIA. Today, Sabri lives in Qatar.

In 2005, the Silberman-Robb commission investigating intelligence in the Iraq war failed to interview the case officer directly involved with Sabri; instead its report blamed the entire WMD fiasco on "groupthink" at the CIA. "They didn't want to trace this back to the White House," said the officer.

On Feb. 5, 2004, Tenet delivered a speech at Georgetown University that alluded to Sabri and defended his position on the existence of WMD, which, even then, he contended would still be found. "Several sensitive reports crossed my desk from two sources characterized by our foreign partners as established and reliable," he said. "The first from a source who had direct access to Saddam and his inner circle" -- Naji Sabri -- "said Iraq was not in the possession of a nuclear weapon. However, Iraq was aggressively and covertly developing such a weapon."

Then Tenet claimed with assurance, "The same source said that Iraq was stockpiling chemical weapons." He explained that this intelligence had been central to his belief in the reason for war. "As this information and other sensitive information came across my desk, it solidified and reinforced the judgments that we had reached in my own view of the danger posed by Saddam Hussein and I conveyed this view to our nation's leaders." (Tenet doesn't mention Sabri in his recently published memoir, "At the Center of the Storm.")

But where were the WMD? "Now, I'm sure you're all asking, 'Why haven't we found the weapons?' I've told you the search must continue and it will be difficult."

On Sept. 8, 2006, three Republican senators on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence -- Orrin Hatch, Saxby Chambliss and Pat Roberts -- signed a letter attempting to counter Drumheller's revelation about Sabri on "60 Minutes": "All of the information about this case so far indicates that the information from this source was that Iraq did have WMD programs." The Republicans also quoted Tenet, who had testified before the committee in July 2006 that Drumheller had "mischaracterized" the intelligence. Still, Drumheller stuck to his guns, telling Reuters, "We have differing interpretations, and I think mine's right."

One of the former senior CIA officers told me that despite the certitude of the three Republican senators, the Senate committee never had the original memo on Sabri. "The committee never got that report," he said. "The material was hidden or lost, and because it was a restricted case, a lot of it was done in hard copy. The whole thing was fogged up, like Curveball."

While one Iraqi source told the CIA that there were no WMD, information that was true but distorted to prove the opposite, another Iraqi source was a fabricator whose lies were eagerly embraced. "The real tragedy is that they had a good source that they misused," said one of the former CIA officers. "The fact is there was nothing there, no threat. But Bush wanted to hear what he wanted to hear."

-- By Sidney Blumenthal
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The good old "Single nugget of truth" buried in a avalanche of conflicting sources. You do realize that this is just one source, Ein?
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MKSheppard wrote:The good old "Single nugget of truth" buried in a avalanche of conflicting sources. You do realize that this is just one source, Ein?
Ah, ye olde 'shoot the messenger' tactic. You do realize this source likely has no reason to lie about so serious a matter, do you?
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In other news: Bush lied, lied and lied.

And can you say Y-E-L-L-O-W-C-A-K-E? Of course you can.

After all, the Congress will not impeach the liar and most of Americans will probably not give a fuck that Bush lied time and again to get this lil' victorious war.

Call me cynical, whatever, I don't habor any illusions about modern America. Bush will NOT be impeached, and I'd be very glad to find out that I am wrong now, but deep down I think most of you know it is true.

The fucker will stay, and mire US so deep in this internventionist war that there'd be work for a decade to come.
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: Ah, ye olde 'shoot the messenger' tactic. You do realize this source likely has no reason to lie about so serious a matter, do you?
Who knows, people lie about a lot of things

Also I've never heard of Salon before, are they a credible news source?

The story is interesting, but I'll treat it with a grain of salt until a more reputable news agency reports it.
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Ah, ye olde 'shoot the messenger' tactic. You do realize this source likely has no reason to lie about so serious a matter, do you?
For $200,000, I'd say any damn thing I needed to to get that $200k.

The kinds of people who spy for us are quite frankly scumbags, and I'd rather check what they're giving us against what we gather against other sources; before buying into whatever they're giving us.

If you think I'm insane; recall that there is a serious school of thought that Oleg Penkovsky was actually a Soviet Double Agent playing us all along -- it's the "Hall of Mirrors" problem that goes with any kind of intelligence work, which is why I imagine the CIA moved so much into TECHINT, as it was much less foible than human spies.
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MKSheppard wrote:The kinds of people who spy for us are quite frankly scumbags, and I'd rather check what they're giving us against what we gather against other sources; before buying into whatever they're giving us.
Too bad you didn't have that attitude before the invasion of Iraq.
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The problem isn't that Bush knew Iraq didn't have WMD and lied about it. The problem is that despite all of the evidence, Bush 'knew' that Iraq did have WMD and disregarded any report, no matter how detailed and accurate, that said otherwise. Hell, according to that new biography by that guy who looks like Gary Oldman's Zorg from The Fifth Element, Bush 'knew' that Iraq had WMD as late as spring of 2006. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that he still 'knows' Iraq had WMD.
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Darth Wong wrote:Too bad you didn't have that attitude before the invasion of Iraq.
One source saying he doesn't have WMDs, versus a ton of other sources implying that he has them or is in the works to acquire them?

It's so hard to make that decision.

As for the human intelligence sources being scumbags, I've had that attitude before the invasion of Iraq, courtesy of a late friend who worked in that business, he did a lot to get me out of jail; and he told me the story of how he had to debrief an Iraqi source here in the US -- the guy had two different families, complete with separate wives and kids all living a block or so away from each other in Baghdad; and the guy would go from one house to the other every so often, e.g. "Honey, I have to go spend the night at work" or something like that.

The Source made it a precondition of any further information from him was that not only he would be grabbed from Iraq, but so would both of his families.

The wives met for the first time at the airport. :twisted:

He was also involved in the Great 1991 Scud Hunt; I've personally seen the letter thanking him and his department signed by (then) SecDef Dick Cheney on his "I Love Me" Wall.
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Maybe I'm naive, but even if Saddam had WMD's, did we honestly think he would somehow start launching them toward the U.S.? I'm sure Saddam was a megalomaniac, but I really doubt that even he would have made such a stupid and suicidal move. Bush tried to make the case that Iraq, a broken country with little in the way of infrastructure, suddenly became a threat. How ridiculous is that?
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Well, of the three countries that Bush named in his little Axis of Evil, North Korea and Iran definitely constituted much more of a threat in nearly every way possible. Why Bush and co. decided to invade Iraq using their 'threat to America' excuse and not one of the other two countries is still beyond me.
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Superman wrote:Bush tried to make the case that Iraq, a broken country with little in the way of infrastructure, suddenly became a threat. How ridiculous is that?
Gee, maybe it had to do with the way he kept shooting at us?
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Mlenk wrote:Well, of the three countries that Bush named in his little Axis of Evil, North Korea and Iran definitely constituted much more of a threat in nearly every way possible. Why Bush and co. decided to invade Iraq using their 'threat to America' excuse and not one of the other two countries is still beyond me.
Not to mention Bush's urgency to invade.
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Mlenk wrote:Well, of the three countries that Bush named in his little Axis of Evil, North Korea and Iran definitely constituted much more of a threat in nearly every way possible. Why Bush and co. decided to invade Iraq using their 'threat to America' excuse and not one of the other two countries is still beyond me.
He's on record as wanting to do it since '99 at least. All to show up daddy so far as I can tell.

His urgency comes from wanting to strike while the iron was hot, so to speak, i.e. while he had the political capital to do it.
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Sorry, but there was plenty of reason even at the time to doubt the existence of Saddam's Alleged Vast WMD Arsenal —just from the IAEA and UNMOVIC inspection reports alone— and now we're learning that there was another source which was in line with the reports doubting the existence of WMD. Instead, the Bush Gang decided to go with the liars and kooks telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.

Shit, both Colin and Condi knew Saddam had nothing as captured on video by Australian journalist John Pilger back in 2001. Little factoid which got mentioned multiple times in debates with a certain imbecile of infamous repute in these precincts.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Superman wrote:Bush tried to make the case that Iraq, a broken country with little in the way of infrastructure, suddenly became a threat. How ridiculous is that?
Gee, maybe it had to do with the way he kept shooting at us?
:lol: So because he made token resistance to no-fly zones, he was a Grand Strategic Threat, even though his entire country had been snapped like a twig. Right. Sure. Keep deluding yourself.
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SirNitram wrote::lol: So because he made token resistance to no-fly zones, he was a Grand Strategic Threat, even though his entire country had been snapped like a twig. Right. Sure. Keep deluding yourself.
When another country impotently gives you the finger, you INVADE and OCCUPY them! Don't you see? That's how Manly Men do geopolitical strategy! You expected us to sit here and take that shit from them? What are you, some kind of woman?
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SirNitram wrote::lol: So because he made token resistance to no-fly zones, he was a Grand Strategic Threat, even though his entire country had been snapped like a twig. Right. Sure. Keep deluding yourself.
When another country impotently gives you the finger, you INVADE and OCCUPY them! Don't you see? That's how Manly Men do geopolitical strategy! You expected us to sit here and take that shit from them? What are you, some kind of woman?
You're running into the problem of trying to parody the modern Conservative movement. They've said that shit. Almost verbatim.
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They've said that shit. Almost verbatim
Yeah. Rudi Giuliani versus Ahmadinejad in a street fight? :lol:

Seriously, all those people need to be presented a PC from the US Government which would have a Mortal Combat 3D simulation with submersion glasses.

Then plug them into the Matrix and let them duke it out with Mahmoud Level 1, Kim level 2 or whoever they want - Chirac, Putin, Chavez, Fidel, Quaddafi, Hu Jintao, Musharraf, et cetera.
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Stas Bush wrote:
They've said that shit. Almost verbatim
Yeah. Rudi Giuliani versus Ahmadinejad in a street fight? :lol:

Seriously, all those people need to be presented a PC from the US Government which would have a Mortal Combat 3D simulation with submersion glasses.

Then plug them into the Matrix and let them duke it out with Mahmoud Level 1, Kim level 2 or whoever they want - Chirac, Putin, Chavez, Fidel, Quaddafi, Hu Jintao, Musharraf, et cetera.
Who would you have as the super-boss, Hitler or Stalin? Maybe a double team up with a Churchill Bite" special attack :P .
mlenk wrote:Well, of the three countries that Bush named in his little Axis of Evil, North Korea and Iran definitely constituted much more of a threat in nearly every way possible. Why Bush and co. decided to invade Iraq using their 'threat to America' excuse and not one of the other two countries is still beyond me.
That's actually a decent question, maybe due to Bush's "Daddy wasn't tuff enough, I'll show them how to do it! With twice the carpet bombs! and half the traitorous media!", and the established plans, infantry and the fact that Iraq was an easier, softened target compared to Iran. (With NK not being Muslim enough :P )
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Who would you have as the super-boss, Hitler or Stalin?
Both are dead. But technically we could install them for their complete detachment from reality.

Also, "Bush mode" instantly gives invincibility in a fight. :lol:
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Stas Bush wrote:
Who would you have as the super-boss, Hitler or Stalin?
Both are dead. But technically we could install them for their complete detachment from reality.

Also, "Bush mode" instantly gives invincibility in a fight. :lol:
For a 30 second invulnerability mode you need a German or nothing :P.
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SirNitram wrote: :lol: So because he made token resistance to no-fly zones, he was a Grand Strategic Threat, even though his entire country had been snapped like a twig. Right. Sure. Keep deluding yourself.
That ‘token resistance’ amount to more then 1000 SAM launches in 600 separate engagements, no one has any idea how much AAA was involved, against a US force that employed over 250 aircraft. The use of huge numbers of aircraft, and constant bombing of C3I sites, being the only reason why the US wasn’t losing manned aircraft. Yeah, that’s a real minor commitment right there.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
SirNitram wrote: :lol: So because he made token resistance to no-fly zones, he was a Grand Strategic Threat, even though his entire country had been snapped like a twig. Right. Sure. Keep deluding yourself.
That ‘token resistance’ amount to more then 1000 SAM launches in 600 separate engagements, no one has any idea how much AAA was involved, against a US force that employed over 250 aircraft. The use of huge numbers of aircraft, and constant bombing of C3I sites, being the only reason why the US wasn’t losing manned aircraft. Yeah, that’s a real minor commitment right there.
Gosh, it's almost as if Skimmer is illiterate, the way he misses that there's no strategic threat. Oh, wait. When it contradicts his desired outcome, he is illiterate.
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Never mind that the no-fly zones were actually illegal according to international law and Iraq was well within its rights to shoot down any US air craft trying to enforce it. Iraq firing on US was not casus belli, but the other way around was, though Iraq obviously did not declare war or try anything else.
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