Two women asked to "cover up" their clothes on air

[ammisan]

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DALLAS, Texas (AP) -- A second young woman has come forward to claim that Southwest Airlines employees made her cover up on a recent flight, leading jet-setters to ask: Will my outfit fly?
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Southwest Airlines said it had no record that Setara Qassim ever complained about the alleged incident.

Setara Qassim said a flight attendant confronted her during the trip from Tucson, Arizona, to Burbank, California, and asked whether she had a sweater to go over her green halter-style dress.

Qassim, 21, told KNBC-TV in Los Angeles she was forced to wrap a blanket around herself for the rest of the flight. She complained that if Southwest wants passengers to dress a certain way, it should publish a dress code.

Last week, 23-year-old Kayla Ebbert said a Southwest employee pulled her aside as she was preparing to board a plane departing San Diego for Tucson in July and told her she was dressed too provocatively to fly.

Ebbert, who took her case to NBC's "Today Show," said she was allowed on the plane after adjusting her sweater and short skirt. She said she was humiliated and felt the stares of other passengers who had overheard the verbal dressing-down.

Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. acknowledged the incident involving Ebbert, but airline spokesman Chris Mainz said the company had no record that Qassim ever complained.

Messages left with Qassim at her California home were not immediately returned to The Associated Press.

Southwest -- which dressed its stewardesses in hot pants and called itself "the love airline" back in the 1970s -- relies on employees to decide whether a passenger's attire may offend other customers, Mainz said.

"We don't have a dress code. We rely on our employees to use common sense, good judgment and good taste," Mainz said. "It's so rare for us to have to address a customer's clothing issue."

American Airlines claims the right to refuse to carry passengers for a variety of reasons, including being drunk, barefoot, having an offensive odor or being "clothed in a manner that would cause discomfort or offense to other passengers."

"It's generally a graphic on a T-shirt that might be uncomfortable" to another passenger, said American Airlines spokesman Tim Wagner. "We always find ways to mitigate it as best possible, with not allowing someone on a flight being the last option."

David Castelveter, spokesman for the Air Transport Association, the trade group of the major U.S. airlines, said he didn't know of any airline having a dress code for passengers.

Lynda White, who teaches etiquette classes and calls herself "The First Lady of Manners," said many young people have gotten lax on what to wear and how to act -- possibly influenced by Hollywood stars. She recommends "business-casual" outfits for the plane because you might be seated next to a potential employer or business contact.

"If you wear provocative clothing, tattoos, or you smell of alcohol or cigarettes, who's going to believe you?" she said.

Sorry, but If I'm on a plane and crammed into one of Southwest's legendarily uncomfortable seats, I'm dressing for comfort.

[ammisan]

Linky, because it didn't post the first time o.o

[Majin Gojira]

I believe another Southwest employ (or was it some other airline?) was fired because her she posted a picture of herself on her blog in uniform, and a tiny bit of her bra was showing.

I'm talking like a quarter sized bit on a fully uniformed woman.

Most manners are Bullshit, and this is a prime "Why the hell is this even an issue?" moment.

[FSTargetDrone]

This is the shockingly scandalous clothing in question, as worn by one of the women in the story, Kayla Ebbert :



True, yes, she's showing a bit of leg, but not even a hint of cleavage!

[Sam Or I]

on one hand I don't think a private comapany should have a right to tell you what to wear.

On the other the company should have the right to dictate who what standards should be on there aircraft. Its kinda like McDonalds saying "No shoes, no shirt, no service."

They should state any dress code before hand though to fly their airlines.

[Baal]

My guess some religious minded cuntball soccer mom complained that they girl who was infinitely more attractive than her was pointing that fact out by showing more skin than said nazi soccer mom would dare to show while even in bed.

[ammisan]

This is the shockingly scandalous clothing in question, as worn by one of the women in the story, Kayla Ebbert :



True, yes, she's showing a bit of leg, but not even a hint of cleavage!

Yeah, but she's showing off hot leg, and I've seen high schools not send their cheerleaders home to change who were wearing less than this.

[Darth Wong]

This is the shockingly scandalous clothing in question, as worn by one of the women in the story, Kayla Ebbert :



True, yes, she's showing a bit of leg, but not even a hint of cleavage!

Oh for fuck's sake, Rebecca routinely goes out in summer wearing a skirt as short as that. Who are these fucking Southwest prudes, anyway?

[SirNitram]

But remember, we must fight the EVAL MOSLEMS who would make our women cover up.

Dear christ...

[Darth Wong]

But remember, we must fight the EVAL MOSLEMS who would make our women cover up.

Dear christ...

I remember when Southwest tried to pull that bullshit because it didn't happen that long ago and it was actually at Pearson International Airport here in Toronto. They interviewed air travelers on local radio and almost all of them agreed that it was totally ridiculous, except for one really old guy. But what do you expect from an airline called "Southwest?" They have to keep up the Bible thumping traditions of the American southwest, right?

[Lusankya]

But remember, we must fight the EVAL MOSLEMS who would make our women cover up.

Dear christ...

I thought we were supposed to fight the evil Commie atheists who want us all to catch teh gay and turn into French Russians.

... or am I thinking about the wrong year? It's so hard to keep enemies straight these days.

[Superman]

I'm sure that I'm not the most objective person on this topic (as I would prefer women just be topless when sitting near me) but I wonder how much of this is due to the shitty attitudes of some prude employees instead of some kind of goofball flight policy.

[Pulp Hero]

But remember, we must fight the EVAL MOSLEMS who would make our women cover up.

Dear christ...

I remember when Southwest tried to pull that bullshit because it didn't happen that long ago and it was actually at Pearson International Airport here in Toronto. They interviewed air travelers on local radio and almost all of them agreed that it was totally ridiculous, except for one really old guy. But what do you expect from an airline called "Southwest?" They have to keep up the Bible thumping traditions of the American southwest, right?

No, don't lump the southwest with the regular South.

[Drewcifer]

On the other the company should have the right to dictate who what standards should be on there aircraft. Its kinda like McDonalds saying "No shoes, no shirt, no service."

A minor nitpick, those rules come down from the health department, not McD's.


Here's a picture of Ms. Qassim:

[brianeyci]

I think I can be objective. I'm looking at that woman and trying to think what would satisfy fundamentalists, and here is what would:

Never lower your dress standards for any occasion. Doing so sends the message that you are using your body to get attention and approval and that modesty is important only when it is convenient.

Immodest clothing includes short shorts and skirts, tight clothing, shirts that do not cover the stomach, and other revealing attire. Young women should wear clothing that covers the shoulder and avoid clothing that is low-cut in the front or back or revealing in any other manner.

Young men should also maintain modesty in their appearance. All should avoid extremes in clothing,k appearance and hairstyle. Always be neat and clean and avoid being sloppy or inappropriately casual in dress, grooming and manners. Ask yourself, "Would I feel comfortable with my appearance if I were in the Lord's presence?

That's from the Mormon brochure on my table. In other words the only way that woman could satisfy certain people, religious fundamentalists especially, would be wear clothing that hides the size of her boobs, and no bright colors. Anything that draws attention to herself would be inappropriate, including contrasts in color and an hourglass figure.

In other words I can objectively say that fundamentalists are not just being prudes. They want everybody to be dull, dressed in their best all the time (when I confronted the Mormons about this they agreed people shouldn't be dressed in their best all the time, no word on whether they'll change their retarded brochure though) and to attract as little attention as possible.

It's a direct result of praise of modesty over all other traits like honesty in religon. For example, look at President Bush and his false modesty. Sure President Bush is modest, but he's a lying prick. But because he has those teary eyes and gives off that false air of humility, people buy into his crap, especially religious fundamentalists who praise modesty and humility over all other traits and denegrate pride, even when pride is earned.

[Mlenk]

But remember, we must fight the EVAL MOSLEMS who would make our women cover up.

Dear christ...

I remember when Southwest tried to pull that bullshit because it didn't happen that long ago and it was actually at Pearson International Airport here in Toronto. They interviewed air travelers on local radio and almost all of them agreed that it was totally ridiculous, except for one really old guy. But what do you expect from an airline called "Southwest?" They have to keep up the Bible thumping traditions of the American southwest, right?

I wasn't aware that the American southwest was considered Bible thumping but then again the only place I've ever lived in in the Southwest is Las Vegas (going on my 20th year here) which probably doesn't paint a stereotypical picture of your average Southwest community

[Lancer]

Erm, the southwest is defined as Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Oklahoma.
Nevada officially falls in under the pacific (a.k.a. west coast) region of California, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington.

[Mlenk]

Yeah, I just checked and you're right. I guess most people here just lump Nevada with the Southwest in their minds because to be part of the West Coast or the Pacific region you'd need to actually be bordering the Pacific coastline.

[General Zod]

I think I can be objective. I'm looking at that woman and trying to think what would satisfy fundamentalists, and here is what would:

That's from the Mormon brochure on my table. In other words the only way that woman could satisfy certain people, religious fundamentalists especially, would be wear clothing that hides the size of her boobs, and no bright colors. Anything that draws attention to herself would be inappropriate, including contrasts in color and an hourglass figure.

In other words I can objectively say that fundamentalists are not just being prudes. They want everybody to be dull, dressed in their best all the time (when I confronted the Mormons about this they agreed people shouldn't be dressed in their best all the time, no word on whether they'll change their retarded brochure though) and to attract as little attention as possible.

It's a direct result of praise of modesty over all other traits like honesty in religon. For example, look at President Bush and his false modesty. Sure President Bush is modest, but he's a lying prick. But because he has those teary eyes and gives off that false air of humility, people buy into his crap, especially religious fundamentalists who praise modesty and humility over all other traits and denegrate pride, even when pride is earned.

Amusingly, it directly contradicts fundies claims that people should "come as you are" to the Lord. Though this is hardly shocking.

[Illuminatus Primus]

[snip]

What a hottie. Should be a sin to cover her up.

[Drewcifer]

For what it's worth, Okies consider themselves to be Midwesterners, and Texas differs as to where you are in the state. It's like the deep south down by Louisana, but west Texas feels like the Southwest.

[Drewcifer]

[snip]

What a hottie. Should be a sin to cover her up.

Ya, where's the motorboat smiley?

[FSTargetDrone]

Mormon modesty, eh?

Some are less "modest" than others, at least when it comes to men:

‘Men on a Mission' calendar controversial among Mormons

Andy Harvey

12 News

Sept. 10, 2007 05:00 PM

A calendar showcasing what some call sexy photos of former Mormon missionaries is creating a controversy among the Valley’s LDS community.

Church Member Ariel Ricks said, “They’re bare chested so I don’t think it’s so great.”

The 2008 calendar is called ‘Men on a Mission’. It has twelve young church males who have completed their mission posing without shirts. Co-founder Chad Hardy said the calendar is meant to dispel stereotypes people may have about Mormons as well as to have fun.

Hardy said, “You have five thousand wives or you’re inbred. Those are all the things people would poke fun at us.”

The company, which is web based, also sells t-shirts that poke fun at the stereotypes Hardy mentioned. But the project is not sitting well with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in the Phoenix area.

Church Member Melba Boyse said, “I don’t know why it has to be connected to the returned missionaries or to the church.”

Boyse and others feel the calendar company is instead making fun of the Mormon faith. However, Hardy, who’s also a church member and served a mission, says that’s not the case.

Hardy said, “Don’t take it too seriously. Have fun with it. Take it for what it is."

The company, which is based in Las Vegas, Nev, is in talks with a national distributor to get the calendars in major stores. Hardy said a portion of the proceeds will go towards several charities.

To take a look at the calendar go to:

Men on a Mission Calendar

[FSTargetDrone]

By the way:

Always be neat and clean and avoid being sloppy or inappropriately casual in dress, grooming and manners. Ask yourself, "Would I feel comfortable with my appearance if I were in the Lord's presence?

I can agree to the part about being neat, clean and avoiding sloppiness. That's all well and good, and fine advice.

But, worrying about one's appearance while in the presence of a god? Uh, seriously? As in, "I'm standing before an actual deity and I need to be concerned that it actually cares what I look like?"

[CaptainChewbacca]

Seems to me if we want to keep muslim terrorists off our airlines, we should keep our female passengers as nude as possible.

Heck, require all passengers to eat a BLT and take a shot of Jack, that'll thin out the terrorists!