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Beeb wrote:Erik Prince said three of his company's vehicles "had pock marks in them from incident reports that I saw", in an interview with the US TV network CBS.

Mr Prince claimed this proved "our guys were not shooting at each other".

An Iraqi government investigation has concluded the Blackwater guards fired on the civilians without provocation.

On Tuesday, it demanded the US government end its association with Blackwater in Iraq within six months and hand over the contractors involved in the incident on 16 September in Baghdad.

It also said the North Carolina-based contractor should pay $8m (£3.93m) compensation to each of the victims' families. Another 27 Iraqis were wounded in the shooting, according to the Iraqi police.

US officials have released few details of the incident as it is subject to an investigation by the FBI.

Mr Prince told CBS that he was glad the FBI was investigating the incident, as they would be a "neutral party".

"If there's further investigation or prosecution even needed, if someone really did wrong and meant badly, I'm all supportive," he said in an interview with the 60 Minutes programme, which will be broadcast later on Sunday.

"Sure, you know, mistakes can be made. I'm not saying anyone, our guys, no one's perfect," he added. "But bad things don't generally happen by themselves.

Mr Prince said the incident "started with a very large car bomb [that] blew up right outside a venue where one of our teams was with an American".

He said Blackwater vehicles were later hit by incoming small arms fire from insurgents, including one which was shot through the radiator and had to be towed from the scene.

"The fact is three of our vehicles had pock marks in them from incident reports that I saw," he added. "So, clearly, our guys were not shooting at each other."

In another interview with CNN, Mr Prince dismissed reports that investigators had found no shell casings in Nisoor Square from weapons used by anyone other than Blackwater or the US military.

Mr Prince said there was a "very big traffic circle" and that the "jury is still out".

He added that the guards involved in the incident were still in Iraq and were co-operating with the FBI investigation.

On 2 September, the former elite US Navy Seal defended his staff during a grilling by a congressional committee, saying they were brave and effective, and had acted "appropriately".
What the fuck is with the excuses? Of course your guys weren't shooting at each other. They were fucking gunning down civilians. :evil:

Maybe it'll occur to Prince that maybe people were shooting back because of that fact.
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well apparently the Blackwater SUVs had bullet holes in them. apparently thyat's unheard of in a warzone where they appare to be poorly maintained and under attack from time to time...

quit lying and giving bullshite excuses fucking jackasses.
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It will be horribly ironic if the same court that sentenced Saddam to death, presides over the trial of the Blackwater employees involved in the shooting.
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Blackwater is so very much the perfect example of how the modern Right Wing wants the world to work: A private company doing the government's work(Check), off the taxpayer's dollar(Check), with no pesky oversight or regulation(Check), and, if I read the relevent laws right, none of those pesky 'workers rights'.

I will admit I'm sketchy on this bit. Blackwater's boys are all 'private contractors'. That means the company doesn't bother with payroll taxes, and the contractor has to handle his own. Nor, I believe, is it required to handle such things as health insurance, retirement, or even transport out of the theatre if the employee resigns. There are only 450 permenant employees.. Compared to 14,000 contractors. Maybe more. Link for those numbers.

Sounds like a Libertarian's dream come true.
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SirNitram wrote:Sounds like a Libertarian's dream come true.
If so, the Libertarian is damn stupid for sanctioning an armed force with the power to potentially launch a coup and install a military dictatorship. (In fact, Blackwater can probably overthrow a good number of Third-World governments.)
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Sidewinder wrote:It will be horribly ironic if the same court that sentenced Saddam to death, presides over the trial of the Blackwater employees involved in the shooting.
It can't, Paul Bremer granted contractors a carte blanche, general get-out-of-gaol/prosecution/any trouble free card just before running like a scared kid out of the "safe and stable" country.
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SirNitram wrote:
Sounds like a Libertarian's dream come true.

I find this to be a funny statement because over on another board I'm in an argument with a Libertarian who went and said "There is nothing Free-market about Blackwater" after I had posted the Blackwater story over there. :roll:

I really hadn't thought about how disconnected Libertarians were from reality until I went over to a board where there were a sizeable chunk of them. It's really strange.
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Libertarians I find are the ultimate 'no true Scotsman' people on the Internet.

Every time you bring up any kind of example of ANY kind of failed state where a weak central Government leads to a catastrophic breakdown of society, they turn around and say 'oh no thats not actualy a real example of how a Libertarian society would work!' then do their best to avoid follow up questions of WHY this is so...
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If so, the Libertarian is damn stupid for sanctioning an armed force with the power to potentially launch a coup and install a military dictatorship.
One of the libertarian icons, Milton Friedman, openly supported a US-assisted military coup against a democratic socialist government and the installation of military dictatorship which launched ultra-privatization policies. He also said that democracy as it is will never allow such an experiment to be launched, IIRC, because people will resist the "free market". Hoops.
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Lonestar wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Sounds like a Libertarian's dream come true.

I find this to be a funny statement because over on another board I'm in an argument with a Libertarian who went and said "There is nothing Free-market about Blackwater" after I had posted the Blackwater story over there. :roll:

I really hadn't thought about how disconnected Libertarians were from reality until I went over to a board where there were a sizeable chunk of them. It's really strange.
There isn't anything free market about Blackwater. No-bid contracts, 90% of it's income from the government, no competition or oversight.. It exists as a peice of corporate welfare.
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There isn't anything free market about Blackwater.
There is, however, a free market warrior icon which can be brought up as an example. The infamous Bob Denard, "king of the mercenaries". He worked for the highest bidder, competed with other armed groups and in general his actions are the prime example of what "private security" would look like. :lol:
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Americans excoriate the Hessians, yet employ mercs (PMCs for PCness) against others, things just come full circle...
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great does that mean that there will be some headless blackwater guy hunting down Iraqi school teachers a generation from now?
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Chris OFarrell wrote:Libertarians I find are the ultimate 'no true Scotsman' people on the Internet.

Every time you bring up any kind of example of ANY kind of failed state where a weak central Government leads to a catastrophic breakdown of society, they turn around and say 'oh no thats not actualy a real example of how a Libertarian society would work!' then do their best to avoid follow up questions of WHY this is so...
Libertarianism is basically Communism for the 21st century. Even if they seem to be diametrically opposed at first glance, they both rely on exactly the same kind of pie-in-the-sky utopian thinking and severe misunderstandings of human nature. It's only natural that they'd use the same excuses to dismiss the failures of their systems whenever they've actually been put into practice.
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yeah, they make me want to have a time machine just so I could do awful things to Ann Rynd
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