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BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Women in several countries have begun sending their panties to Myanmar embassies in a culturally insulting gesture of protest against the recent brutal crackdown there, a campaign supporter said Friday.

"It's an extremely strong message in Burmese and in all Southeast Asian culture," said Liz Hilton, who supports an activist group that launched the "Panties for Peace" drive earlier this week.

The group, Lanna Action for Burma, says the country's superstitious generals, especially junta leader Gen. Than Shwe, also believe that contact with women's underwear saps them of power.

To widespread international condemnation, the military in Myanmar, also known as Burma, crushed mass anti-regime demonstrations recently and continues to hunt down and imprison those who took part.

Hilton said women in Thailand, Australia, Singapore, England and other European countries have started sending or delivering their underwear to Myanmar missions following informal coordination among activist organizations and individuals.

"You can post, deliver or fling your panties at the closest Burmese Embassy any day from today. Send early, send often!" the Lanna Action for Burma Web site urges.

"So far we have had no response from Burmese officials," Hilton said.
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After a day of tri-panty dialogue, deep in the golden triangle due to the popular demand, the panties are back. Make sure your panties reach the intended target, SPDC. You can post, deliver or fling your panties at the closest Burmese Embassy any day from today. Send early, send often!

This is your chance to use your Panty Power to take away the power from the SPDC and support the people of Burma.

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Myanmar Embassy
132 Sathorn Nua Road
Bangkok
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Huh, I've never heard of that superstition before.
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Contact with pants saps a military junta of power? :lol: That's... new to me.
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No wonder these guys are angry all the time...
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"It's an extremely strong message in Burmese and in all Southeast Asian culture," said Liz Hilton, who supports an activist group that launched the "Panties for Peace" drive earlier this week.
I wonder if Liz is related to Paris. Such an... absurd... means of protest seems like something that airheaded heiress would think of.
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Stas Bush wrote:Contact with pants saps a military junta of power? :lol: That's... new to me.
Panties not pants. I'd guess the "logic" is that women's underwear contaminates them with femininity somehow, and that femininity = weakness.
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Sidewinder wrote: I wonder if Liz is related to Paris. Such an... absurd... means of protest seems like something that airheaded heiress would think of.
Weird though this may sound, it makes a lot of sense.

The generals who make up the Myanmar Junta are intensely superstitious. They believe in signs and portents, they consult astrologers before making any moves, they use mediums to consult the dead heroes of the past etc etc etc. In short, these guys are nuts.

Now, the prevailing mythos in Myanmar is one of the Priest-King, the ruler who combines both secular and religious authority. That's why the demonstrations by monks were so dangerous; they hit right at the heart of the mythology that the Myanmar Junta depends on to maintain its authority. Now, one of the things about Bhuddist priests is that they are not allowed to touch anything female. To give you an example of this, when I was working in Thailand on RTADS I had a Thai girlfriend. Nothing unusual there, everybody in Thailand has a girlfriend - except the Monks. Every so often we used to go to a temple where my girlfriend would make offerings to the monks. By doing so, she would gain merit and that would be in her favor when her next incarnation came around. The only problem was that a Monk isn't allowed to touch anything that has been touched by a woman immediately before. To do so would be to expose himself to temptation and reduce his merit. So, my girlfriend would give her offerings to me and I would give them to the monks on her behalf. That way, the proprietories were respected and everything was fine.

Obviously, the more intimate the contact with a woman, the more problematic the contact becomes. Viewed from this respect, a woman sending a pair of her panties to the Myanmar Junta is incredibly damaging, its bringing great discredit upon them and inflicting severe harm on their priest-king image. This assumes that the lady in question had worn said panties before sending them. If they were both worn and unwashed, the insult is almost unimaginable, it would make spitting in the man's face seem a friendly gesture of respect.

It's worse than just an insult, its striking at the very heart of the beliefs that are the primary foundation of the Myanmar Junta's claim to authority (authority, not power).

At the last count, the Myanmar Junta has arrested five Generals and more than 400 troops for refusing to obey orders to fire on the monks demonstrating in Yangon and Mandalay. That's an enormous crack in the system of power. Now, we have women from all over the world striking at one of the key beliefs that provide the Myanmar Junta with its power.

This may sound ridiculous to us, but in the context of the belief system that the Myanmar Junta depends upon to maintain its power, its a telling blow. It won't be decisive on its own but as part of a concerted effort to chip away at the support system of the Myanmar Junta, its a significant blow.

In our context, its the equivalent of a politician who'd campaigned on a "family values" platform being found in bed with a dead girl and a live boy.
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Stas Bush wrote:Contact with pants saps a military junta of power? :lol: That's... new to me.
Panties not pants. I'd guess the "logic" is that women's underwear contaminates them with femininity somehow, and that femininity = weakness.
Not femininity, temptation and the sins of the flesh. For a regime that relies on appeal to traditional religious values, it does make a lot of sense. It's an open statement that the regime is corrupt and has lost the "mandate of heaven". It's saying that they represent everything that is weak, corrupt and lacking in merit. It's also sucking away at what merit they have.

The ladies who thought this up are sharp. It's not sapping their military power, its sapping their moral authority to rule.
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Stuart wrote:Not femininity, temptation and the sins of the flesh. For a regime that relies on appeal to traditional religious values, it does make a lot of sense. It's an open statement that the regime is corrupt and has lost the "mandate of heaven". It's saying that they represent everything that is weak, corrupt and lacking in merit. It's also sucking away at what merit they have.

The ladies who thought this up are sharp. It's not sapping their military power, its sapping their moral authority to rule.
I remember reading something about them setting up Buddhism (their own particular brand) for that purpose. But now that they have shot that to pieces, what next?
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:But now that they have shot that to pieces, what next?
I'm guessing brassieres as an exclamation point. ;)

Less flippantly, I think this entire "Panties for peace" idea is a wonderful and clever idea, given the sociological climate of Burma right now. There might be a revolution soon, but I do hope it'll be as bloodless and clever as this move by the ladies was.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:But now that they have shot that to pieces, what next?
I'm guessing brassieres as an exclamation point. ;)

Less flippantly, I think this entire "Panties for peace" idea is a wonderful and clever idea, given the sociological climate of Burma right now. There might be a revolution soon, but I do hope it'll be as bloodless and clever as this move by the ladies was.
Given what just happened, it is highly unlikely that there will be another one so soon unless the junta splinters.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: I remember reading something about them setting up Buddhism (their own particular brand) for that purpose. But now that they have shot that to pieces, what next?
That's a good question and one which must be exsercising their minds right now. In a very real sense, the Myanmar Junta was a one-trick pony, all they had was brute force and a bastardized version of Buddhism to justify it. Now that they can't rely on their armed forces to use brute force and their Buddhist doctrine is being turned against them, what do they try next? They can't let up on the internal repression because teh country will fly apart if they do.

I suppose a good comparison is a large dam with a small crack that has water spraying out of it. They can stick their finger in this hole but the implication is the whole structure is starting to break up. I doubt if it will happen immediately (could be very wrong on that; look at the way Eastern Europe folded up) but the combination of signs of mutiny form the armed forces and the religious dimension to the resistance is very ominous.

Its notable that they are keeping order with paramilitary forces, not thw regular army. That's very significant.

PS Did you get the notes on Singapore's armed forces?
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rhoenix wrote: I'm guessing brassieres as an exclamation point.
That would be a double-barrelled attack.

According to press reports the Chief of Police in Yangon was beating on a monk when a schoolgirl ran out and slapped his face (in Buddhism, touching somebody's head is a grave insult). That took sheer, undiluted guts.
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And in other news, Japanese businessmen have been arriving to take on loads of worn panties for sale in Tokyo at various embassies around the world...
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Stuart wrote:That's a good question and one which must be exsercising their minds right now. In a very real sense, the Myanmar Junta was a one-trick pony, all they had was brute force and a bastardized version of Buddhism to justify it. Now that they can't rely on their armed forces to use brute force and their Buddhist doctrine is being turned against them, what do they try next? They can't let up on the internal repression because teh country will fly apart if they do.

I suppose a good comparison is a large dam with a small crack that has water spraying out of it. They can stick their finger in this hole but the implication is the whole structure is starting to break up. I doubt if it will happen immediately (could be very wrong on that; look at the way Eastern Europe folded up) but the combination of signs of mutiny form the armed forces and the religious dimension to the resistance is very ominous.

Its notable that they are keeping order with paramilitary forces, not thw regular army. That's very significant.

PS Did you get the notes on Singapore's armed forces?
Would they go as far as round up more generals and so forth? They have, as you say, round up some. What's the particular difference between using paramilitary and the regular army? One is paid better than the other? They probably fear the most a revolt led by someone within the army now.
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My guess it's because "paramilitary forces" are often True Believers and little more than uniformed thugs who can use all kinds of tactics the regular army either doesn't want to do or doesn't want to get caught doing.
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Stuart wrote:The generals who make up the Myanmar Junta are intensely superstitious. They believe in signs and portents, they consult astrologers before making any moves, they use mediums to consult the dead heroes of the past etc etc etc. In short, these guys are nuts.
I know the Chinese are also superstitious, but with the CCP actively trying to discourage superstition and religious beliefs, I'd expect some of that to rub off on the Burmese. Or are the two nations NOT such close allies?
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Stuart wrote:The generals who make up the Myanmar Junta are intensely superstitious. They believe in signs and portents, they consult astrologers before making any moves, they use mediums to consult the dead heroes of the past etc etc etc. In short, these guys are nuts.
I know the Chinese are also superstitious, but with the CCP actively trying to discourage superstition and religious beliefs, I'd expect some of that to rub off on the Burmese. Or are the two nations NOT such close allies?
The Burmese Generals aren't exactly communists, more like thugs. If by anything, the greatest direct influence comes from Thailand when it comes to religion and so forth as Siam was the regional power in the past. Still is to an extent. The generals set up a state religion hoping to give themselves some legitimacy and to keep the population in line. That has since backfired.

Also, you might remember that China doesn't quite go around and impose communism on its allies.
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Darth Raptor wrote:My guess it's because "paramilitary forces" are often True Believers and little more than uniformed thugs who can use all kinds of tactics the regular army either doesn't want to do or doesn't want to get caught doing.
That's a big part of it, another is the old "divide and rule" thing. By setting up the paramilitaries (you can pick them out in pictures by their "uniform" of white shirts and green Longyi) as an alternaive force to teh Army they play one off against the other. The Army have the firepower to overthrow the government, the paramilitaries don;t have the firepower to take on the Army. So, if the Junta continues to try and force the Army to attack the Monks, the Army could mutiny and has a reasonable chance of overthrowing the government and the paramilitaries can't stop them. However, if the Junta orders to paramils to attack the monks and they mutiny, there would be no problem in ordering the Army to take down the paramils - in fact the Army would relish the job.
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