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Email NEVER Covered by 4th Amendment Protection

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So, the US government unsurprisingly think that it has the right to go and seize anyone's emails and other electronic communications whenever it pleases for any reason at all. Without any warrant, court order, probable cause or other similar justification.

How does it feel like to live in a police state?
The Register, quoting Security Focus wrote: No email privacy rights under Constitution, US gov claims
By Mark Rasch, SecurityFocus
Published Sunday 4th November 2007 12:02 GMT

On October 8, 2007, the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit in Cincinnati granted the government's request for a full-panel hearing in United States v. Warshak case centering on the right of privacy for stored electronic communications. At issue is whether the procedure whereby the government can subpoena stored copies of your email - similar to the way they could simply subpoena any physical mail sitting on your desk - is unconstitutionally broad.

This appears to be more than a mere argument in support of the constitutionality of a Congressional email privacy and access scheme. It represents what may be the fundamental governmental position on Constitutional email and electronic privacy - that there isn't any. What is important in this case is not the ultimate resolution of that narrow issue, but the position that the United States government is taking on the entire issue of electronic privacy. That position, if accepted, may mean that the government can read anybody's email at any time without a warrant.
What is Privacy?

In a seminal case (Katz v. United States in 1963) the US Supreme Court, over the strenuous objections of the US government, upheld the right of the user of a payphone to claim a right to privacy in the contents of those communications. The Court held that the Fourth Amendment right to be secure in your "persons, house, places and effects" against unreasonable searches and seizures protected people, not just places. Thus, to determine whether you had a right against unreasonable seizure - a kind of privacy right - the court adopted a two-pronged test: did you think what you were doing was private and is society willing to accept your belief as objectively reasonable?

The method you use to communicate can effect both your subjective expectation of privacy and society's willingness to consider that expectation as "reasonable." Shouting a "private" conversation into a megaphone at Times Square would neither be subjectively nor objectively reasonable, if you wanted the conversation to be confidential. "Broadcasting" the conversation over the radio is likewise unreasonable.

But, what about "broadcasting" it over an unsecured Wi-Fi router, analog cell phone, or cordless telephone? While certain statutes may make the interception of such communications unlawful, absent such statutes is there a Constitutional prohibition on listening in? Put more narrowly, if the cops listen in on your baby monitor, do they violate your "right to privacy," or do you give up your right by knowingly putting the monitor in little Timmy's room in the first place?
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Do you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" in the contents of email you send and receive at work, using a work computer, over a company supplied network, where the company has a "business use only" policy, and an employee monitoring policy that states that any communications may be monitored? Think about it. Indeed, the policy will go further and says "users have no expectation of privacy." But is this true? Or, is it even a good idea?

Remember Katz? The Constitution only protects reasonable expectations of privacy. If you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in your email, then the examination of the contents of your email by anyone for any purposes is not an invasion of privacy and raises no Fourth Amendment concerns.

What you really mean in your policy is that your employer (your supervisor, the IT staff, HR, legal, etc.) may examine the contents of your e-mail for legitimate reasons and if they choose to, disclose the contents to whatever third parties they deem reasonable. Fair enough. But, it also means that you can't read your bosses' email or your co-workers' email, just because you are curious. Why not? Because they have an "expectation of privacy" in their email.

Privacy is not like virginity - you either have it or you don't. You can have privacy rights with respect to some uses by some people and not with respect to other uses by other people. Right? Well, not according to the government.

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The article suggests that the government can already subpoena physical mail. In which case it is only natural that they also be able to subpoena E-mail. If nothing else it's consistent. I do, however, argue that both are clear violations of the 4th Amendment which states:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Mail, electronic or otherwise, falls under the category of papers and thus I contend that the government cannot search it without a warrant.

Also, as a totally irrelevant nitpick. Virginity is not necessarily something you either have or don't. Someone who's given/recieved oral is arguably still a virgin but less so than someone who hasn't even made out.
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Yes, the article is consistent and it does not concern the subpoena issue's constitutionality. It concerns the government assertion that it does not need even a subpoena but can seize email communications at whim, which is completely ridiculous.

In Finland email is treated exactly as if it were normal mail. For workplace emails etc, there are two different laws that are applicable, but they don't conflict. A court order is always needed to seize them.

With regard to data privacy in electronic communications and issues related to that, the US hasn't even reached stone age yet and is so assbackwards that it defies description.
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Wait, this is an actual question? I thought the answer would've been plainly fucking obvious.
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I are stupid.

The word "subpoena" implies a warrant, yes? If so, my post above is nonsense. For it to make sense, you need to change the meaning of "subpoena" to the government just seizing shit.
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Durandal wrote:Wait, this is an actual question? I thought the answer would've been plainly fucking obvious.
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Adrian Laguna wrote: Mail, electronic or otherwise, falls under the category of papers and thus I contend that the government cannot search it without a warrant.
I wonder if the argument has been made, that an electronic message file is not 'paper,' and therefore exempt from protection.

Just trying to think like a lawyer...
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Kanastrous wrote:
Adrian Laguna wrote: Mail, electronic or otherwise, falls under the category of papers and thus I contend that the government cannot search it without a warrant.
I wonder if the argument has been made, that an electronic message file is not 'paper,' and therefore exempt from protection.

Just trying to think like a lawyer...

There are strict constructionists who would argue that, but I don't see any of them trying to ban the private possession of weapons which aren't swords, pikes, or single-shot muskets....
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