Romney: Dead parents better than gay parents

[Xisiqomelir]

Amazing

Dead parents better than gay ones says Romney
2nd November 2007 17:20
Tony Grew

A candidate for the Republican party nomination for President of the United States has said that he thinks a child would be better off with a dead parent rather than a gay one.

Mitt Romney, a former Governor of Massachusetts, was speaking at a college in rural Iowa.

Asked what he would say to a gay couple wanting to get married, he pointed out his support for a change to the US Constitution to bar gay and lesbian Americans from marriage.

"I believe that maintaining the strength of the marriage relationship, the family relationship, is critical to the strength of an entire society," he said, according to Rocky Mountain News.

"And I believe that the development of children is enhanced by having a male and a female as part of their upbringing in their home.

"Even when there's a divorce, you still have a mom and a dad.

"And even where one member of the partnership may pass away, the memory and the characteristics of that gender, of that partner influence the development of a child.

"I'm in favour of promoting, as a society, the marriage of men and women and the development of children in that kind of setting."

Mr Romney is attempting to portray himself as more conservative than his Republican opponents on the issue of gay marriage.

The leading candidate, former Mayor of New York Rudy Guiliani, is pro-gay rights.

Massachusetts is the only state in America to have legalised gay marriage.

This was not the work of Mr Romney, a Mormon who once worked as a missionary in France.

The Supreme Court of Massachusetts established the right of gay and lesbian couples to marry.

American liberals are worried about the candidacy of a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Mormons believe that homosexuality, and homosexual desire, are sinful.

The church has opposed all efforts in America to legalise same-sex marriage or civil unions.

Mr Romney has experience in state government and in business: he was the CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City.

However, he has no experience in Congress, or international politics.

This may not be a barrier, as four out of the last five Presidents have come to Washington straight from state politics.

Last December it was revealed that Mr Romney once courted the gay community for their support in a 1994 campaign for the US Senate.

In a letter, published by Massachusetts newspaper Bay Windows, he promises to represent his gay and lesbian constituents.

"I think the gay community needs more support from the Republican Party, and I would be a voice in the Republican Party to foster anti-discrimination efforts," he wrote.

The revelation angered conservatives in the US.

The Republican candidate will be announced at the party's convention at the start of September 2008.

The Presidential election will be held on 4th November 2008 and a new President will take office on 20th January 2009.

[Gullible Jones]

Maybe he's trying to one-up Giuliani in creepiness...

[Darth Wong]

According to Romney and his ilk, a child is better off with a heterosexual convicted murderer as a parent than a law-abiding homosexual. After all, he hasn't said one word about banning marriage for convicted felons or even murderers, rapists, or pedophiles, as long as they're hetero.

[K. A. Pital]

I feel sad for America. A whole bunch of people who try to get elected there are creepy fucks.

[Adrian Laguna]

At some point in time I believed the man was just pandering to the base. This article does not mark the point at which I decided he wasn't, but it certainly reminds me of why I changed my mind.

[Sidewinder]

What about abusive parents, Romney? I say the child is better off with dead parents than ones who'd molest and/or beat their own children, but if a child had to choose between gay parents and ones who'd use him/her as a blowup dolls and/or a punching bag...

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

What about abusive parents, Romney? I say the child is better off with dead parents than ones who'd molest and/or beat their own children, but if a child had to choose between gay parents and ones who'd use him/her as a blowup dolls and/or a punching bag...

He'd pick the abusive child-rapist parents. Duh. Who ever told you Republicans have any actual intrinsic morals?

[Superman]

All of the research on this subject has been pretty clear: it doesn't seem to make a different whether a child's parents are straight or gay, as long as a child has two parents. The child with only one parent is probably at greater risk for problems down the road.

Of course, science matters not when one has religion.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Oh fuck Romney. I knew the guy was an ass already, but this takes it to another level. What a douche. Why, for once, can't we be offered a decent person for a candidate?


That most of Utah will almost definitely vote Republican saddens me and makes be question whether or not I should even bother to vote. It'd almost be a waste of gas to go and vote, even if I walked there.

[Sea Skimmer]

It’s the most open presidential election in decades… and we get the same shit over and over again. The way things are shaping up I’m not sure they’ll even be a one candidate on the ballot I can vote for, even just for the sake of voting against someone else. Time to start thinking of a good write in I guess.

[PeZook]

Is this really this surprising, though?

This guy is a mental heir of the line of thinking that gave America charming slogans like "Better dead than Red!".

This thing just swaps out one undesirable idea for another, is all.

[The Spartan]

Maybe it's just my mood today, but I can't even get suitably outraged. The guy has flipped back onto himself to pander to the worst section(s) of this society.

What I can get sickened by, however, is the fact that whether he or the Ghoulish one gets nominated by the Gay Old Party that person will get the electoral college votes of Texas. Consequently, it will, sadly, not really matter when I vote against them.

I may as well vote for the Cookie Monster.

[Mayabird]

Everyone does remember how he's Mormon, right?

This is a direct result of his religious beliefs, in more ways than the obvious one. Mormonism, you see, believes in eternal marriage. By that I mean, death doesn't even do you part. You die, and you're STILL married. I don't know what they say about divorce these days, but it used to be absolutely forbidden because for all the rest of eternity in their sucktastic afterlife (well, probably pretty awesome for the men, but women eternally married to truly virtuous men get to be rewarded by being soul factories - "spirit wives" that are constantly pregnant and giving birth to souls to populate the planet their husband now owns and runs) and besides, men can always get a few more wives if their first one bothered them. Women of course didn't mean crap.

But, with the official drop of polygamy, you can't just pick up another eternal spouse, so once one dies, that's it. And it's right and proper for that to be so, because God obviously meant it that way since you can't get remarried and the kids only have one parent. And of course gay marriage is absolutely forbidden.

Long story short, don't vote for the Mormon. It's even worse than you already knew.

[Kanastrous]

Why, for once, can't we be offered a decent person for a candidate?

What decent person would really want the job?

[Darth Wong]

Why, for once, can't we be offered a decent person for a candidate?

What decent person would really want the job?

Plenty of people. Believe it or not, a lot of politicians, especially at the local level, actually care about their communities and about improving things. The problem is that the system is set up in such a manner that this type of person will never go far, so they'll never get close to high-level power. The staggering amounts of money required to run for high office and the nature of the marketing machine mean that your whole time is spent raising funds, pandering to those who can raise funds for you, and defending yourself from the other guy's expensively disseminated marketing attacks on your character. No principled person could tolerate this process or be good at it.

[Kanastrous]

Why, for once, can't we be offered a decent person for a candidate?

What decent person would really want the job?

Plenty of people. Believe it or not, a lot of politicians, especially at the local level, actually care about their communities and about improving things. The problem is that the system is set up in such a manner that this type of person will never go far, so they'll never get close to high-level power. The staggering amounts of money required to run for high office and the nature of the marketing machine mean that your whole time is spent raising funds, pandering to those who can raise funds for you, and defending yourself from the other guy's expensively disseminated marketing attacks on your character. No principled person could tolerate this process or be good at it.

We're in agreement. The question would have been better rendered as What decent person would want to swim the river of shit, between him and the job?

[Adrian Laguna]

Let's be honest here, it's always been the way. Look back at the list of Presidents all the way to George Washington, they're either rich, or have rich people backing them. Though I believe there are exceptions. Oh and corruption, look up Tammany Hall, political corruption these days sucks, but it used to suck worse. Hell, now the shit flinging is positively tame by comparison of the good ol' days. Probably the funniest incident involves one candidate accusing another of selling a young American lass to the Russian Czar.

[Guardsman Bass]

Let's be honest here, it's always been the way. Look back at the list of Presidents all the way to George Washington, they're either rich, or have rich people backing them. Though I believe there are exceptions. Oh and corruption, look up Tammany Hall, political corruption these days sucks, but it used to suck worse. Hell, now the shit flinging is positively tame by comparison of the good ol' days. Probably the funniest incident involves one candidate accusing another of selling a young American lass to the Russian Czar.

Of course, keep in mind that it was a different kind of corruption. Presidents before William Jennings Bryan didn't even campaign for themselves, because it was considered unbecoming of a Presidential candidate; the party and their supporters did it for them.

I agree with the mudslinging being worse back then, and Tammany Hall corruption. But you didn't see the widescale pandering by Presidential candidates that you've gotten today, and not quite so much the simplisticness that you get today because of the advent of television advertising.

[Napoleon the Clown]

That it has been worse is irrelevant. I'm still disgusted by the fact that the best canidate, IMO, is inexperienced and has an rather unfortunate name. I have my worries regarding Obama, but compared to Romeny, Hillary, Guilliani, etc.


Half this fucking state would vote Romney in a heart beat because he's Mormon. At one point, I though there was an outside possibility of him being a half-decent choice. Then he got more spot-light and there that thought went. If it weren't for the fact that the president has only so much power I'd say we're gonna be boned no matter what within the next decade or so. And even with a limit to his/her power, the future president is likely to do some really asshatted things that'll end up making things worse.

Gah, nothing helps keep the rose-tinted glasses firmly left in your childhood then politics.

[Shinova]

Everyone does remember how he's Mormon, right?

This is a direct result of his religious beliefs, in more ways than the obvious one. Mormonism, you see, believes in eternal marriage. By that I mean, death doesn't even do you part. You die, and you're STILL married. I don't know what they say about divorce these days, but it used to be absolutely forbidden because for all the rest of eternity in their sucktastic afterlife (well, probably pretty awesome for the men, but women eternally married to truly virtuous men get to be rewarded by being soul factories - "spirit wives" that are constantly pregnant and giving birth to souls to populate the planet their husband now owns and runs) and besides, men can always get a few more wives if their first one bothered them. Women of course didn't mean crap.

Wow, I learn a new side of Mormonism and am scared.

[Justforfun000]

You know, if America knew what was good for her, she would have had a prohibition in the Constitution against ANY religious influence, including personal beliefs as being valid reasons for partisan policies. It'd be the only way to demand objective reasons for a point of view.

[Broomstick]

Everyone does remember how he's Mormon, right?

This is a direct result of his religious beliefs, in more ways than the obvious one. Mormonism, you see, believes in eternal marriage. By that I mean, death doesn't even do you part. You die, and you're STILL married. I don't know what they say about divorce these days, but it used to be absolutely forbidden because for all the rest of eternity in their sucktastic afterlife (well, probably pretty awesome for the men, but women eternally married to truly virtuous men get to be rewarded by being soul factories - "spirit wives" that are constantly pregnant and giving birth to souls to populate the planet their husband now owns and runs) and besides, men can always get a few more wives if their first one bothered them. Women of course didn't mean crap.

Wow, I learn a new side of Mormonism and am scared.

Oh, it's worse than that - a woman's salvation depends entirely on her husband - if she never marries she's screwed. If her husband turns out to be an evil bastard bound for hell then no matter how virtuous she is doesn't matter - she goes down with him.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Brief word to avoid a thread-jack, but there is the possibility of a divorce (as in the "time and all eternity" part is actually broken), but it requires the First Presidency's stamp of approval and is thus about as likely as a Neo-Nazi praising Woody Allen.

[Guardsman Bass]

I don't think that's correct. My parents, who aren't exactly anything important, managed to get a divorce from a Mormon Temple marriage fairly easily, including the dissolving bit.

[Darth Wong]

That helps explain why Mormons are so dead-set against gay marriage; gender roles are so thoroughly interwoven into their belief system that the idea of gay marriage must seem absolutely insane to them. And of course, they reject separation of church and state.