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Source.Reuters wrote: HELSINKI (Reuters) - At least seven people died in the school shooting in Tuusula, southern Finland, the head of the medical response team said on Wednesday.
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"At this moment it's seven or more, higher," Dr. Eero Hirvensalo told Reuters.
(Reporting by Agnieszka Flak)
I refused to believe that such things could happen in my parts of the world.I was a bit shocked when I heard this, but somehow I felt that this was bound to happen at some point.Fatal shooting at Finnish school
A policeman stands outside the school in Tuusula
Armed Finnish police rushed to the scene of the shooting, reports say
At least three people have been killed and several injured in a shooting at a school in southern Finland, officials and witnesses say.
Police gave no details of the victims' injuries in the incident in the town of Tuusula, some 50km (30 miles) north of the capital Helsinki.
Finnish media reported that the shots had been fired by an 18-year-old man.
Police inspector Tero Haapala said later the situation was under control and "there is no danger to outsiders".
Mr Haapala declined to comment on reports that police had arrested the gunman. The school building is still surrounded by police and ambulances.
Jumping from windows
A Tuusula municipality spokesman said the gunman opened fire during a lesson at Jokela secondary school, Finland's STT news agency said.
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Students and staff fled in panic, and a number of heavily armed police were later seen rushing to the scene, STT said.
Kim Kiuru, a Jokela teacher, said the head teacher announced over the school public announcement's system just before noon (1000 GMT) that all students should remain in their classrooms.
"I stayed in the corridor to listen to more instructions having locked my classroom door," Mr Kiuru told Finland's YLE radio.
"After that I saw the gunman running with what appeared to be a small calibre handgun in his hand through the doors toward me after which I escaped to the corridor downstairs and ran in the opposite direction."
Mr Kiuru said he then told his students to "jump out of the windows... and all my pupils were saved".
Some media reports suggested a message on the YouTube website was linked to the shooting.
Jokela school has more than 400 students aged 12 to 18.
It was a first reported shooting incident at a Finnish school.
What the hell was the head teacher thinking? Wouldn't it be better to GET THE HELL AWAY from the danger zone instead of hoping the shooter wouldn't try to break into a room?Kim Kiuru, a Jokela teacher, said the head teacher announced over the school public announcement's system just before noon (1000 GMT) that all students should remain in their classrooms.
"I stayed in the corridor to listen to more instructions having locked my classroom door," Mr Kiuru told Finland's YLE radio.
"After that I saw the gunman running with what appeared to be a small calibre handgun in his hand through the doors toward me after which I escaped to the corridor downstairs and ran in the opposite direction."
Mr Kiuru said he then told his students to "jump out of the windows... and all my pupils were saved".
Isn't a lockdown somewhat of a standard procedure in the US?Sidewinder wrote:I expect American idiots to use this as an excuse to promote legislation banning the private possession of firearms. I wonder if Finland has idiots comparable to America's.What the hell was the head teacher thinking? Wouldn't it be better to GET THE HELL AWAY from the danger zone instead of hoping the shooter wouldn't try to break into a room?Kim Kiuru, a Jokela teacher, said the head teacher announced over the school public announcement's system just before noon (1000 GMT) that all students should remain in their classrooms.
"I stayed in the corridor to listen to more instructions having locked my classroom door," Mr Kiuru told Finland's YLE radio.
"After that I saw the gunman running with what appeared to be a small calibre handgun in his hand through the doors toward me after which I escaped to the corridor downstairs and ran in the opposite direction."
Mr Kiuru said he then told his students to "jump out of the windows... and all my pupils were saved".
If there is a dangerous invidual with lethal intent and capability on the loose, you make sure that people don't start running around without first knowing where the person in question is. And if the head teacher had said that everyone should run away, the possibility of the weaker and smaller getting trampled on - and the gun-wielding invidual finding plenty of target material running wildly around - isn't that small at all. Panicked crowd is incosiderate mass when it comes to other people's health. While in many cases it is usually written in rules to order the people inside the bulding under emergency (for example, a fire) to gather at some point and then under supervision exit from the building, in this case it might have had terrible consequences in addition to the tragedy that had already occured.Sidewinder wrote:I expect American idiots to use this as an excuse to promote legislation banning the private possession of firearms. I wonder if Finland has idiots comparable to America's.What the hell was the head teacher thinking? Wouldn't it be better to GET THE HELL AWAY from the danger zone instead of hoping the shooter wouldn't try to break into a room?Kim Kiuru, a Jokela teacher, said the head teacher announced over the school public announcement's system just before noon (1000 GMT) that all students should remain in their classrooms.
"I stayed in the corridor to listen to more instructions having locked my classroom door," Mr Kiuru told Finland's YLE radio.
"After that I saw the gunman running with what appeared to be a small calibre handgun in his hand through the doors toward me after which I escaped to the corridor downstairs and ran in the opposite direction."
Mr Kiuru said he then told his students to "jump out of the windows... and all my pupils were saved".
Finland had a similar incident way back in 1989, although america still has us beat that was before columbine and the media imprinted the idea of school shootings into the public mindset permanently.Elfdart wrote:See? Proof once again that every person in the world wants to be just like Americans.
People who push for gun control are now "idiots"?I expect American idiots to use this as an excuse to promote legislation banning the private possession of firearms.
Well, well, well. Given that, IIRC, 77% of murder by firearms are through stolen handguns, it seems that private posession of guns has at least one strong argument against it - the general circulation of arms is tied with the circulation of arms on the black market which are the crime and murder weapons.
What country are you referring to?Stas Bush wrote:People who push for gun control are now "idiots"?I expect American idiots to use this as an excuse to promote legislation banning the private possession of firearms.
I'd actually prefer not to discuss it, as we've done it to death in the past.Edi wrote:How about the pro- and anti- gun control assholes fuck right off out of this thread and take their bullshit elsewhere? Make a separate thread for gun control if you must discuss it.
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No matter what, those are pretty shocking figures. After seeing this, I looked at the Swedish statistics and in 2006, there were 240 murder victims. Of those, 59 had been killed with a firearm and 181 had been killed in incidents which did not involve firearms. Of course the accessibility to weapons facilitates them being used in criminal activity and of course the same accessibility makes it easier for deranged persons to actually carry out something like this.Glocksman wrote:What country are you referring to?Stas Bush wrote:People who push for gun control are now "idiots"?I expect American idiots to use this as an excuse to promote legislation banning the private possession of firearms.
Finland? Russia?
I know it's not the USA.
Unless you want to argue with the word "stolen" - that those firearm murders were done by legally owned handguns... which quite probably isn't true, and I don't know why anyone would argue that.I wrote:...77% of murder by firearms are through stolen handguns...
Ending the tangent, I saw the 'murder' and stopped there.Stas Bush wrote:To Glocksman: the USA. 7,294/9,528 = 76,55%.Unless you want to argue with the word "stolen" - that those firearm murders were done by legally owned handguns... which quite probably isn't true, and I don't know why anyone would argue that.I wrote:...77% of murder by firearms are through stolen handguns...
Hereby ending the tangent. PM me for any further questions, but if someone decides to split that to a gun control thread, I would welcome.
That he was. He was a nihilistic, completely screwed up asshole who bought into social darwinism and said that he loved hatred, loved being angry and hating the world. He saw himself as someone who was a natural selector, who would decide the life and death of unworthy people. And true to form, after he had done what he did, he shot himself. Too bad he didn't finish THAT job completely.Glocksman wrote:Anyway, what was the shooter's motivation?
From the little I read, he seemed to me a total nutcase who slipped through the mental health cracks.
Sheer misanthropy, it seems.Glocksman wrote:Anyway, what was the shooter's motivation?
From the little I read, he seemed to me a total nutcase who slipped through the mental health cracks.
asshole in his farewell letter wrote:I am a cynical existentialist, antihuman humanist, antisocial socialdarwinist, realistic idealist and godlike atheist.
SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM! JUSTITIA SUUM CUIQUE DISTRIBUIT! SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.
You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand... You will proprably say me that I am"insane", "crazy", "psychopath", "criminal" or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.
I have had enough. I don't want to be part of this ****ed up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing. But... When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name... When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets... When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice... When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority... In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.
Long live the revolution... revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can't alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.
I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true... even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil... I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.
And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don't blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don't blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don't blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!
Justice renders to everyone his due.
