Dems: Impeaching Cheney is now on the table

[Invictus ChiKen]

I apologize if this is already posted but I couldn't find it.

I received an email from the DNC saying there putting Cheney's impeachment down as an option.

It included a link to this website
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/cheney

The following is the text of said letter.

November 9, 2007
The Honorable John Conyers, Jr.
Chairman
Committee on the Judiciary
2138 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Chairman Conyers

I am writing in support of H. Res. 799, the Articles of Impeachment which were referred to the committee relative to the Impeachment of the Vice President of the United States of America.

Recent reports indicate that the Vice President is attempting to shape the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran to conform to his misperceptions about the threat Iran actually poses. Much like his deceptive efforts in the lead up to the Iraq war, the Vice President appears to be manipulating intelligence to conform to his beliefs.

If the reports are true, they add additional weight to the case for impeachment. I believe impeachment remains the only tool Congress has to prevent a war in Iran. This information relates directly to the Article III charges in the resolution. I urge your timely consideration.

Sincerely,

/s/

Dennis J. Kucinich

Member of Congress

The website http://www.democrats.com/ has additional information on how to aid in getting this going.

[Phantasee]

You can't impeach Cheney! He's not part of the Executive! He's the fourth branch of government, remember? The Black Executive?

Doonesbury told me so.

[Patrick Degan]

You can't impeach Cheney! He's not part of the Executive! He's the fourth branch of government, remember? The Black Executive?

Doonesbury told me so.

Don't laugh —they might actually attempt that argument if push comes to shove.

[Elfdart]

Call your reps and ask them politely to hold impeachment hearing for Dick Vader.

[Flagg]

So shrub can appoint Adolph Ghouliani, allowing him to run as an incumbent VP while Cheney keeps a desk at the WH? No thanks.

[Elfdart]

There's no way to impeach Dick Vader without impeaching Dubya, too. Each is neck deep in the other's bullshit. Starting with Dick Vader gets the ball rolling.

[Patrick Degan]

So shrub can appoint Adolph Ghouliani, allowing him to run as an incumbent VP while Cheney keeps a desk at the WH? No thanks.

Um, no. The man to be appointed VP would have to be a sitting member of Congress.

[Phantasee]

Patrick Degan

You're joking, I hope? When the hell did he actually say that?

[Patrick Degan]

Patrick Degan

You're joking, I hope? When the hell did he actually say that?

One of the many arguments floated to defend the illegality of Count Dick in Plamegate has been that he is not subject to the restrictions on declassification of sensitive infomation which binds the executive branch as he is not really a member of the executive branch. Except he isn't really a member of the Congressional branch simply by virtue of holding the largely ceremonial position of President of the Senate. Wags since then have satirised this "legal" argument by saying that Count Dick seems to think he represents a new "fourth branch" of government —which has gained much comedy mileage. The sad thing is that the maladministration might actually attempt such tortured "reasoning" as a defence against impeachment since their legal understanding appears entirely to have been pulled from their asses.

[Flagg]

So shrub can appoint Adolph Ghouliani, allowing him to run as an incumbent VP while Cheney keeps a desk at the WH? No thanks.

Um, no. The man to be appointed VP would have to be a sitting member of Congress.

Where did you dream that up? The President can nominate anyone he chooses as long as they fit the eligability requirements for the job. The Senate just has to confirm them.

[Flagg]

Ghetto Edit: Both the House and the Senate have to confirm a VP nominee by a sitting President.

[Lord of the Abyss]

There's no way to impeach Dick Vader without impeaching Dubya, too. Each is neck deep in the other's bullshit. Starting with Dick Vader gets the ball rolling.

And keeping the pair of them occupied defending themselves so they can't do as much damage, and uncovering as much of what they've done as possible now, and not twenty or thirty years from now is a worthy goal in itself.

[Patrick Degan]

So shrub can appoint Adolph Ghouliani, allowing him to run as an incumbent VP while Cheney keeps a desk at the WH? No thanks.

Um, no. The man to be appointed VP would have to be a sitting member of Congress.

Where did you dream that up? The President can nominate anyone he chooses as long as they fit the eligability requirements for the job. The Senate just has to confirm them.

OK, you're right on the one but not on the other. Yes, the president can nominate somebody outside of Congress to fill the VP's office. However, that choice has to be confirmed by full vote of both Houses.

[Gil Hamilton]

To be fair, it's Dennis Kucinich saying impeachment on the table, who represents the Lollipop Guild for all it matters.

[The Yosemite Bear]

now, now, he's about as powerful as say Basil Organna was before Tarkin said "Commence Primary ignition"

[Glocksman]

now, now, he's about as powerful as say Basil Organna was before Tarkin said "Commence Primary ignition"

What's 'Basil Organna', some kind of spice mix with Basil, Oregano, and something else?

All kidding aside, unless a tape of Cheney or GWB saying 'let's fake the intel needed to start the war' surfaces, impeachment isn't going to happen (over the Iraq War anyway).

[Flagg]

As far as I'm concerned, impeachment is just counterproductive at this point. I'd much rather see the groundwork laid for criminal investigations against them both once they're out of office.

[Lord of the Abyss]

As far as I'm concerned, impeachment is just counterproductive at this point. I'd much rather see the groundwork laid for criminal investigations against them both once they're out of office.

Bush can just pardon Cheney before leaving office. For all I know he can pardon himself ( and it's the sort of thing I'd expect him to try, no matter what the law is). And at any rate, you can expect the next President to pardon the pair of them, regardless of party, in the name of "closure" and "healing". Impeachment is the most punishment either will ever receive; and even that is highly unlikely.

[montypython]

They might as well impeach Bush as well, for going along with Cheney and co.'s schemes.

[General Zod]

Bush can just pardon Cheney before leaving office. For all I know he can pardon himself ( and it's the sort of thing I'd expect him to try, no matter what the law is). And at any rate, you can expect the next President to pardon the pair of them, regardless of party, in the name of "closure" and "healing". Impeachment is the most punishment either will ever receive; and even that is highly unlikely.

"The President ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

Cheney can't be pardoned if his punishments are a part of an impeachment. Not that Bush has ever let the constitution stop his attempts at doing something before.

[DaveJB]

They wouldn't have much to gain by trying to impeach Cheney - he could just resign on "health grounds" if there was any serious threat of it carrying through, and then Dubya could pardon him. Trying to impeach Dubya himself at this late stage probably wouldn't be worthwhile either, as the Democrats would have to put all their efforts into trying to get the impeachment through, which would probably make them lose focus on next year's election.

[Elfdart]

Political power is like a muscle: It will wither if you never flex it. Besides, if they don't at least try to impeach Dubya and Dick Vader, it will be construed as approval for their crimes. Any Republitard flack with an IQ in double digits can respond:

"The Democrats can't complain. They had every opportunity to impeach and never even tried it. "

And they would be right.

[Stravo]

What is annoying about this "Impeach Bush/Cheney" debate is that the Republicans managed to get an impeachment rammed through Congress based on a cum stained dress. Thousands of American lives have been lost, billions of dollars vanished down the rabbit hole of corruption waste above and beyond the sheet cost in money, our reputation is in tatters, a country and a people have been shoved into anarchy and religious violence, illegal wiretaps have been confirmed as having been carried out for years, American civil liberties are constantly under assault and the very idea of even discussing impeachment is looked on as laughable. I wish Bush were getting fisted by assless chaps wearing leather queens as opposed to the fiasco going on in Iraq. Less damage would have been done to the presidency. Bear in mind Nixon was impeached for illegally wiretapping a Democratic HQ and covering it up. Bush and company have illegally wiretapped the COUNTRY and no one gives a shit.

This country frankly deserves this administration thanks to the spineless opposition party, the soulless zombified Republicans and worst of all the listless apathetic ignorant American public. Bravo America.

[Lord of the Abyss]

Bush can just pardon Cheney before leaving office. For all I know he can pardon himself ( and it's the sort of thing I'd expect him to try, no matter what the law is). And at any rate, you can expect the next President to pardon the pair of them, regardless of party, in the name of "closure" and "healing". Impeachment is the most punishment either will ever receive; and even that is highly unlikely.

"The President ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

Cheney can't be pardoned if his punishments are a part of an impeachment. Not that Bush has ever let the constitution stop his attempts at doing something before.

Good to know, although Flagg was saying that we should go for criminal investigations instead of impeachment, so this actually supports my belief that impeachment would be better. Not that I expect either.

[CaptainChewbacca]

It'll never happen. The fuckups in Iraq come from all sides, parties, and departments. If they start investigating Cheney, other folks might start getting nervous.