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Eight Killed In Nebraska Shooting

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BBC News wrote:Eight killed in Nebraska shooting

At least eight people have been killed after a gunman opened fire in a shopping centre in the US state of Nebraska, police say.


A further five people were said to have been wounded in the shooting, at the Westroads Mall in Omaha.

There were reports that the gunman had turned the gun on himself, though this was not confirmed by police.

Police sealed the exits and emergency workers were seen ferrying stretchers into the building.

Customers hid

There have been differing accounts of the incident.

According to one report, the gunman shot people at random from a balcony in the shopping centre.

Others said the shooting appeared to have taken place in the Von Maur department store.

Keith Fidler, a Von Maur employee, said he heard a burst of five to six shots followed by 15 to 20 more shots.

A worker from another shop said customers and employees were huddled in a storeroom.

"All we know was people were running and screaming down the hallway by Von Maur saying there was a shooting, and then [police] locked us down," she said.

Earlier in the day, President George W Bush had been in Omaha for a fundraiser, but he left the city before the shooting occurred.
Holy shit! A shooting in the US, stop the press!

And did someone talk of political rally related shootings not long after that hostage taking? Guess we're seeing it happen.
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How do we know this has anything to do with a political rally? It might have just been some fuck with a grudge, either against a former employer or perhaps he went after an ex-spouse who worked there. The story says he was shooting randomly, so until we see more details, maybe he was just nuts.
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That may be, but it is an amazing coincidence all the same. Until it is proven, it remains a possible factor in this event.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:That may be, but it is an amazing coincidence all the same. Until it is proven, it remains a possible factor in this event.
Did we have any especially big sun spots today? They’ve got about as good a probability of being linked. Seriously now, it’s a shooting hours after Bush left in a completely different part of the city. If the shooter was politically motivated then why not go to the airport, or the fund raiser or the health care center Bush also visited? In the four hours Bush was on the ground this person could have traveled across a good portion of the state to make an interception and the local media would have provided a running commentary for him to zero in with, even if he had no prior planning. I’m willing to bet Omaha had at least one other shooting incident today too, given its population.

Anyway we also have this MSNBC report to go on which indicates that the man had a court date on unspecified charges coming up this week, and that he left a suicide note in which he announced he was "going out in style."

Sure doesn’t sound political to me, sounds like another low life loser looking to get fifteen seconds of fame via murder. He was probably too damn stupid to even have political views.
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Maybe he felt now would be a good time to go postal given Bush was just there and so the media circus would also offer better coverage. I could sure swallow that as a reason for the two events being close.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Sure doesn’t sound political to me, sounds like another low life loser looking to get fifteen seconds of fame via murder. He was probably too damn stupid to even have political views.
I tend to agree. From the link you provided:
Robert Hawkins had been kicked out of his family’s house, had broken up with his girlfriend and was recently fired from his job at McDonald's, where he had been accused of stealing $17.
Probably the last thing this guy was thinking about was if a political rally was going on in the area. I doubt he was even aware of (and if he was, didn't care) that Bush was even in the state.
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Maybe he felt now would be a good time to go postal given Bush was just there and so the media circus would also offer better coverage. I could sure swallow that as a reason for the two events being close.
I think you're giving him much too much credit. I still think Bush being in the area was nothing more than a coincidence. It seems fairly clear that the shooter was despondent over personal issues and decided that he was going to suicide himself and in the process, take as many other people along with him as he could and make the news. Frankly, he didn't need to have Bush or any other famous person in the area to get the press together, so as to provide a larger pool of potential reporting and stories. Any shooting like this is guaranteed to get heavy coverage on the news, whether it's Podunk or New York City.
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Just heard that the shooter wanted to be famous (probably another one trying to grab maximum publicity like the Finnish shooter) and the visit by Bush at the time was somewhat related to his actions, though apolitical. Whatever he was really thinking, that it could've looked political at the start did help spur on some more discussion.

Maybe he should've taken some striking poses on MySpace and written a treatise on the state of the world sucking for that extra bit of fame.
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I don't know, I haven't heard very much at all about a possible connection with Bush's visit, but I suppose anything is possible. With someone as emotionally disturbed as this individual seems to have been (from these descriptions), who can say for sure? In any case, here's a recently updated story:
Mall shooter's suicide note: Now I'll be famous

OMAHA, Nebraska (CNN) -- A 19-year-old gunman who police said killed eight people and then himself at a Nebraska mall left a suicide note predicting the shootings would make him famous, his landlord said.

Five other people were injured, and two of them were in critical condition, hospital officials said.

The shootings inside the Von Maur department store at the popular Westroads Mall in Omaha sent panicked holiday shoppers fleeing for cover.

"It was just so loud, and then it was silence," said witness Jennifer Kramer, who hid behind a clothing rack. "I was scared to death he'd be walking around looking for someone else."

Police identified the gunman as Robert A. Hawkins of Bellevue, Nebraska.

Chief Thomas Warren of the Omaha Police Department called the shooting "premeditated," but said it "appears to be very random and without provocation."

Debora Maruca Kovac, Hawkins' landlord, said she found the suicide note after getting a phone call from Hawkins about 1 p.m., just minutes before the shootings.

"He basically said how sorry he was for everything," Maruca Kovac said of the note. "He didn't want to be a burden to people and that he was a piece of s--- all of his life and that now he'd be famous."

She said Hawkins was a friend of her sons and "reminded me of a pound puppy that nobody wanted." He came to live with her about a year and a half ago, telling her he could not stay with his own family because of "some issues with his stepmother."

She described Hawkins as well-behaved, although "he had a lot of emotional problems, obviously."

Maruca Kovac told the Omaha World-Herald that Hawkins showed her an SKS assault rifle the night before the rampage, but she wasn't alarmed.

The shootings began about 1:42 p.m. (2:42 p.m. ET).

Seven people were found dead at the scene by officers who arrived six minutes later; two others, a male and a female, died after being transported to Creighton University Medical Center, said Fire Chief Robert Dahlquist.

Warren said Hawkins' body and the SKS weapon were found on the store's third floor.

Maruca Kovac told CNN that Hawkins left the house Wednesday about 11 a.m., and called the house about two hours later, sounding upset.

"He just said he wanted to thank me for everything I'd done for him ... and he was sorry," Maruca Kovac said. He told her he had gotten fired from his job at a McDonald's restaurant, she said.

"I said, 'Come home and we'll talk about it,' " she recounted. "He said, 'It's too late.' He said he'd left a note explaining everything."

Kramer told CNN she heard at least 25 shots.

"I looked at my mom and said, 'We need to get out of here. Those are gunshots,' " Kramer said. "I just grabbed my mom and we ran to the back of the men's department and hid in some pants racks."

"He just kept firing," she said. She said she called 911 on her cell phone, whispering into it out of fear of being heard. A dispatcher told her other calls had been received and help was on the way, but she said it seemed to take "a long time" for them to arrive.

Mall employee Charissa Tatoon said a man by an escalator near her was heard saying he was calling 911.

"Immediately after that, the shooter shot down from the third floor and shot him on the second floor," she said.

"All of us were slightly confused because we didn't know what it was," Tatoon said. "Immediately after that, there was a series of maybe 20 to 25 more shots up on the third floor."

Warren, the police chief, said the victims included five females and three males, not including Hawkins. The shooting was contained in the Von Maur store, he said.

"We believe there was one shooter, and one shooter only," he said.

Maruca Kovac said Hawkins had been through a rough patch recently.

"When he first came to live with us, he was in the fetal position and chewed his fingernails all the time," she said. But she said she thought he was improving, as he had gotten a job, a haircut and a girlfriend.

However, she said Hawkins and his girlfriend had broken up in the last couple of weeks, and he had taken it hard. Then he got fired from McDonald's on Wednesday.

She said late Wednesday that authorities were searching her house for evidence.

"My kids are devastated," she said. "We're all in shock."

A friend of Hawkins' said he hadn't thought Hawkins was capable of such violence.

"No. No way," Shawn Saunders, who had known Hawkins for about two-and-a-half years, told CNN. "... The Robbie I knew was a lot like me, and I just never thought he'd do something like that.

"He was the one guy, you know, if people would be getting in a fight he'd be trying to break it up," Saunders said. "If there were arguments amongst our friends or groups, he was kind of like the calm, cool and collected one."

A school district spokeswoman said Hawkins attended Papillion-La Vista High School until he withdrew in March 2006. The World-Herald said he later earned his GED.

President Bush had visited Omaha on Wednesday before the shooting.

"The president is deeply saddened by the shootings in Omaha," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. "His thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families."

The shooting was at least the fourth at a mall or shopping center so far this year, following incidents in Salt Lake City, Utah; Kansas City, Missouri; and Douglasville, Georgia.
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