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Snowball thrower could get 2 years in prison

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WAS it good fun with a snowball or a malicious unprovoked attack with an iceball?

A US jury is deciding the fate of Australian Andrew Thistleton who is accused of throwing a snowball at former co-worker Michelle Oehlert at the Copper Mountain ski resort in Colorado on February 3, 2007.

As snow bucketed down, Mr Thistleton arrived yesterday at the small Summit County Court in Breckenridge in the Colorado Rocky Mountains flanked by his mother, Dr Kim Anderson, and his lawyers.

The 21-year-old Sydney University arts student has pleaded not guilty to serious charges of third degree assault and harassment.

Dressed neatly in a dark suit, he sat quietly during the proceedings.

Ms Oehlert, 22, did not sit in the courtroom and is expected to be called today as a prosecution witness.

If convicted Mr Thistleton, a cross country skiing champion, faces up to 18 months jail in a US prison and could be prevented from working or studying in America.

His legal team is arguing that he only lobbed a snowball playfully and it puffed on the victim's jacket.

But Colorado's Fifth District Deputy District Attorney Michael W. V. Angel told the three women and three men jury that they might be asking ''why are we here? Are we here for a snowball fight?''

''If this was a snowball fight we wouldn't be here,'' he said, adding it was not a case of children throwing snowballs or friends having fun.

''It's not a joke to chuck an iceball,'' Mr Angel said, adding the iceball was packed and filled with ice and it was an ''unprovoked attack on an innocent victim''.

Mr Angel told the court that after Mr Thistleton threw the iceball he and his friends followed Ms Oehlert onto a bus where they allegedly muttered ''go home, f..k off, and you don't belong here''.

''It was malicious and he had intent,'' Mr Angel said.

Mr Angel said Mr Thistleton and Ms Oehlert worked together at the Breeze/Max ski rental store in Copper Mountain (now called Left Lake Rentals) from December 2006 until February 2007.

The court heard the pair had a ''history of animosity and they didn't like each other''.

He said the Australian was ''trying to harass her, trying to annoy her, trying to bother her isn't good fun, it wasn't a joke.''

Mr Angel said Ms Oehlert and her boyfriend were waiting for a bus in the employee parking lot in February when ''she felt something smash into her side''.

Jurors heard Ms Oehlert had broken multiple ribs and lacerated her spleen in an accident the year before and Mr Thistleton was aware of her injuries.

His lawyer, Lisa Moses told the jury that Ms Oehlert was unable to identify who had made the comments on the bus.

She said jurors would hear there were some problems with the co-workers and there was some animosity and they didn't always get along because ''she didn't pull her weight'' and would call in sick.

But they would also hear the co-workers were playful.

She also said all the staff at the ski rental store would take snow off the snowboards and other items and playfully throw snowballs at each other in the store.

''She (Ms Oehlert) was a part of that. She was a part of that environment of what they did,'' Ms Moses said.

Ms Moses said Ms Oehlert ''told us that it (the snowball) didn't actually hurt her right then, it didn't hurt her until later''.

''It was a lob of a snowball and that's what the witness will come in and say...(one would say) they saw it puff on the back of this woman's ski jacket''.

Ms Moses also said the jury would hear about motive. She said in February 2007 Ms Oehlert was no longer working at the ski rental store because she had failed to bring in doctors documents concerning time off she had taken.

She told the court Ms Oehlert allegedly said to a manager in the store ''I'll get their jobs, something to that effect''.


She said the snowball throwing incident was ''playful, nothing malicious, nothing mean, not to harass''.

Ms Moses added that after the incident Mr Thistleton ''said to the police officer if I bothered her I'm happy to apologise that is not an assault, that is not harassment.''

The US jury is expected to hear from witnesses overnight before beginning its deliberations which are expected to conclude today.
This lady just might beat John Edwards for biggest douche in the universe. Third degree assault for a SNOWBALL?! :banghead:
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Dude, people have been charged for assault after throwing a pie at someone. I think you can even be charged with assault for spitting at someone.
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Iceballs are a different affair from snowballs and can be genuinely painful in the right place. I hate pricks who compact their balls until they're virtually bunker-busters. Still not worth going to court for, but I wouldn't entirely dismiss it.
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Still sounds like the woman in question is just trying to cause trouble.
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This case is silly in the extreme
1. No physical harm
2. They don't like each other
3. She sounds like the biggest douche in the universe.

But who knows? Maybe some state governor or Bush could win brownie points by pardoning him after he gets convicted of a felony assault by snowball. :D

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One thing is for sure, no one in prison will fuck with this guy.

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Isn't it conveniant that the ice-ball didn't hurt until later, after they had told her to fuck off, hrmm... :roll:
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Darth Wong wrote:Dude, people have been charged for assault after throwing a pie at someone. I think you can even be charged with assault for spitting at someone.
You can be charged with assault for yelling at someone in some states; physical harm is battery. Legally, assault is the immediate threat of force.
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It sounds pretty fucking ridiculous. Sad part is, he probably still broke the law. Felony assault, though? :?
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Darth Wong wrote:Dude, people have been charged for assault after throwing a pie at someone. I think you can even be charged with assault for spitting at someone.
The pie thing is silly, almost as silly as a snowball, unless it was a fucked up pecan pie, because those can hurt. :lol: Ew, or mincemeat.
The spitting, yeah, around here that is definitely assault. IIRC, it is charged as a chemical/biological assault... even just as you say, spitting AT someone. You don't even have to hit them.
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Darth Wong wrote:Dude, people have been charged for assault after throwing a pie at someone. I think you can even be charged with assault for spitting at someone.
You can be charged with assault for yelling at someone in some states; physical harm is battery. Legally, assault is the immediate threat of force.
Which states would these be?
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Well, its not a "state" in the sense you mean, but Canada has laws like that.
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Molyneux wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Dude, people have been charged for assault after throwing a pie at someone. I think you can even be charged with assault for spitting at someone.
You can be charged with assault for yelling at someone in some states; physical harm is battery. Legally, assault is the immediate threat of force.
Which states would these be?
Almost all of them. Assault in most states is the threat of bodily harm, or the attempt to cause bodily harm, or causing bodily harm through recklessness. Battery is the crime of deliberately committing bodily harm. Thus, if one attempts to go beat someone in the head with a tire iron, and does so successfully, one is guilty of assault & battery. If one tries to beat another in the head with a tire iron, but trips, falls, and never gets a good swing off, one is only guilty of assault. Most states treat assault as a misdemeanor, unless it's on a cop.

Being guilty of battery without an assault charge to go with it is nearly impossible though.

Not sure of the exact wording in other states, but in my state:

"240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present
ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another."

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Terralthra wrote:
Molyneux wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: You can be charged with assault for yelling at someone in some states; physical harm is battery. Legally, assault is the immediate threat of force.
Which states would these be?
Almost all of them. Assault in most states is the threat of bodily harm, or the attempt to cause bodily harm, or causing bodily harm through recklessness. Battery is the crime of deliberately committing bodily harm. Thus, if one attempts to go beat someone in the head with a tire iron, and does so successfully, one is guilty of assault & battery. If one tries to beat another in the head with a tire iron, but trips, falls, and never gets a good swing off, one is only guilty of assault. Most states treat assault as a misdemeanor, unless it's on a cop.

Being guilty of battery without an assault charge to go with it is nearly impossible though.

Not sure of the exact wording in other states, but in my state:

"240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present
ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another."

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...so how is yelling at someone considered to be assault?
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...so how is yelling at someone considered to be assault?
Hurt their eardrums? :wink:

I think first off that yelling should not be considered an 'assault', That's ridiculous! If it composed of hate words, fine..charge it as a hate crime and punish on the severity of it. Words with little behind them? Small fine, maybe some community service.

Now this OP story....I'm sorry, but this is so frivilous, I can't believe the potential severity. Up to almost 2 years in prison? Well it's a fucking shame I didn't know this back in the day, because I would have had half the town bullies in jail and gleefully watched them dragged off.

As goddamn usual kids are told to 'tough it up', but a FULL-GROWN adult, needs to sue someone, costing them loads of time and money, AND the potential prison term and criminal record resulting from same, all over a snowball.....that didn't even hurt at the time.

Yeah. That double-standard makes a whole lot of fucking sense.
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Molyneux wrote: ...so how is yelling at someone considered to be assault?
Yelling anything isn't, however, yelling "I'm going to kick your ass until you shit out your mouth!" could be, if the person yelled at has a reasonable belief that the person yelling intends to follow through on the threat, and the capability to do so.
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Terralthra wrote:
Molyneux wrote: ...so how is yelling at someone considered to be assault?
Yelling anything isn't, however, yelling "I'm going to kick your ass until you shit out your mouth!" could be, if the person yelled at has a reasonable belief that the person yelling intends to follow through on the threat, and the capability to do so.
See, that's distinctly different from what was initially said...
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What I'm noticing is it seems to be us Aussies who cop it... touch a woman on the shoulder to get her attention and ask her to stop talking on a mobile phone while in a movie theatre... verbal assault... say Fair Dinkum to an air hostess .. verbal assault... throw a snowball .. physical (and verbal) assault...

And I thought are own courts were full of crap litigation.
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I saw a thing about this on the news last night. Apparently the woman started claiming that he had sexually harassed her before the snowball incident (note that she hadn't mentioned this at all in any of her previous statements), and the Aussie guy's lawyer got the judge to rule it a mistrial. Ain't that fun?
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