Woman Killed By SWAT After Holding Mother Against Her Will

[Schuyler Colfax]

http://www.wftv.com/news/15212151/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- An Orange County woman was shot and killed by a SWAT officer Monday morning after a nearly three-hour standoff.

Delinda Kaneer, 72, called 911 Monday morning around 9:00am and told a dispatcher she was being held against her will inside her home by her daughter, 50-year-old Kim Kaneer. Deputies and SWAT team members were called to the scene along the 4800-block of Darwood Circle to resolve the situation and evacuated two nearby homes.

Investigators said Kim Kaneer was armed, had her mother inside the home against her will and had reportedly fired at least one shot. Nearly three hours into the standoff, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office, Delinda Kaneer was able to leave the home and was heading toward deputies when Kim Kaneer came around the corner carrying a gun, then pointed it at her mother and then deputies.

The sheriff's office said two shooters from the SWAT team fired shots at the daughter. Kim Kaneer was taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center where she died.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is conducting the investigation while the Orange County Sheriff's Office conducts its own concurrently.

This is not going to go over well.

[Agent Fisher]

From the sound of it, the SWAT responded correctly.

[Alferd Packer]

I guess this could be a case of suicide by cop.

[Sidewinder]

I can't imagine someone hating his/her mother so much that he/she'd point a gun at her. Maybe the investigation will reveal that Kim Kaneer was horribly abused as a child, or that Ms. Kaneer was simply batshit insane-- some explanation is due.

[Big Phil]

This is not going to go over well.

Other than the tragic story, what makes you say it's not going to go over well? Is this a case of white cop kills black woman = COPS ARE EVIL? I don't really see any controversy here, at least not based on the facts in the article.

[Dark Hellion]

Man, to live in a world were people based their dumbass kneejerk reactions on the facts. Sigh!

[Napoleon the Clown]

This is not going to go over well.

Other than the tragic story, what makes you say it's not going to go over well? Is this a case of white cop kills black woman = COPS ARE EVIL? I don't really see any controversy here, at least not based on the facts in the article.

Sadly, a lot of people automatically assume that the cops were evil and abusive and shot first without asking questions, even when the person that gets shot is in an armed stand-off. People are stupid.

[Schuyler Colfax]

This is not going to go over well.

Other than the tragic story, what makes you say it's not going to go over well? Is this a case of white cop kills black woman = COPS ARE EVIL? I don't really see any controversy here, at least not based on the facts in the article.

No, it has nothing to do with cops or race, I was referring to the actual investigation.

[Darth Wong]

This is not going to go over well.

Other than the tragic story, what makes you say it's not going to go over well? Is this a case of white cop kills black woman = COPS ARE EVIL? I don't really see any controversy here, at least not based on the facts in the article.

Sadly, a lot of people automatically assume that the cops were evil and abusive and shot first without asking questions, even when the person that gets shot is in an armed stand-off. People are stupid.

Hell, our own Glocksman used to buy into the popular NRA mythology that the FBI deliberately burned down the Branch Davidians' compound in Waco TX and that the FBI was the bad guys. Something about NRA types makes them fall in love with these "cops = eeeeevil" theories.

[The Vortex Empire]

If the woman pointed the gun at other people, then the SWAT team did the right thing.

[Big Phil]

This is not going to go over well.

Other than the tragic story, what makes you say it's not going to go over well? Is this a case of white cop kills black woman = COPS ARE EVIL? I don't really see any controversy here, at least not based on the facts in the article.

No, it has nothing to do with cops or race, I was referring to the actual investigation.

Seems like a good shoot to me; sad, but justified.

[LadyTevar]

Suicide by Cops... but I feel sorry for her mother.

[Stuart]

Hell, our own Glocksman used to buy into the popular NRA mythology that the FBI deliberately burned down the Branch Davidians' compound in Waco TX and that the FBI was the bad guys. Something about NRA types makes them fall in love with these "cops = eeeeevil" theories.

It's not an NRA mythology, its a survivalist movement mythology, some of whose members also belong to the NRA. According to the NRA itself, the largest single professional group making up its numbers are law enforcement officers. That's certainly true up our way, our local chapter and the local police department are virtually identical.

The most commonly expressed NRA members viewpoint is that Waco was a charlie-fox of monumental proportions and a great embarrassment to everybody involved. That also happens to be the opinion of the FBI. The other case that gets quoted is Ruby Ridge and that is also appears to have been a combination of idiocy, corruption in a local police department and an FBI sniper who was too keen on pulling triggers.

As an organization, the NRA is supportive of LEO; I should know, I've been an NRA member for 15 years.

[Schuyler Colfax]

Other than the tragic story, what makes you say it's not going to go over well? Is this a case of white cop kills black woman = COPS ARE EVIL? I don't really see any controversy here, at least not based on the facts in the article.

No, it has nothing to do with cops or race, I was referring to the actual investigation.

Seems like a good shoot to me; sad, but justified.

No, I mean the investigation to why the daughter held the mother hostage.

[Big Phil]

No, I mean the investigation to why the daughter held the mother hostage.

I still have no idea exactly what you think isn't going to go over well. Explain why you "don't think this is going to go over well." No more cryptic six word responses...

[Master of Ossus]

No, I mean the investigation to why the daughter held the mother hostage.

I still have no idea exactly what you think isn't going to go over well. Explain why you "don't think this is going to go over well." No more cryptic six word responses...

Seriously. Are you trying to say that the investigation won't go well because they'll find the daughter was insane/on drugs/nutso/abused/suicidal? Are you trying to say that the police are in trouble for shooting her (seems pretty clear to me that they had to take the shot--she was pointing a gun at people after having fired it!)?

[Schuyler Colfax]

Okay, I am sick of clarifying everything I post in this thread. Let it go, I honestly don't care if you think I'm a dumbass for posting something you didn't even get to begin with. Just drop it.

[Big Phil]

Okay, I am sick of clarifying everything I post in this thread. Let it go, I honestly don't care if you think I'm a dumbass for posting something you didn't even get to begin with. Just drop it.

Goddamit Schuyler, you haven't clarified shit. You've posted the following in this thread:

Post #1: This is not going to go over well.

Post #2: No, it has nothing to do with cops or race, I was referring to the actual investigation.

Post #3: No, I mean the investigation to why the daughter held the mother hostage.

Post #4: Okay, I am sick of clarifying everything I post in this thread. Let it go, I honestly don't care if you think I'm a dumbass for posting something you didn't even get to begin with. Just drop it.

Three cryptic posts and one hissy fit. Just fucking explain rather than throwing a tantrum.

[Superman]

A tragedy to be sure... but what did the police do wrong here?

[Ritterin Sophia]

Okay, I am sick of clarifying everything I post in this thread. Let it go, I honestly don't care if you think I'm a dumbass for posting something you didn't even get to begin with. Just drop it.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Hotel.

You make three vague posts, throw a hissy fit about having to clarify things, and then cop a persecution complex? Way to make sure everyone doesn't forget what a fuckup you are, Elite Pwnage.

[Stuart]

Okay, I am sick of clarifying everything I post in this thread. Let it go, I honestly don't care if you think I'm a dumbass for posting something you didn't even get to begin with. Just drop it.

Schuyler, one of the primary requirements of communications is that the communicator should communicate. You aren't doing that. You've produced three comments.

This is not going to go over well.

From context it is painfully obvious that you think the incident described is going to cause trouble for reasons unspecified. I think you were shaken by the degree to which this community decided to support the police action and deem the shoot justifiable which led to

No, it has nothing to do with cops or race, I was referring to the actual investigation.

This simply doesn't make much sense at all. Again from context it is obvious to a reader that the "investigation" referred to is the Internal Affairs inquiry into the shoot. Again, this community disagreed (quite rightly) and thought that the shoot was not only legitimate, under the circumstances it was inevitable. This revelation led to

No, I mean the investigation to why the daughter held the mother hostage.

This makes even less sense. In fact, this makes no sense at all; why should this particular investigation "not go over well"? It will be part of the background investigation of the incident certainly but only a very minor part. So why the fuss? and why the temper tantrum at the end?

Okay, I am sick of clarifying everything I post in this thread. Let it go, I honestly don't care if you think I'm a dumbass for posting something you didn't even get to begin with. Just drop it.

Teddy really went out of the pram with this didn't he? FYI you have clarified nothing; in fact your comments above became steadily more opaque and ambiiguous as the thread went on. And why didn't we "get" the story? It was a routine story about a tragic incident, one that isn't uncommon. What you got was a series of mature, thoughtful and reflective posts that essentially said this was a tragedy but the perp left the cops with virtually no options other than take the action they did. What was there to "get" that we didn't?

Personal theory. Your motivation was one of the two following possibilities.

1 - You were trying to curry favor with what you perceived as the group dynamic of the board by producing details of a police shooting incident and condemning it; you were shocked by the responses being quite the opposite of the ones you intended and kept trying to backpedal in order to try and win favor within the community. That makes you a chickenshit.

2 - You were playing games by making vague and ambiguously-worded statements so that you could amuse yourself trying to run people in circles. That makes you an asshole.

Could you enlighten us on which one of these applies?

[wjs7744]

Sadly, a lot of people automatically assume that the cops were evil and abusive and shot first without asking questions, even when the person that gets shot is in an armed stand-off. People are stupid.

Indeed. This is a prefect example of why the police (or at least armed responce like SWAT) should have the authority to kill under certain circumstances.