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Another blow to circumcision

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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/96175.php

Circumcision Of HIV Positive Men Does Not Stop Spread Of Virus
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Article Date: 05 Feb 2008 - 3:00 PST

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A new study presented to the 15th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections (CROI) in Boston, USA, yesterday, Monday 4th February, showed that circumcising men after they had acquired HIV did not stop them infecting their partners, and may even have increased the risk.

The study was carried out in the Rakai district of Uganda by Dr Maria Wawer, Professor of Population, Family and Reproductive Health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, and colleagues.

The researchers found that if couples started having intercourse before the circumcision wound in the HIV infected male partner had healed, there was a greater risk of the woman becoming infected.

Wawer and colleagues analysed the results of an intent to treat trial of 165 heterosexual couples. In 94 of the couples the men were circumcised and the rest were controls.

They found that:
The rate of HIV infection of women in the group where the man had been circumcised was slightly higher but not significantly different to that of the control group (13.8 versus 9.6 per 100 person-years, 24 month cumulative rate).

In both groups the infection rate in women was highest in the first six months after the trial start date.

In the group where the men had been circumcised, during the first six months of follow up, 18 couples started having intercourse again at least five days before the wound was officially healed. This led to 5 HIV transmissions to the woman, a rate of 27.8 per cent.

This compared to 63 couples in the circumcision group who waited until at least 5 days after the wound had officially healed before having intercourse again. This resulted in 6 HIV transmissions to the woman, a rate of 9.5 per cent.

The rate of transmission in the first six months of follow up in the control (non circumcision) group was 6 out of 68, or 8.8 per cent, which is on a par with the rate of transmission for the circumcision group subset that waited until the wound had healed before resuming intercourse.
On the positive side, the study showed that circumcision improved the general genitourinary health of the men, even if it did not stop them passing the virus on.

This is an interesting result that stands in sharp contrast to earlier studies in Africa in which it was shown that circumcising men who are not infected with HIV reduces their risk of infection.

Persuading men to become circumcised as a way to protect themselves from HIV is an important strategy that is beginning to take hold in Africa, with public health programs reaching out to villages.

Dr Wawer said circumcision was a clear way of men showing they had taken the step to protect themselves and reduce the spread of AIDS. When the men are bathing together in the river it is clear who has and who has not been circumcised and it is natural that men who are already infected will then want to carry the same mark so as not to stand out from the others.

There appears to be an interesting point here about the timing of circumcision that suggests the earlier the better as far as reducing HIV transmission. Studies have shown that men circumcised before being infected with HIV and then later become infected with HIV still have a lower risk of passing the virus on to their partners. But this study shows that men who are circumcised later, after becoming infected with HIV can't stop the virus from being passed on, and may even have a higher risk of passing it on.

Dr John Mellors, who is co-chairman of the conference's scientific program pointed this out to MedPage Today, saying that it could be something to do with later circumcision "the surgery, something related to that at a later stage of life, tips the balance in favor of the virus being transmitted".
Two things I want to comment on:

"On the positive side, the study showed that circumcision improved the general genitourinary health of the men, even if it did not stop them passing the virus on."

Oh really? And how is this proven pray tell? I'd like to see this. :roll:

"Dr John Mellors, who is co-chairman of the conference's scientific program pointed this out to MedPage Today, saying that it could be something to do with later circumcision "the surgery, something related to that at a later stage of life, tips the balance in favor of the virus being transmitted".[/"

Hint hint: Do it to them while their babies. It's helpful, REALLY.

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How in the heck would post-HIV infection circumcision possibly reduce the risk of transmitting HIV?

HIV is not transmitted via foreskin, it is transmitted via bodily fluids.
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How in the heck would post-HIV infection circumcision possibly reduce the risk of transmitting HIV?

HIV is not transmitted via foreskin, it is transmitted via bodily fluids.
Actually, they seem to have extrapolated the entire circumcision issue as to HIV and made a point to publish that people who are already poz will definitely not gain any benefit to being circumcised. I'm glad enough for THAT info to save the unecessary mangling these poor fools might choose under false pretenses.
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Good point, there. It'll save the desperate from resorting to that.

(When the real answer is wear a condom or don't fuck at all)
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KlavoHunter wrote:How in the heck would post-HIV infection circumcision possibly reduce the risk of transmitting HIV?
Well, adults who get the procedure are likely to stop fucking until it's (at least almost) healed, anyway. That's something, right? ;)

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KlavoHunter wrote:How in the heck would post-HIV infection circumcision possibly reduce the risk of transmitting HIV?

HIV is not transmitted via foreskin, it is transmitted via bodily fluids.
The foreskin apparently gives the virus somewhere to live (i.e. in the natural lubricant) so during sex you're exposing someone to greater risk. How this is supposed to be an argument for circumcision and not condoms is anyone's guess.
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The different mentalities doctors have are strange, the docs tried to save my foreskin when I had some medical problems(too tight, painful during erections) with it, they only removed it completely when the first sugary did not really help.
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Really, cutting off a sensitive piece of skin doesn't stop HIV? I never would have guessed. Next thing you know they'll tell us that Circumcision doesn't stop unwanted pregnancy.
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