Give me an excuse for voting for Bush in 2004

[Darth Wong]

Since the thread in SWvST is locked now, and Ender seems to think that I'm a close-minded bigot for thinking that Bush supporters in 2004 were idiots, could someone explain to me what intelligent reasons there were to vote the man into a second term, unless you were rich and therefore a beneficiary of his policies?

[Vendetta]

Intelligent reasons? You'll be lucky!

Outside of the foaming mouthed fringe of one issue voting, the only reason to vote for Bush was blind partisan loyalty.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Yeah, intelligant answeres arn't to be found...

Back when I was doing canvessing work in the 04 Election for the Democrats in Phx, I knocked on the door of many many Republicans and got VERY interesting answeres... I;'d say about 90% of them boiled down to:

"""If I don't vote for Bush, Terroists will invade America And Gays will marry thus destroying America"""

It sounds wrong, it sounds tupid, it sounds idotic.. But virtually everyone who said they were going to vote for Bush, did so because "If I dont, the Terroists will win."

The closist I ever got to a "thoughtful" answere was this one guy who basically said:

"""I don't like Bush, I think he's hurt America... But... I don't see anything likeable about Kerry"""

There you have it folks!

[Darth Wong]

I know there are people on this forum who voted for Bush in 2004. I'd be curious if any of them would speak up.

[Ender]

Remember, regardless of anything else about them or they may have accomplished, they voted differently from us therefore they are all stupid! Because political beliefs can be as easily proved or disproved as physics, so getting them wrong means you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the universe, and not that your personal value set may persuade you to agree with the Republican platform!

I voted for Kerry myself, but since I was an absentee from IL my vote really got counted for whomever Mayor Daley decided I voted for. So all I can't defending their decision. But the idea that you can slap a label across everything a person has done because of their political decisions is the same idiocy we get from FOX news when they rant about liberals.

[Galvatron]

Because your voting machine was rigged and you hoped your ballot might be counted for Kerry instead?

I got nothing.

[MKSheppard]

Uhm, Guys?

Can I ask a simple question?

How does a Trektardism thread in SW vs ST get derailed into this?

[Darth Wong]

Remember, regardless of anything else about them or they may have accomplished, they voted differently from us therefore they are all stupid! Because political beliefs can be as easily proved or disproved as physics, so getting them wrong means you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the universe, and not that your personal value set may persuade you to agree with the Republican platform!

That's some lovely rhetoric you've got there. I still haven't heard anyone give a single example of an intelligent reason to vote for the man.

I voted for Kerry myself, but since I was an absentee from IL my vote really got counted for whomever Mayor Daley decided I voted for. So all I can't defending their decision. But the idea that you can slap a label across everything a person has done because of their political decisions is the same idiocy we get from FOX news when they rant about liberals.

See above, fucktard. Give me an intelligent reason to vote for the man, and you might have a point. Otherwise, all you're doing is spewing Mindless Middle rhetoric.

[LadyTevar]

Don't ask me... I voted Gore.

[Ted C]

Since the thread in SWvST is locked now, and Ender seems to think that I'm a close-minded bigot for thinking that Bush supporters in 2004 were idiots, could someone explain to me what intelligent reasons there were to vote the man into a second term, unless you were rich and therefore a beneficiary of his policies?

About the only reason I can think of would be wanting a President who would appoint more social conservatives to the Supreme Court. Bush pretty much failed to even be a good conservative on any other issue.

[Alferd Packer]

I think the only objectively sensible reason to vote for him would be if you were rich. A vote Bush would mean that you could A) stay rich through assured less taxation and B) could get even richer with greater ease.

[Darth Wong]

I wonder how common Ender's mindset is, where it's always wrong to make a negative generalization about a large group, even if you actually have a reason for it (which he conveniently ignored by strawmandering my position as "different = stupid").

[Lonestar]

John Kerry looked French. Also, he was married to an heiress and Bush had a nice Good ole Boy accent.

[Darth Wong]

I think the only objectively sensible reason to vote for him would be if you were rich. A vote Bush would mean that you could A) stay rich through assured less taxation and B) could get even richer with greater ease.

I already mentioned that one in the OP. That's the thing; I heard many people give many reasons to vote for Bush back in 2004, and they were all fucking stupid. I don't recall hearing one that wasn't stupid, unless you were rich.

[Shinova]

Here's a humorous one:

Because liberals always complain and try to hurt America instead of doing the right thing.


In an essence, "Liberals are bad, Raaar!!"



I voted Kerry.

[Grog]

Uhm, Guys?

Can I ask a simple question?

How does a Trektardism thread in SW vs ST get derailed into this?

I guess that it has something to do with the fact that trektards apparently often vote for republicans

[Grog]

Turns out I was wrong I think. I'm sorry for wasting your time and bandwidth ignore the previous post by me

[consequences]

I'm a sociopath, and I want a guarantee that I'll be able to shoot people if I join the military.

Alternatively, I come from a low income low education background, and consider risking my life to be worthwhile in exchange for the frankly ridiculous tax-free income that I can rack up in a combat zone(compared to the minimum wage I would get otherwise), plus if I die my family gets $400K. Ratchet up the income and lower the probability of death for the skilled trades heading over there for Halliburton.

I intend to become a field grade officer, and I really need the combat time ticket punched in order to guarantee that.

Hey, I can spin all kinds of self-serving mercenary reasons(and the odd altruistic one if I felt like it) for someone in the military or planning to go into it to vote for him. Civilians, not so much.

[Gaidin]

I think I had a reason that was at least reasonably semi-intelligent in 2004. Hindsight had shown it to be so much shit within a year of that election that I've since buried it in my "I DIDN'T VOTE THAT WAY" self-denial portion of my brain and can't remember it.

[Havok]

Don't ask me... I voted Gore.

2004, not 2000 Tev.

[Lord Poe]

Don't ask me... I voted Gore.

Not in 2004.

Re: the OP. The prevailing opinion I've seen is that Presidents shouldn't be switched out during wartime. That's how many justified their vote in '04, but I'm not sure most of those messages still exist for me to show examples. I do recall reading it on Gene Simmons website as well.

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[Illuminatus Primus]

If its a general and legitimate political principle that management should be maintained in crisis, why do CEOs got tossed when stock prices go down? Americans want to treat candidates and elections too much like goddamn sports teams for which you have "loyalty" and behind whom you "rally." Its fucking stupid. Furthermore, why have term limits or elections at all during wartime if that's a legitimate point of view. Clearly the Constitution implicitly disagrees.

[General Zod]

Not in 2004.

Re: the OP. The prevailing opinion I've seen is that Presidents shouldn't be switched out during wartime. That's how many justified their vote in '04, but I'm not sure most of those messages still exist for me to show examples. I do recall reading it on Gene Simmons website as well.

How does that reasoning follow if the President is on his last term during wartime? It seems a bit shaky to me.

[Darth Wong]

Re: the OP. The prevailing opinion I've seen is that Presidents shouldn't be switched out during wartime. That's how many justified their vote in '04, but I'm not sure most of those messages still exist for me to show examples. I do recall reading it on Gene Simmons website as well.

Ah yes, that's a good reminder: I remember that now. But that's stupid too, because the underlying reasoning is that a change in administration will harm the war effort, but it presumes that the current administration is doing a reasonable job, otherwise logic would suggest that retaining the current administration will also harm the war effort. And there was incontrovertible evidence at the time that the administration had been incompetent in its conduct of this war.

[Superboy]

I have a coworker sitting next to me who voted for Bush in '04. She's now a democrat, but I just asked her if she had an intelligent reason for voting for Bush. She explained it to me thusly:

She was religious. If she were still religious, she'd still vote republican. She believed social issues were the most important issues and so it would have been stupid to vote for a democrat who disagreed with her about morality.