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It's about time something like this happened, but where is the outrage?
Page 1 only copied due to awkwardness of getting the rest; 8 pages in all. wrote:NYPD Inaction Over a Missing Black Woman Found Dead Sparks a Historic Racial-Bias Lawsuit
Police blew off the story of a young black woman who vanished. She was tortured and murdered. Now, a court ruling has reopened the case on bias grounds.
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May 6th, 2008 12:00 AM

Elle Carmichael: She searched hard for her daughter. Police didn't.
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Shortly before 7 p.m. on a spring evening in 2003, 21-year-old Romona Moore told her mother that she was going to the Burger King down the street in their Canarsie neighborhood and would be right back.

After a few hours passed and Romona still hadn't returned home, her mother, Elle Carmichael, was worried.

Romona, you see, was a nerd. Despite her age, this child of a Guyanese immigrant was still living a sheltered life. A Hunter College student, she worked part-time as a receptionist and otherwise hung out in the local library, dreaming of a career in research. Shy and introverted away from her family, she never partied and, as far as her mother knew, had never had a real boyfriend. She didn't have a cell phone, but she always called her mother to tell her where she was and what she was doing.

Romona's mother spent a sleepless night waiting for her to return: "A girl at 21, you never know when she's going to do her first time of sleeping out," Carmichael recalls. "But even if she did—and it would have been the first time in her life—I figured she would have been home by six or seven in the morning."

By 9 a.m. that morning, April 25, it was too much worry for the mother to stand. She called 911, and 30 minutes later, two officers from the 67th Precinct arrived at her Remsen Avenue home. As she remembers it, they told her: "She's 21. We're not supposed to take the report." She begged them, and (out of pity, she believes) the officers took complaint No. 2003-067-65609.

They told Carmichael that if Romona still hadn't returned by seven that night, marking her gone for 24 hours, she should call the precinct. At seven on the dot, Carmichael called the precinct. A detective told her: "Lady, why are you calling here? Your daughter is 21. These officers should not have taken the report in the first place." The next day, April 26, the complaint was marked "closed."


This sort of racism is of course the most blatant in the United States, the systematic refusal to grant the black community its own distinct recognition and at least provide it with the enforcement mechanisms that it requires within itself. But it reflects more, too, a fundamental disinterest in the concerns of a substantial body of citizens by the majority. It is regardless disgusting, and shows at heart the fundamental difference between Republicans and civilized people--the willingness to dismiss the problems of the black community as being their own fault and refusal to aid in what has become the intractable problem of 21st century America.

Doubtless we may say that black people have contributed to their own present position extensively; doubtless, they are in no doubt to some degree at fault. But at the same time we also bear the burden of the programmes which destroyed their families and created the preconditions for this, and more importantly, for the kind of systematic racism which allows a case such as this to happen.

The young lady by all accounts could have been a poster in good standing here, much appreciated by our community--a nerdy girl who happened to live in a poor neighbourhood of New York City, and who was just trying to get by in life and never once had any connection with crime. The savages who took her are certainly of our society's creation, but I am less concerned with them; with luck, they're damned to some place rather worse than the Judeo-Christian Hell.

The lack of response, suitably met by this lawsuit, is nonetheless at the crux of the matter. It shows, and lays bare, what has often been commented upon, the obsessive media response to the kidnapping of white women and the total ignorance when the same happens to blacks. Worse, too, for in this case the death was utterly preventable; the police had five days to act. With most of the noted cases, the woman was dead before the search started.

Remember this; it's a sign of the systematic bankruptcy of America, a country which in every aspect has more claim to the Biblical title of Mystery Babylon the Great, than any other country in the history of the world, something which is always amusing and informative to point out to American Christians. Now, we may admit the title to be a certain amount of hyperbole, for Americans bow down and worship at the altar of Mammon rather than holding racism as their fundamental belief, but it is close enough.


The inescapable fact of American society is that it has failed black people systematically, and substantial parts of this society plan to attribute this failure, and actively do, on black people themselves. In doing so, they mask the irrelevancy of their own comments: It does matter who is at fault. We try to save even idiots who go swimming in raging torrents of rivers, or who crash cars at a hundred miles an hour; the point is that whether by inaction or systematic malice, we've failed, and we've chosen to stand by and continue to fail, while sanctimoniously dressing up our racist cruelties in the guise of high-minded, self-sufficient idealism.
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People of lower social class and "incorrect" race have been looked down on all cultures across all of history. You're not really saying what anyone intelligent already knows. I'm sure we'll fix this problem as soon as we fix human stupidity.
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Having dealt with the NYPD a couple of times in Brooklyn I don't know how much is racisim and how much is staggering incompetence.

NYPD polices through presence and numbers, not by having police officers do stuff. And while comparing this case to the case of a wealthy white woman on the UES is telling, I don't know that a person of any race could expect that unless they bring a lot of political pressure to bear.
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Yogi wrote:People of lower social class and "incorrect" race have been looked down on all cultures across all of history. You're not really saying what anyone intelligent already knows. I'm sure we'll fix this problem as soon as we fix human stupidity.
No, skin-based racism is an innovation of the past 500 years which need never have existed.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:No, skin-based racism is an innovation of the past 500 years which need never have existed.
That reminds me of the Martin Lawrence film Black Knight. He time-travels to medieval England, and the people there look down upon him not because he's black, but because he's a foreigner, and that stops once he is accepted as a member of the royal court. This is actually historically accurate.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:No, skin-based racism is an innovation of the past 500 years which need never have existed.
I'm pretty sure that the Chinese have been calling everyone else inferior barbarians for quite some time now, but that's not the point. People will hate each other for the most stupid idiotic things. If it's not racism it's always something else. Prior to 500 years ago, people had no problems in killing each other.

Also, consider the fact that if you look at all the countries in the world, race relations in America are actually better than a lot of other countries (such as all of East Asia). THAT'S depressing.
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Adrian Laguna wrote:That reminds me of the Martin Lawrence film Black Knight. He time-travels to medieval England, and the people there look down upon him not because he's black, but because he's a foreigner, and that stops once he is accepted as a member of the royal court. This is actually historically accurate.
If I remember something i heard correctly, the person considered to be the first European knight was a black Roman officer.
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The hold up in the NYPD investigation was because she was 21. Not because she was black. This is pretty common throughtout most departments in the nation.

When you're over 18 you are an adult who can do what you want without having to tell anyone.
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Rephase - While racism could be a motivator it would be difficult to detect because this is common practice with persons who go missing who are over 18. The reason being is it happens on a regular basis.
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Didn't we have an article in N&P about a housewife whose SUV fell down a cliff and she lay there half-dead for almost a week before being found? IIRC the husband filed a missing person report and the police didn't really do much of anything.
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MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:
Adrian Laguna wrote:That reminds me of the Martin Lawrence film Black Knight. He time-travels to medieval England, and the people there look down upon him not because he's black, but because he's a foreigner, and that stops once he is accepted as a member of the royal court. This is actually historically accurate.
If I remember something i heard correctly, the person considered to be the first European knight was a black Roman officer.
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Mauricius couldn't have been a knight, and his whole existence is very debatable. There never was a theban legion.

As for dark-skinned people, Emperor Pertinax was accused of being black and therefore non-roman. Still , he would be the first child of mixed ancestry to become an emperor, if the story is true. However, most likely he just had some phoenician blood in him.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:The hold up in the NYPD investigation was because she was 21. Not because she was black. This is pretty common throughtout most departments in the nation.

When you're over 18 you are an adult who can do what you want without having to tell anyone.
Its an excuse. Nothing more. Any competent police officer knows that if someone does go missing the clock is fucking ticking, they would also know that, because this girl did not go out much, the probability that she decided to do so without telling anyone was low. The only reason for this is racism and resulting willful negligence, or mind-boggling incompetence, take your pick. They are both lawsuit worthy
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:The hold up in the NYPD investigation was because she was 21. Not because she was black. This is pretty common throughtout most departments in the nation.

When you're over 18 you are an adult who can do what you want without having to tell anyone.
Its an excuse. Nothing more. Any competent police officer knows that if someone does go missing the clock is fucking ticking, they would also know that, because this girl did not go out much, the probability that she decided to do so without telling anyone was low. The only reason for this is racism and resulting willful negligence, or mind-boggling incompetence, take your pick. They are both lawsuit worthy
No, it's a policy built upon decades of experience from competent police officers. Also, the article the Duchess linked states as much.

Now, I was quick to say that this wasn't racism, but you'll need more information other than something that was within fucking policy.

In order for an investigation to be opened on an adult there needs to be another factor that makes the situation suspicious.
Cops do have reason to be skeptical of missing-persons complaints. The overwhelming majority of such cases—7,000 a year, or nearly 20 a day—are said to be runaways who don't want to be found.
Do you think the police have the manpower to seriously investigate 20 missing persons report a day without something that indicates that she was in danger.
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As an alumnus of Hunter College, I know about the outrage that is the Romona Moore case, and the sad joke that is the NYPD (confirmed by my own experiences with them). And while I'm not sure if this was racism as much as utter incompetence on the part of the NYPD, the case is an utter and complete disgrace that should be paraded as much as the Sean Bell shooting, but instead got less publicity than when an acquaintance jumped off the roof.

This was a subject that strikes close to home. And I will not have this thread derailed by the outbursts of an snot-nosed intellectual midget with delusions of literacy, who has failed first-grade level reading comprehension.

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fgalkin wrote:As an alumnus of Hunter College, I know about the outrage that is the Romona Moore case, and the sad joke that is the NYPD (confirmed by my own experiences with them). And while I'm not sure if this was racism as much as utter incompetence on the part of the NYPD, the case is an utter and complete disgrace that should be paraded as much as the Sean Bell shooting, but instead got less publicity than when an acquaintance jumped off the roof.
Okay, you say it's incompetence. How? What was NYPD told that would have made this different from the other 19 missing persons, on average, that they receive? What was the indicator that she was actually in danger, and not just trying to get away from her mother?
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fgalkin wrote:As an alumnus of Hunter College, I know about the outrage that is the Romona Moore case, and the sad joke that is the NYPD (confirmed by my own experiences with them). And while I'm not sure if this was racism as much as utter incompetence on the part of the NYPD, the case is an utter and complete disgrace that should be paraded as much as the Sean Bell shooting, but instead got less publicity than when an acquaintance jumped off the roof.
Okay, you say it's incompetence. How? What was NYPD told that would have made this different from the other 19 missing persons, on average, that they receive? What was the indicator that she was actually in danger, and not just trying to get away from her mother?
The fact that such behavior was extremely out of character for her, as I'm sure her mother had inisted (and which would have been confirmed by others had they only bothered to check)?

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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Its an excuse. Nothing more. Any competent police officer knows that if someone does go missing the clock is fucking ticking, they would also know that, because this girl did not go out much, the probability that she decided to do so without telling anyone was low. The only reason for this is racism and resulting willful negligence, or mind-boggling incompetence, take your pick. They are both lawsuit worthy
So if you go to Vegas with a boyfriend and don't tell your moma, she should call the cops and the cops and the city you live in should shell out shit loads of money to look for you? Or for a more practical example; remember the missing bride a few years ago?
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Its an excuse. Nothing more. Any competent police officer knows that if someone does go missing the clock is fucking ticking, they would also know that, because this girl did not go out much, the probability that she decided to do so without telling anyone was low. The only reason for this is racism and resulting willful negligence, or mind-boggling incompetence, take your pick. They are both lawsuit worthy
So if you go to Vegas with a boyfriend and don't tell your moma, she should call the cops and the cops and the city you live in should shell out shit loads of money to look for you? Or for a more practical example; remember the missing bride a few years ago?
The fact they DID launch a MASSIVE manhunt for that missing bride should tell you something is wrong. She was white, of course.
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The fact they DID launch a MASSIVE manhunt for that missing bride should tell you something is wrong. She was white, of course.
There are other differences besides the color of their skin. Are you considering these factors?

The details of how they went missing are different, and on top of that they are from two different states with two different missing person requirements.
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The fact they DID launch a MASSIVE manhunt for that missing bride should tell you something is wrong. She was white, of course.
There are other differences besides the color of their skin. Are you considering these factors?

The details of how they went missing are different, and on top of that they are from two different states with two different missing person requirements.
Which may mean that the requirements of at least one state are wrong, yes?

Anyway, it was completely out of character for her. If she'd had a history of problems or leaving the house for a long time, yeah, brush it off. But this girl? It should have been obvious from her mother's report that something was amiss.
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The fact they DID launch a MASSIVE manhunt for that missing bride should tell you something is wrong. She was white, of course.
There are other differences besides the color of their skin. Are you considering these factors?

The details of how they went missing are different, and on top of that they are from two different states with two different missing person requirements.
NYPD handled both investigations, so they aren't from two different states and while Romona was 21, Svetlana Aronov was 44 and a massive man-hunt was launched after 1 day.
The real kick in the teeth is at the end of the article.
Detective Wayne Carey has since been removed from the 67th Precinct. He was promoted to the Brooklyn South Homicide task force for helping to solve Romona's murder.
A murder which shouldn't have been allowed to occur and which Carey refused to accept even occurred until after the family found her body
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fgalkin wrote:
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fgalkin wrote:As an alumnus of Hunter College, I know about the outrage that is the Romona Moore case, and the sad joke that is the NYPD (confirmed by my own experiences with them). And while I'm not sure if this was racism as much as utter incompetence on the part of the NYPD, the case is an utter and complete disgrace that should be paraded as much as the Sean Bell shooting, but instead got less publicity than when an acquaintance jumped off the roof.
Okay, you say it's incompetence. How? What was NYPD told that would have made this different from the other 19 missing persons, on average, that they receive? What was the indicator that she was actually in danger, and not just trying to get away from her mother?
The fact that such behavior was extremely out of character for her, as I'm sure her mother had inisted (and which would have been confirmed by others had they only bothered to check)?

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Similar thing happened three years ago in Yonkers. Man who was a partner at a law firm suffered a mental breakdown and bolted. Six months later they found him suffering from amnesia in a homeless shelter in Chicago. Just because someone acts in an out-of-character manner does not mean that foul play is afoot.
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Nonetheless, someone should've been called to bring those folks who've gone bonkers back to their family and loved ones, dontcha think so?
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Which may mean that the requirements of at least one state are wrong, yes?
I'd be happy to see new policies that give the family members of a missing person a bit more credibility. However, due to the large number of missing person complaints that are actually people who run away of their own free a department needs to have requirements so they don't waste resources.

I'd like to point out that after the waiting period they launched a massive search for Ms. Moore.

However, this does not prove that it was a matter of racism, or money since both persons have entirely different circumstances. It might be a matter of age since it is fairly common for women her age to run away. Even the other lady listed in the article you linked have different circumstances...
Anyway, it was completely out of character for her. If she'd had a history of problems or leaving the house for a long time, yeah, brush it off. But this girl? It should have been obvious from her mother's report that something was amiss.
How many of the average 20 missing person complaints do you think the person swears it's out of character? This is why they have a waiting period for non-suspicious missing persons.
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