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McCain's plan: Tax Cuts Uber Alles!

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In this HuffPo article, it is said that McCain will offer tax cuts that dwarf the current Bush cuts. Apparantly the eventual goal is the elimination of Social Security and Medicare...

I hold in my hand one of the most important pieces of paper in America: Table T08-0071, an analysis of candidate John McCain's tax plan.

OK, it's not really in my hand because I'm typing, but I'm looking at it carefully, and you should too. It is a table constructed by the Tax Policy Center's steely-eyed tax analysts, and it reveals nothing less than McCain's secret plan to diminish the US government beyond recognition. If he gets his way, conservatives will finally be able to say they've achieved the goal set out by Grover Norquist: to get government "down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

The numbers in the table show the revenue loss to the Federal government from McCain's proposed tax cuts. In the far right corner is the 10-year total: -$5.7 trillion.

People deride the Republican candidate as "McSame," implying a continuation of Bushonomics as well as the president's foreign policy. But from the perspective of domestic policy, it's much worse. Sure, McCain extends the Bush tax cuts but that's the least of it. At $1.7 trillion they amount to less than a third of the damage.

Note also that the big ticket tax cuts-eliminating the alternative minimum tax and lowering the corporate tax-both follow on another Bush tradition of exacerbating market-driven (i.e., pre-tax) inequalities by cutting high-end taxes the most.

As I stresshere , McCain's plans to pay for these tax cuts amount to filling a crater with a teaspoon of sand. Earmarks won't get you there, so he'll have to go after discretionary spending. In fact, he's already suggesting a freeze in such spending, excluding defense, of course. Sound inoffensive until you consider that we're talking about kids' health care, education, child care, training for displaced workers, environmental and labor protections, and dozens more programs that lots of people actually need and care about.

Plus, he can't fill the hole he's dug with cuts in these programs either, which leads you to the inevitable punch line of all this: his target is the entitlements, Social Security and Medicare. Those programs have always been the big enchiladas for the Norquist shock troops and they've never recovered from their Social Security privatization defeat. Well, they're back, incognito.

McCain's top economist, a number cruncher of great integrity named Doug Holtz-Eakin, responds to the Tax Policy's analysis here, and he makes a good point or two, especially regarding the way they score the AMT, but his counterpoints amount to little more than quibbles. In fact, one can't help wonder if Doug, who used to inveigh against supply-side nonsense, has been drawn to the economic dark side. When recently asked about the extent to which these numbers fail to add up, his response was: "I think what [critics] ought to do is remember that the proposals are going to engender economic growth, which is the best thing you can do for near-term budget improvement." That's pure hand waving of the type with which the old Holtz-Eakin had no patience.

This story has yet to catch the fire it should, and hopefully will, once the D's get focused on McCain and his dim vision of government. But the point born of these numbers is as simple as it is compelling:

For seven long years, we've tried entrusting our government to those who discredit it, defund it, and fundamentally disbelieve in its role, except when they seek a lucrative contract or a bailout. We gone down the road-and it is a crumbling road, with potholes and failing bridges -- where the solution to every problem is a tax cut, where critical agencies are staffed with cronies at best and opposition lobbyists at worst, where secrecy trumps transparency and cynicism rules, where budget resources are never available for expanding children's health care, but always there for war.

Table T08-0071 is a road map to taking us far, far deeper into this morass. We must not go there.
Here is the document, Table T08-0071.

For the curious, here is the Wikipedia entry on Grover Norquist, an anti-tax lobbyist mentioned in the article . Here are some interesting insights into him, the guy that is having a major influence on Republican thought since the Reagan era:
The Americans for Tax Reform mission statement is "The government's power to control one's life derives from its power to tax. We believe that power should be minimized."[17]

The pledge of "no new taxes" that many Republican legislators have signed was his project. As of mid-2005, more than two hundred and twenty Republicans in the House of Representatives had signed this pledge; in the Senate, forty-six Republicans had done so.[13]

"Cutting the government in half in one generation is both an ambitious and reasonable goal," Norquist stated in May 2000. "If we work hard we will accomplish this and more by 2025. Then the conservative movement can set a new goal. I have a recommendation: To cut government in half again by 2050".[18] To that end, Norquist has been noted for his widely quoted quip: "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."[19]

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When asked by Alain de Botton, "Why shouldn't the state help the needy?", in the television adaptation of Status Anxiety, Norquist replied, "Because to do that, you would have to steal money from people who earned it and give it to people who didn't. And then you make the state into a thief." Botton follows with, "You're suggesting that taxation is theft?" Norquist continues, "Taxation beyond the legitimate requirements of providing for justice is theft, sure."
Those of you who feel that the philosophy of "voting for McCain so we can push it to the worst and then people will eagerly accept change" may want to consider the ramifications of someone like this getting his philosophies in place. True, McCain would only be able to get 'so far' before Congress or someone puts the brakes on this, but the House & Senate both are too closely divided to provide a definite one-shot smackdown of this foolishness-- it'll come up again and again, in different forms, and like erosion it will continue to ebb away at, well, everything.
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When asked by Alain de Botton, "Why shouldn't the state help the needy?", in the television adaptation of Status Anxiety, Norquist replied, "Because to do that, you would have to steal money from people who earned it and give it to people who didn't. And then you make the state into a thief." Botton follows with, "You're suggesting that taxation is theft?" Norquist continues, "Taxation beyond the legitimate requirements of providing for justice is theft, sure."
And again, the tired argument pitting society as an adversarial struggle rather than a cooperative enterprise —which is simply a smokescreen for cementing plutocracy as the organising principle for society. After which it will indeed by an adversarial struggle and one bound to end very badly. But not for many years before the balance of the citizenry have been reduced to penury. Either Norquist is a liar or an imbecile to deny the ultimate logical conclusion of the policy pathway he is pushing.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
When asked by Alain de Botton, "Why shouldn't the state help the needy?", in the television adaptation of Status Anxiety, Norquist replied, "Because to do that, you would have to steal money from people who earned it and give it to people who didn't. And then you make the state into a thief." Botton follows with, "You're suggesting that taxation is theft?" Norquist continues, "Taxation beyond the legitimate requirements of providing for justice is theft, sure."
And again, the tired argument pitting society as an adversarial struggle rather than a cooperative enterprise —which is simply a smokescreen for cementing plutocracy as the organising principle for society. After which it will indeed by an adversarial struggle and one bound to end very badly. But not for many years before the balance of the citizenry have been reduced to penury. Either Norquist is a liar or an imbecile to deny the ultimate logical conclusion of the policy pathway he is pushing.
I lean toward "sociopath" myself. For a lot of people, empathy and concern for the welfare of others simply has no place in ethics. This is the mind-space of people like Ayn Rand and Norquist, who view ethics exclusively as a clash between competing individuals' rights.
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And they will lower the spending too?
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It gets even better.
Look at McCain's health reform plans.

The centerpiece is a $5000 tax credit per family ($2500 for single people) to purchase private plans.
Never mind that if you can find good family coverage health insurance for only $5k/yr, you're just about the luckiest SOB on the planet.

And how does he propose to pay for this?
Why, by eliminating the tax credits for employer provided health insurance. :roll:
In other words, if your insurance costs your employer $12k per year, you'll now owe taxes on that $12k.

Fuck you John McCain. :finger:
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Gustav32Vasa wrote:And they will lower the spending too?
In the article, it is pointed out that they would correspondingly lower spending by simply phasing out just about all government spending except defense.
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Two questions:

1. Has anyone done a line-by-line critique of McCain's policies, pointing out things like "adding $5.7 trillion in debt will destroy the economy."

2. Does the public care? Obviously to some degree they do, but is it possible for Obama to create a criticism of McCain's plan that people don't get bored of (i.e., can he boil the criticism down to something like "voodoo economics" or "tax and spend" so that it resonates with people?)
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SancheztheWhaler wrote:Two questions:

1. Has anyone done a line-by-line critique of McCain's policies, pointing out things like "adding $5.7 trillion in debt will destroy the economy."

2. Does the public care? Obviously to some degree they do, but is it possible for Obama to create a criticism of McCain's plan that people don't get bored of (i.e., can he boil the criticism down to something like "voodoo economics" or "tax and spend" so that it resonates with people?)
Let's face it, for most people, and that includes even normally politically aware or concerned people, once you get too deep into economics the mind starts to numb, the eyes glaze over, and they start heading for the bean dip. The things that make politics go round is also boring and tedious, and that's what the powers-that-be count on-- public apathy and misunderstanding.

McCain's dream sheet of eliminating much of government will remain a pipe dream, even if he gets in power and gets a majority of Republicans in the gov't, it won't happen because the Republicans are as addicted to pork as anyone else. But it will be a sad day in thie country indeed when we rely on porkbarrel spending to justify keeping the tax and services economic structure afloat.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Coyote wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:Two questions:

1. Has anyone done a line-by-line critique of McCain's policies, pointing out things like "adding $5.7 trillion in debt will destroy the economy."

2. Does the public care? Obviously to some degree they do, but is it possible for Obama to create a criticism of McCain's plan that people don't get bored of (i.e., can he boil the criticism down to something like "voodoo economics" or "tax and spend" so that it resonates with people?)
Let's face it, for most people, and that includes even normally politically aware or concerned people, once you get too deep into economics the mind starts to numb, the eyes glaze over, and they start heading for the bean dip. The things that make politics go round is also boring and tedious, and that's what the powers-that-be count on-- public apathy and misunderstanding.

McCain's dream sheet of eliminating much of government will remain a pipe dream, even if he gets in power and gets a majority of Republicans in the gov't, it won't happen because the Republicans are as addicted to pork as anyone else. But it will be a sad day in thie country indeed when we rely on porkbarrel spending to justify keeping the tax and services economic structure afloat.
And that's the problem; attacking and criticizing this plan just takes too much time. I fear something like this:

McCain: We must cut taxes!
Public: Yay! Cut taxes!
Obama: You'll lose Social Security and Medicare if you cut taxes
Public: Oh yeah, we need Social Security and Medicare. Boo McCain!
McCain: You'll keep Social Security and Medicare along with the tax cuts (wink, wink)
Public: Yay! We get to have our cake and eat it too!
Obama: That's not actually true. What will happen is that our debt will end up growing
Public: Shut up! We're voting McCain! When does the new season of American Idol start?
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SancheztheWhaler wrote: McCain: We must cut taxes!
Public: Yay! Cut taxes!
Obama: You'll lose Social Security and Medicare if you cut taxes
Public: Oh yeah, we need Social Security and Medicare. Boo McCain!
McCain: You'll keep Social Security and Medicare along with the tax cuts (wink, wink)
Public: Yay! We get to have our cake and eat it too!
Obama: That's not actually true. What will happen is that our debt will end up growing
Public: Shut up! We're voting McCain! When does the new season of American Idol start?
Gee, thanks a lot. Now I can pretty much just sit out the election!

Seriously, yeah, that's about the way it typically goes. I hope this time it's different, but... well...
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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A big part of the problem is the media's inability to call bullshit when they see bullshit, a la http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=122302.

If newspapers and pundits made it a habit to call bullshit on plans when they saw it, rather than simply reporting on McCain's black baby and Obama's America-hating preacher, it would help.
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SancheztheWhaler wrote:A big part of the problem is the media's inability to call bullshit when they see bullshit, a la http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=122302.

If newspapers and pundits made it a habit to call bullshit on plans when they saw it, rather than simply reporting on McCain's black baby and Obama's America-hating preacher, it would help.
Facts don't sell media. Media is a business, not an information-providing service. Tales of scandal, corruption, and other political bodice-rippers make more money than grey, dull facts. The media is the fox guarding the henhouse, unfortunately.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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As long as journalism is a for-profit business, this is what you're going to get. But we can't question the profit model, right? It's the free market at work, baby!
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Darth Wong wrote:As long as journalism is a for-profit business, this is what you're going to get. But we can't question the profit model, right? It's the free market at work, baby!
While journalism has always been a for-profit business, the development of multimedia empires, with one company owning large numbers of newspapers or cross-media companies, is the real travesty. But as long as you had a "liberal" newspaper and a "conservative" newspaper, each printing slander about the other side, you had some semblance of balance. Now, with single entity ownership of large numbers of companies, you only get one side (i.e., Faux Noise), not that this is anything you all don't understand.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:
When asked by Alain de Botton, "Why shouldn't the state help the needy?", in the television adaptation of Status Anxiety, Norquist replied, "Because to do that, you would have to steal money from people who earned it and give it to people who didn't. And then you make the state into a thief." Botton follows with, "You're suggesting that taxation is theft?" Norquist continues, "Taxation beyond the legitimate requirements of providing for justice is theft, sure."
And again, the tired argument pitting society as an adversarial struggle rather than a cooperative enterprise —which is simply a smokescreen for cementing plutocracy as the organising principle for society. After which it will indeed by an adversarial struggle and one bound to end very badly. But not for many years before the balance of the citizenry have been reduced to penury. Either Norquist is a liar or an imbecile to deny the ultimate logical conclusion of the policy pathway he is pushing.
I lean toward "sociopath" myself. For a lot of people, empathy and concern for the welfare of others simply has no place in ethics. This is the mind-space of people like Ayn Rand and Norquist, who view ethics exclusively as a clash between competing individuals' rights.
To draw an apropos analogy: in Norquist-World, if a man fell off a cruise ship into shark-infested waters, it would be wrong to stop the ship and rescue the guy since to do so would not only encourage his dependence upon the ship, but steal cruise-time from those who were responsible enough not to fall overboard.
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In the view of those nuts, denying medicine to a dying person is perfectly okay. After all, why should someone bear the costs of healing a person who suffered an incident which can be fatal? Uh-nuh, no way you can punish success. Plutocracy uber alles.
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