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Guess The Quote Subject! GOP or Mob!

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We funneled it through the channel in Florida because that's the contact we had.
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The bundle of $2,300 and $4,600 checks that poured into Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign on March 12 came from an unlikely group of California donors: a mechanic from D&D Auto Repair in Whittier, the manager of Rite Aid Pharmacy No. 5727, the 30-something owners of the Twilight Hookah Lounge in Fullerton.

But the man who gathered checks from them is no stranger to McCain -- he shuttled the Republican on his private plane and held a fundraising event for the candidate at his house in Delray Beach, Fla.

Harry Sargeant III, a former naval officer and the owner of an oil-trading company that recently inked defense contracts potentially worth more than $1 billion, is the archetype of a modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East and the former chief of the CIA's bin Laden unit -- who now serves as a consultant to his company -- Sargeant has raised more than $100,000 for three presidential candidates from a collection of ordinary people, several of whom professed little interest in the outcome of the election.

After initially helping to raise money for former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, a Republican, and Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Sargeant, 50, has emerged as a major player in Florida fundraising for McCain. He has also become a conduit between McCain and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R), who was Sargeant's college fraternity brother and remains a close friend.

Crist, a beneficiary of Sargeant's fundraising network, said he saw nothing unusual in its breadth. "I was not surprised, but I certainly was grateful for his and his family's efforts," he said, adding that he anticipates Sargeant assisting McCain not only with fundraising but also with advice on military affairs and the economy. "He's been enormously helpful . . . already," Crist said.

The 2008 presidential campaign, which could see each side spend close to $500 million, has heightened the importance of "bundlers" such as Sargeant, who not only write checks themselves but also recruit scores of other donors to give the legal limit of $2,300. Questions about such donor networks have repeatedly emerged as points of stress for the campaigns.

In January, Norman Hsu, a top Clinton bundler, was indicted in part on charges of circumventing legal giving limits by routing contributions though "straw donors." Earlier this week, McCain drew questions about more than $60,000 in donations that were made this year to the Republican National Committee and his campaign by an office manager with the Hess oil company and her husband, an Amtrak track foreman. In that case, the couple said they used their own money.

Some of the most prolific givers in Sargeant's network live in modest homes in Southern California's Inland Empire. Most had never given a political contribution before being contacted by Sargeant or his associates. Most said they have never voiced much interest in politics. And in several instances, they had never registered to vote. And yet, records show, some families have ponied up as much as $18,400 for various candidates between December and March.

Both Sargeant and the donors were vague when asked to explain how Sargeant persuaded them to give away so much money.

"I have a lot of Arab business partners. I do a lot of business in the Middle East. I've got a lot of friends," Sargeant said in a telephone interview yesterday. "I ask my friends to support candidates that I think are worthy of supporting. They usually come through for me."

Sargeant's business relationships, and the work they perform together, occur away from the public eye. His firm, International Oil Trading Co. (IOTC), holds several lucrative contracts with the Defense Department to carry fuel to the U.S. military in Iraq.

"It is very difficult and is a very logistically intensive business that we have been able to specialize in," Sargeant said. "We do difficult logistical things that don't necessarily suit a major oil company. It's a niche we've been able to occupy."

The work has not been without controversy. Last month, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) initiated a review of IOTC's contract to determine whether it was overcharging the military for jet fuel, and to learn how the company, which did not submit the lowest bid, landed the contract to supply the fuel. The Pentagon has said that IOTC won the contract because it was the only company with a "letter of authorization" from the Jordanian government to move the fuel across its territory to Iraq.

Sargeant said he has met with Waxman. "We plan to cooperate fully," he said. "Everything we have done on this contract has been in the best interest of the military and the U.S. taxpayers."

Sargeant said the same people who have helped him build relationships around the world also helped him create a vast network. In recruiting some donors, he confirmed he had help from a business associate who formerly was a top counterterrorism official in the CIA.

A review of state and federal campaign finance records found that this collection of donors has been activated four times. Their names -- confirmed by Sargeant -- first appeared in finance records on June 19, 2006, when about 50 of them each donated $500 to Crist's gubernatorial campaign. Sargeant helped lead fundraising for Crist that year.

Thirteen of the donors resurfaced on Dec. 13, 2007, sending a combined $29,200 to Giuliani's campaign at a time when Sargeant was heading up fundraising efforts in Florida for the former mayor. Seventeen of them sent the maximum allowed, $2,300, to Clinton's presidential campaign on Dec. 24. And a dozen of them returned in March to write checks to McCain totaling $50,600.

Brian Rogers, a McCain campaign spokesman, said: "We strictly follow campaign finance law, and where flags are raised, we'll certainly look into it."

Donors reached by phone or interviewed in person declined to explain who asked them to make the contributions.

Ibrahim Marabeh, who is listed in public records as a Rite Aid manager, at first denied that he wrote any political checks. He then said he was asked by "a local person. But I would like not to talk about it anymore." Neither he nor his wife is registered to vote, but the two donated $4,600 to Clinton and $4,600 to Giuliani in December.

At the Twilight Hookah Lounge, owned by Nadia and Shawn Abdalla, patrons smoke tobacco flavored with honey and fruit from a menu that includes the strawberry-flavored Sex on the Beach and the strong, orange-flavored Fuzzy Navel.

The Abdallas, who are not registered to vote, said in an interview that they recalled writing a check to an organization in Miami, because a person with that organization was a friend of their mother's. They said they could not remember his name.

Nader, 39, and Sahar Alhawash, 28, of Colton, Calif, who at one point ran the Avon Village Liquor store, donated a total of $18,400 to Giuliani, Clinton and McCain between December and March. About 80 people in the country made such large contributions to all three, and most were wealthy business executives, such as Donald Trump. The Alhawashes declined to comment about the donations. Abdullah Abdullah, a supervisor at several Taco Bell restaurants in the Riverside area, and his wife have donated $9,200 to McCain.

Reached at work, Abdullah said he knows little about the campaign. "I have no idea. I'll be honest with you," he said. "I'm involved in the restaurant business. My brother Faisal recommended John McCain. Whenever he makes a recommendation, we do it."

Faisal Abdullah, 49, said he helped organize all of the contributions from members of his family. When he was asked who solicited the contributions from him, he said: "Why does it matter who? I'm telling you we made the contribution. We funneled it through the channel in Florida because that's the contact we had. I was responsible for collecting it."
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Whilst this appears to violate the spirit of political donations, unless the money is coming from some source other than the donors, it actually just looks like the old Fool and his Money thing. People will give money to whoever they're told, in quite large sums, for no good personal reason.
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Vendetta wrote:Whilst this appears to violate the spirit of political donations, unless the money is coming from some source other than the donors, it actually just looks like the old Fool and his Money thing. People will give money to whoever they're told, in quite large sums, for no good personal reason.
Let's just say that when someone with a $30k annual income, who isn't even registered to vote, has no prior history of political involvement, and just coincidentally works for a company owned by a maxed out McCain supporter decides to give 20% of their family's income to any political campaign, it'd raise some very legitimate questions about who's really providing the money.

Which is a long winded way of saying this doesn't pass the smell test and needs to be investigated further.
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Maybe you should quote the corrected article too? The original one was terribly so terribly inaccurate, after all:
An earlier version of this story about campaign donations that Florida businessman Harry Sargeant III raised for Sen. John McCain, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton incorrectly identified three individuals as being among the donors Sargeant solicited on behalf of McCain. Those donors -- Rite Aid manager Ibrahim Marabeh, and lounge owners Nadia and Shawn Abdalla -- wrote checks to Giuliani and Clinton, not McCain. Also, the first name of Faisal Abdullah, a McCain donor, was misspelled in some versions of the story.
Staff writer Ashley Surdin in Los Angeles and research director Lucy Shackelford, research editor Alice Crites and staff researcher Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.
One would think that with four contributors, not including the author of the column, they could be a little more than 25% accurate in their opening graf...
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So, it's safe to assume that laundering campaign contributions is illegal, right? I wonder why I haven't seen this story in more places than the WP.
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gizmojumpjet wrote:Maybe you should quote the corrected article too? The original one was terribly so terribly inaccurate, after all:
An earlier version of this story about campaign donations that Florida businessman Harry Sargeant III raised for Sen. John McCain, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton incorrectly identified three individuals as being among the donors Sargeant solicited on behalf of McCain. Those donors -- Rite Aid manager Ibrahim Marabeh, and lounge owners Nadia and Shawn Abdalla -- wrote checks to Giuliani and Clinton, not McCain. Also, the first name of Faisal Abdullah, a McCain donor, was misspelled in some versions of the story.
Staff writer Ashley Surdin in Los Angeles and research director Lucy Shackelford, research editor Alice Crites and staff researcher Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.
One would think that with four contributors, not including the author of the column, they could be a little more than 25% accurate in their opening graf...
Funny, but the corrected version of the article is saying the same thing as the one with the two tiny mistakes.

So, what was your point, exactly...?
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Vendetta wrote:Whilst this appears to violate the spirit of political donations, unless the money is coming from some source other than the donors, it actually just looks like the old Fool and his Money thing. People will give money to whoever they're told, in quite large sums, for no good personal reason.
What? These aren't little old ladies getting swindled by some TV preacher, these are people with no apparent political interest allegedly cutting checks for substantial percentages of their annual income. Furthermore, this smells like a well known political dirty trick: after you've maxed out your own donations, illegally donate more in the name of family members, employees, children, dead people, whoever's handy.
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Hilariously, there were people at Hillaryis44.org admitting to doing just that during the race between Hillary and Barack.
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Patrick Degan wrote:Funny, but the corrected version of the article is saying the same thing as the one with the two tiny mistakes.

So, what was your point, exactly...?
Do I really need to explain to you why it's important to discuss accurate news articles, rather than inaccurate ones?

The original article claimed three people contributed to the McCain campaign who actually... didn't. That's, by my reckoning, three mistakes, not two, and I regard it as a rather big mistake, not a tiny one, but I suppose that a subjective thing

Maybe you also missed where I commented on how it took five different people to write this incorrect column, which is remarkably sloppy journalism?
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A correction was issued. I'm sorry if you are deeply personally offended I did not spend my night and morning refreshing the article for potential updates. The correction is now in place. And it still doesn't remove the central thrust. So basically, you're being a pedantic whiner.
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gizmojumpjet wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:Funny, but the corrected version of the article is saying the same thing as the one with the two tiny mistakes.

So, what was your point, exactly...?
Do I really need to explain to you why it's important to discuss accurate news articles, rather than inaccurate ones?

The original article claimed three people contributed to the McCain campaign who actually... didn't. That's, by my reckoning, three mistakes, not two, and I regard it as a rather big mistake, not a tiny one, but I suppose that a subjective thing

Maybe you also missed where I commented on how it took five different people to write this incorrect column, which is remarkably sloppy journalism?
"Sloppy journalism" would be the case if the article's main points were refuted in toto. Two tiny mistakes —one of them a simple spelling error— don't accomplish that. So you are simply full of bullshit.
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