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DIY electrical cars, Because Detroit Is Doomed.

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ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Larry Horsley loves that he doesn't buy much gas, even though he drives his '95 Chevy S-10 back and forth to work each day.

Horsley, a self-described do-it-yourselfer, simply plugs his truck into an electric wall outlet in his Douglasville, Georgia, garage and charges it overnight, instead of buying gasoline refined from mostly imported oil.

"If I can keep a dollar from going overseas, I'll spend two dollars," he said. The whole conversion, including the truck, cost him about $12,000, which parts dealers say is about standard.

Another Atlanta-area tinkerer, David Kennington, converted his Honda Civic del Sol from gasoline to electric for a different reason: "I'm a raging greenie," he said.

Both Horsley and Kennington are fed up. They're among a growing number of Americans who are refusing to wait for big-car manufacturers to deliver mainstream electric vehicles, called EVs. Not only have they rebelled against the status quo by ripping out their gas-guzzling engines and replacing them with zero-emission electric motors, they say just about anyone can do it.

Another electric DYI-er in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, Bob Batson, has formed a company called Electric Vehicles of America that sells vehicle parts for other anti-gasoline rebels looking to convert.

Batson said business has more than tripled in the past year. "Sales trends are definitely up as the price of gasoline goes up," he said.

60 mph on 20 batteries

Outside his metal roofing business, Horsley opened up the hood of his converted Chevy truck to show how he did it.

The entire process is "basically straightforward," he said, after four months driving it on electric.

"Anyone who has basic mechanical skills can build one of these," Horsley said. "But it takes time," he said, about three months. Most of that period was spent waiting for the parts to be shipped.

He's got the motor of his maroon S-10 pickup set up to run on 20 six-volt batteries, the same kind used in golf carts. The motor connects to an existing manual transmission to propel the truck up to 60 mph.

Horsley removed the vehicle's radiator to make room under the hood for a few of the batteries. The rest are concealed in the back, under the pickup's bed.

Other components such as a fuel injector were replaced with their electric counterparts and some, like the exhaust system, were removed completely.

Horsley started the conversion amid cool temperatures in January, so he didn't install air conditioning. But in August, sweltering in Georgia's brutal 90-degree heat and humidity, Horsley calls that decision a mistake -- one he won't make next time.

He said his wife won't let him convert her car, but he's looking for another used truck to convert.

The truck can travel about 40 miles without damaging the lead-acid batteries before the vehicle needs recharging, Horsley said. But he said 40 miles is enough to get to and from work and run errands around town.

While limited range is the main disadvantage of electric vehicles, most people don't need to drive very far on a regular basis, said Batson.

"What people don't always realize is that the average person only drives 20 miles per day," he said.

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For his part, Kennington describes his sports-car red Honda as a "science experiment." He first converted the two-seater into an electric vehicle four years ago and has been tinkering with it ever since. He's swapped out components and tried multiple battery configurations.

With his current nine-battery setup Kennington gets about 20 miles per charge, so he only drives it on short trips a couple times a week from his Austell, Georgia, home.

"I did it for the learning experience," he said.

Kennington said he's waiting for better battery technologies, like nickel-metal-hydride and lithium-ion, to become more affordable. Those batteries can provide more power with less weight for increased range, but currently cost $10,000 to $20,000 per set, compared with about $2,000 for lead acid batteries, he said.

"I hope at some point that I will be able to drive it on a more regular basis and that it will be more useful," he said. "Do I expect it to someday to be my only car? No."

He said most people who own electric cars also have a gasoline or hybrid vehicle for longer trips.

Kennington is president of the EV Club of the South, a group of electric vehicle owners and enthusiasts. He said interest in EVs is directly tied to gas prices.

"When gas goes up, more people call me and more people come to the meetings," he said.

Horsley estimated that he has saved $700 since switching to electric four months ago. He's quick to point out that that's just the savings on gas. He also doesn't have to pay for oil or filter changes, since there is no engine oil or fuel filters to change.

"I was originally skeptical," he said. "But now I'm convinced."
Obviously, the conversions mentioned are primarily short range commuter cars, but I am wondering how much range you can eck out of a bunch of laptop lith-ions.
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SirNitram wrote:Obviously, the conversions mentioned are primarily short range commuter cars, but I am wondering how much range you can eck out of a bunch of laptop lith-ions.
Funny you should ask, NPR has the president of Tesla Motors on earlier today, he calms their roadster will get 220 miles off a single charge. However, at $109K each, I don't see too many of us running out to get one

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SirNitram wrote:Obviously, the conversions mentioned are primarily short range commuter cars, but I am wondering how much range you can eck out of a bunch of laptop lith-ions.
Funny you should ask, NPR has the president of Tesla Motors on earlier today, he calms their roadster will get 220 miles off a single charge. However, at $109K each, I don't see too many of us running out to get one

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His claims are backed up; driven at relaxed speeds, you get 200 miles. I'm more waiting for their 'Whitestar' project to hit the market.
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Yeah, but if that lithium-ion battery only lasts a few years, that's going to suck. That's the real problem GM is running into now with their development of the Volt: they can make the Li-ion battery work just fine, but they need to make it last long enough that it won't need replacement for 10 years, and can be used in environments as hot as Arizona or as cold as Alaska.
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Any word on what they're expecting the WhiteStar (awesome name, BTW) to sell for?
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Any word on what they're expecting the WhiteStar (awesome name, BTW) to sell for?
Around 50,000-60,000 US$.
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Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, but if that lithium-ion battery only lasts a few years, that's going to suck. That's the real problem GM is running into now with their development of the Volt: they can make the Li-ion battery work just fine, but they need to make it last long enough that it won't need replacement for 10 years, and can be used in environments as hot as Arizona or as cold as Alaska.
What kind of batteries are they using in the Prius? From what I have read, they are incredibly reliable although the load placed on them isn't nearly as much as you'd have in an all-electric car.
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Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, but if that lithium-ion battery only lasts a few years, that's going to suck. That's the real problem GM is running into now with their development of the Volt: they can make the Li-ion battery work just fine, but they need to make it last long enough that it won't need replacement for 10 years, and can be used in environments as hot as Arizona or as cold as Alaska.
What kind of batteries are they using in the Prius? From what I have read, they are incredibly reliable although the load placed on them isn't nearly as much as you'd have in an all-electric car.
I've still head that the batteries need changed after so many years. And good luck if you drive through high water.
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SirNitram wrote:His claims are backed up; driven at relaxed speeds, you get 200 miles. I'm more waiting for their 'Whitestar' project to hit the market.
Speaking of Tesla, this is a neat little video courtesy of Jay Leno on the Tesla Roadster. Also, his 1909 Baker Electric car is kinda fun to look at too.
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Natorgator wrote: What kind of batteries are they using in the Prius? From what I have read, they are incredibly reliable although the load placed on them isn't nearly as much as you'd have in an all-electric car.
It uses Nickel-metal hydride batteries… the production of which is not exactly ‘green’, to the point that more then one study has suggested the Prius is actually less environmentally friendly then many SUVs; though that’s largely subjective weighting of different pollutants.

In a hybrid the batteries aren’t used as heavily; and also they are simply never allowed to deep cycle. Normally power levels are only allowed to vary between 40% charge and 60-70% charge. This isn’t a huge issue for a normal hybrid, but it’s an unacceptable limitation for an all electric car or a hybrid like the Volt that has only electric drive motors (most hybrids still have a normal driveshaft) and which is meant to operate electrically for protracted periods. It means losing too much potential battery capacity. The Prius batteries were designed for a 7-10 year life I’ve heard they been found to age better then expected because of the strictly limited cycling.
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