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[Class War in America] Rolling Stone Calls Spade a Spade

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Rolling Stone NAILS IT!
It's a Class War, Stupid
Election season will be packed with distractions, but the real issue is becoming a matter of life and death

Matt Taibbi

Posted Jul 15, 2008 2:05 PM

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I am a single mother with a 9-year-old boy. To stay warm at night my son and I would pull off all the pillows from the couch and pile them on the kitchen floor. I'd hang a blanket from the kitchen doorway and we'd sleep right there on the floor. By February we ran out of wood and I burned my mother's dining room furniture. I have no oil for hot water. We boil our water on the stove and pour it in the tub. I'd like to order one of your flags and hang it upside down at the capital building... we are certainly a country in distress.

— Letter from a single mother in a Vermont city, to Senator Bernie Sanders

The Republican and Democratic conventions are just around the corner, which means that we're at a critical time in our nation's history. For this is the moment when the country's political and media consensus finally settles on the line of bullshit it will be selling to the public as the "national debate" come fall.

If you pay close attention you can actually see the trial balloons whooshing overhead. There have been numerous articles of late of the Whither the Debate? genus in the country's major dailes and news mags, pieces like Patrick Healy's "Target: Barack Obama. Strategy: What Day is it?" in the New York Times. They ostensibly wonder aloud about what respective "plans of attack" Barack Obama and John McCain will choose to pursue against one another in the fall.

In these pieces we already see the candidates trying on, like shoes, the various storylines we might soon have hammered into our heads like wartime slogans. Most hilarious from my viewpoint is the increasingly real possibility that the Republicans will eventually decide that their best shot against Obama is to pull out the old "He's a flip-flopper" strategy — which would be pathetic, given that this was the same tired tactic they used against John Kerry four years ago, were it not for the damning fact that it might actually work again. (I'm actually not sure sometimes what is more repulsive: the bosh they trot out as campaign "issues," or the enthusiasm with which the public buys it.)

Naturally we'll also see the "Patriotism Gap" storyline whipped out and reused over and over again. There will also be much talk emanating from the McCain camp about "experience," although this line of attack will not be nearly as fruitful for him as it was for Hillary Clinton, mainly because the word "experience" in McCain's case also has a habit of reminding voters that the Arizona senator is, well, wicked old.

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The Obama camp, playing with a big halftime lead as the cliché goes, is going to play this one close to the vest, sticking to a strategy of using larger and larger fonts every week for their "CHANGE" placards, and getting the candidates' various aides and spokesgoons to use the term "McCain-Bush policies" as many times as possible on political talk shows. Obama will also use this pre-convention period to do what every general election candidate does after a tough primary-season fight, i.e. ditch all the positions he took en route to securing the nomination and replace them with opinions subtly (or sometimes not-so-subtly) reconfigured to fit the latest polling information coming out of certain key swing states. Both sides as well as the pundit class will describe this early positioning for combat over swing-state electoral votes as a "race for the center" (AP, July 3: "Candidates Courting the Center"), as if the "political center" in America were a place where huge chunks of the population tirelessly obsessed over semi-relevant media-driven wedge issues like stem-cell research and gay marriage, even as they lacked money to buy food and make rent every month.

The press, meanwhile, is clearly flailing around for a sensational hook to use in selling the election, as the once-brightly-burning star of blue-red hatred seems unfortunately to have dimmed a little — just in time, perhaps, to torpedo the general election season cable ratings. They are working hard to come up with the WWF-style shorthand labels they always use to sell electoral contests: if 2000 was the "wooden" and ?condescending? Al Gore versus the "dummy" Bush, and 2004 featured that same ?regular guy? Bush against the "patrician" and "bookish" John Kerry (who also "looked French"), in 2008 we?re going to be sold the "maverick" McCain against the "smooth" Obama, or some dumb thing along those lines. Time has even experimented with a "poker versus craps" storyline, feeding off the incidental fact that Obama is a regular poker player while McCain reportedly favors craps, which apparently has some electorally relevant meaning — and if you know what that something is, please let me know.

We're also going to be fed truckloads of onerous horseshit about the candidate wives. The Michelle Obama content is going to go something like this: the Fox/Limbaugh crowd will first plaster her with Buckwheatesque caricatures (the National Review cover was hilariously over-the-top in that respect) and racially loaded epithets like "baby Mama" (that via Fox News spokeswhore Michelle Malkin, God bless her) and "angry black woman" (via self-aggrandizing, cop-mustached Chicago-based prune Cal Thomas). Next, the so-called "mainstream" press, the "respectable" press, which of course is above such behavior, will amplify those attacks 10 million-fold via endless waves of secondary features soberly pondering the question of whether or not Michelle Obama is a "political liability" — because of stuff like the Thomas column, and Malkin's quip and the endless rumors about a mysterious "whitey" video. Cindy McCain, meanwhile, will generally be described as a political asset, as the pundit class tends to applaud, mute, stoned-looking candidate wives who have soldiered on bravely while being martyred by rumors of their mostly absent husband's infidelities. It will help on the martyrdom front that McCain launched his political career with her family money and drove her into an actual, confirmable chemical dependency. As long as she keeps gamely wobbling onstage and trying to smile into the camera, she's going to get straight As from the political press, guaranteed.

Some combination of all of these things is going to comprise the so-called "national debate" this fall. Now, we live in an age where our media deceptions are so far-reaching and comprehensive that they almost smother reality, at times seeming actually to replace reality — but even in the context of the inane TV-driven fantasyland we've grown used to inhabiting, this year's crude cobbling together of a phony "national conversation" by our political press is an outrageous, monstrously offensive deception. For if, as now seems likely, this fall's election is ultimately turned into a Swan-esque reality show where America is asked to decide if it can tolerate Michelle Obama's face longer than John McCain's diapers, it will be at the expense of an urgent dialogue about a serious nationwide emergency that any sane country would have started having some time ago. And unless you run a TV network or live in Washington, you probably already know what that emergency is.

A few weeks back, I got a call from someone in the office of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Sanders wanted to tell me about an effort his office had recently made to solicit information about his constituents? economic problems. He sent out a notice on his e-mail list asking Vermont residents to "tell me what was going on in their lives economically." He expected a few dozen letters at best — but got, instead, more than 700 in the first week alone. Some, like the excerpt posted above, sounded like typical tales of life for struggling single-parent families below the poverty line. More unnerving, however, were the stories Sanders received from people who held one or two or even three jobs, from families in which both spouses held at least one regular job — in other words, from people one would normally describe as middle-class. For example, this letter came from the owner of his own commercial cleaning service:

My 90-year-old father in Connecticut has recently become ill and asked me to visit him. I want to drop everything I am doing and go visit him, however, I am finding it hard to save enough money to add to the extra gas I'll need to get there. I make more than I did a year ago and I don't have enough to pay my property taxes this quarter for the first time in many years. They are due tomorrow.

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This single mother buys clothes from thrift stores and unsuccessfully tried to sell her house to pay for her son's schooling:

I don't go to church many Sundays, because the gasoline is too expensive to drive there. Every thought of an activity is dependent on the cost.

Sanders got letters from working people who have been reduced to eating "cereal and toast" for dinner, from a 71-year-old man who has been forced to go back to work to pay for heating oil and property taxes, from a worker in an oncology department of a hospital who reports that clinically ill patients are foregoing cancer treatments because the cost of gas makes it too expensive to reach the hospital. The recurring theme is that employment, even dual employment, is no longer any kind of barrier against poverty. Not economic discomfort, mind you, but actual poverty. Meaning, having less than you need to eat and live in heated shelter — forgetting entirely about health care and dentistry, which has long ceased to be considered an automatic component of American middle-class life. The key factors in almost all of the Sanders letters are exploding gas and heating oil costs, reduced salaries and benefits, and sharply increased property taxes (a phenomenon I hear about all across the country at campaign trail stops, something that seems to me to be directly tied to the Bush tax cuts and the consequent reduced federal aid to states). And it all adds up to one thing.

"The middle class is disappearing," says Sanders. "In real ways we're becoming more like a third-world country."

Here's the thing: nobody needs me or Bernie Sanders to tell them that it sucks out there and that times are tougher economically in this country than perhaps they've been for quite a long time. We've all seen the stats — median income has declined by almost $2,500 over the past seven years, we have a zero personal savings rate in America for the first time since the Great Depression, and 5 million people have slipped below the poverty level since the beginning of the decade. And stats aside, most everyone out there knows what the deal is. If you're reading this and you had to drive to work today or pay a credit card bill in the last few weeks you know better than I do for sure how fucked up things have gotten. I hear talk from people out on the campaign trail about mortgages and bankruptcies and bill collectors that are enough to make your ass clench with 100 percent pure panic.

None of this is a secret. Here, however, is something that is a secret: that this is a class issue that is being intentionally downplayed by a political/media consensus bent on selling the public a version of reality where class resentments, or class distinctions even, do not exist. Our "national debate" is always a thing where we do not talk about things like haves and have-nots, rich and poor, employers versus employees. But we increasingly live in a society where all the political action is happening on one side of the line separating all those groups, to the detriment of the people on the other side.

We have a government that is spending two and a half billion dollars a day in Iraq, essentially subsidizing new swimming pools for the contracting class in northern Virginia, at a time when heating oil and personal transportation are about to join health insurance on the list of middle-class luxuries. Home heating and car ownership are slipping away from the middle class thanks to exploding energy prices — the hidden cost of the national borrowing policy we call dependency on foreign oil, "foreign" representing those nations, Arab and Chinese, that lend us the money to pay for our wars.

And while we've all heard stories about how much waste and inefficiency there is in our military spending, this is always portrayed as either "corruption" or simple inefficiency, and not what it really is — a profound expression of our national priorities, a means of taking money from ordinary, struggling people and redistributing it not downward but upward, to connected insiders, who turn your tax money into pure profit.

You want an example? Sanders has a great one for you. The Senator claims that he has been trying for years to increase funding for the Federally Qualified Health Care (FQHC) program, which finances community health centers across the country that give primary health care access to about 16 million Americans a year. He's seeking an additional $798 million for the program this year, which would bring the total appropriation to $2.9 billion, or about what we spend every two days in Iraq.

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"But for five billion a year," Sanders insists, "we could provide basic primary health care for every American. That?s how much it would cost, five billion."

As it is, though, Sanders has struggled to get any additional funding. He managed to get $250 million added to the program in last year's Labor, Health and Human Services bill, but Bush vetoed the legislation, "and we ended up getting a lot less."

Okay, now, hold that thought. While we're unable to find $5 billion for this simple program, and Sanders had to fight and claw to get even $250 million that was eventually slashed, here's something else that's going on. According to a recent report by the GAO, the Department of Defense has already "marked for disposal" hundreds of millions of dollars worth of spare parts — and not old spare parts, but new ones that are still on order! In fact, the GAO report claims that over half of the spare parts currently on order for the Air Force — some $235 million worth, or about the same amount Sanders unsuccessfully tried to get for the community health care program last year — are already marked for disposal! Our government is buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Defense Department crap just to throw it away!

"They're planning on throwing this stuff away and it hasn?t even come in yet," says Sanders.

According to the report, we're spending over $30 million a year, and employing over 1,400 people, just to warehouse all the defense equipment we don't need. For instance — we already have thousands of unneeded aircraft blades, but 7,460 on the way, at a cost of $2 million, which will join those already earmarked for the waste pile.

This is why you need to pay careful attention when you hear about John McCain claiming that he's going to "look at entitlement program" waste as a means of solving the budget crisis, or when you tune into the debate about the "death tax." We are in the midst of a political movement to concentrate private wealth into fewer and fewer hands while at the same time placing more and more of the burden for public expenditures on working people. If that sounds like half-baked Marxian analysis... well, shit, what can I say? That's what's happening. Repealing the estate tax (the proposal to phase it out by the year 2010 would save the Walton family alone $30 billion) and targeting "entitlement" programs for cuts while continually funneling an ever-expanding treasure trove of military appropriations down the befouled anus of pointless war profiteering, government waste and North Virginia McMansions — this is all part of a conversation we should be having about who gets what share of the national pie. But we're not going to have that conversation, because we're going to spend this fall mesmerized by the typical media-generated distractions, yammering about whether or not Michelle Obama's voice is too annoying, about flag lapel pins, about Jeremiah Wright and other such idiotic bullshit.

Bernie Sanders is one of the few politicians out there smart enough and secure enough to understand that the future of American politics is necessarily going to involve some pretty frank and contentious confrontations. The phony blue-red divide, which has been buoyed for years by some largely incidental geographical disagreements over religion and other social issues, is going to give way eventually to a real debate grounded in a brutal economic reality increasingly common to all states, red and blue.

Our economic reality is as brutal as it is for a simple reason: whether we like it or not, we are in the midst of revolutionary economic changes. In the kind of breathtakingly ironic development that only real life can imagine, the collapse of the Soviet Union has allowed global capitalism to get into the political unfreedom business, turning China and the various impoverished dictatorships and semi-dictatorships of the third world into the sweatshop of the earth. This development has cut the balls out of American civil society by forcing the export abroad of our manufacturing economy, leaving us with a service/managerial economy that simply cannot support the vast, healthy middle class our government used to work very hard to both foster and protect. The Democratic party that was once the impetus behind much of these changes, that argued so eloquently in the New Deal era that our society would be richer and more powerful overall if the spoils were split up enough to create a strong base of middle class consumers — that party panicked in the years since Nixon and elected to pay for its continued relevance with corporate money. As a result the entire debate between the two major political parties in our country has devolved into an argument over just how quickly to dismantle the few remaining benefits of American middle-class existence — immediately, if you ask the Republicans, and only slightly less than immediately, if you ask the Democrats.

The Republicans wanted to take Social Security, the signature policy underpinning of the middle class, and put it into private accounts — which is a fancy way of saying that they wanted to take a huge bundle of American taxpayer cash and invest it in the very companies, the IBMs and Boeings and GMs and so on, that are exporting our jobs abroad. They want the American middle class to finance its very own impoverishment! The Democrats say no, let's keep Social Security more or less as is, and let that impoverishment happen organically.

Now we have a new set of dire problems in the areas of home ownership and exploding energy prices. In both of these matters the basic dynamic is transnational companies raiding the cash savings of the middle class. Because those same companies finance the campaigns of our politicians, we won't hear much talk about getting private industry to help foot the bill to pay for these crises, or forcing the energy companies to cut into their obscene profits for the public good. We will, however, hear talk about taxpayer-subsidized bailouts and various irrelevancies like McCain's gas tax holiday (an amusing solution — eliminate taxes collected by government in order to pay for taxes collected by energy companies). Ultimately, however, you can bet that when the middle class finally falls all the way down, and this recession becomes something even worse, necessity will force our civil government — if anything remains of it by then — to press for the only real solution.

"Corporate America is going to have to reinvest in our society," says Sanders. "It's that simple."

These fantasy elections we've been having — overblown sports contests with great production values, decided by haircuts and sound bytes and high-tech mudslinging campaigns — those were sort of fun while they lasted, and were certainly useful in providing jerk-off pundit-dickheads like me with high-paying jobs. But we just can't afford them anymore. We have officially spent and mismanaged our way out of la-la land and back to the ugly place where politics really lives — a depressingly serious and desperate argument about how to keep large numbers of us from starving and freezing to death. Or losing our homes, or having our cars repossessed. For a long time America has been too embarrassed to talk about class; we all liked to imagine ourselves in the wealthy column, or at least potentially so, flush enough to afford this pissing away of our political power on meaningless game-show debates once every four years. The reality is much different, and this might be the year we're all forced to admit it.
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That was beautiful. Simply beautiful.
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Perfect. So well said.

The remarks about the spare parts already slated for disposal struck me as powerfully Orwellian -- the great piles of weapons ordered and then simply set on fire.
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As I keep saying - I may be poor, but there are people far worse off than I am....
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Spot on. We're not even getting the pretense of affluence anymore. I wonder what's going to happen when we hit that final outrage required before action is taken... and what form that action will take...
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Hmmm.... So, by the time the election rolls around, we won't even be able to afford to move to Canada anymore?

How much does a violent revolution cost?
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Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Hmmm.... So, by the time the election rolls around, we won't even be able to afford to move to Canada anymore?

How much does a violent revolution cost?
Depends on how willing you are to die for the cause. If very willing all you need is a mob and a lot of sticks, stones and regular hand guns rising up in enough cities at once.
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Hmmm.... So, by the time the election rolls around, we won't even be able to afford to move to Canada anymore?

How much does a violent revolution cost?
Depends on how willing you are to die for the cause. If very willing all you need is a mob and a lot of sticks, stones and regular hand guns rising up in enough cities at once.
Heck, I could outfit a squad all by myself. :P
Who was it that said 'those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable'?
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This arcticle had something jump into my head. The Force help us if it were to come true.

"So you think you can be the President of the United States?"

Each week, a 1 hour a tightly moderated debate on a specific topic, with phone voting open at the end of the night.

After 16 weeks;

"All right america, you've heard there positions, you've heard the debates, and now it's time to vote. Go out tomorrow, to your polling station, and cast your vote for the man you want to be POTUS. We'll announce the results on tomorrow nights Season Finale"

ANd you know what, that's already what things have become, except instaed of moderated debates, it's freaking media circus's, tabloid journalism, gossip and celebraty-whoring.

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I never would have believed that America would be in the same sentence as "Third World Country. That goes for a lot of this shit too, l guess. Our future may not be so bright after all. I hope we survive this coming year.
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Solauren wrote:"All right america, you've heard there positions ...

We'll announce the results on tomorrow nights Season Finale" ...

it's freaking media circus's, tabloid journalism, gossip and celebraty-whoring ...

What a WONDERFUL system you guys have down their.
Is it really that hard to grasp the use of apostrophes, or the difference between "there" and "their"?
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Broomstick wrote::(

As I keep saying - I may be poor, but there are people far worse off than I am....
Yes, but there are also people far better off than you are, and in the cruel mathematics of economists, their great wealth cancels out the suffering of poor people, so everything is A-OK!

Just ask Master of Ossus or any of the other "economists" here. They'll explain how the record profits of energy and resource companies mean everything is just fine, even as millions slip below the poverty line. I still remember when I first heard the term "jobless recovery". That's when I realized how depraved the language of economists was.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Broomstick wrote::(

As I keep saying - I may be poor, but there are people far worse off than I am....
Yes, but there are also people far better off than you are, and in the cruel mathematics of economists, their great wealth cancels out the suffering of poor people, so everything is A-OK!
Nice sarcasm, Wong. I, too, have noted what you say about economists.

Perhaps I should be more clear - although officially poor and only employed part-time at present, I am actually financially better off than many people six figure incomes merely because I don't have a massive debt burden.

Seems to me there's something wrong with that - just as it's wrong for corporate America to whine that employee productivity has stopped rising. Well, no shit - with falling real wages, climbing debts, and working to exhaustion they've basically squeezed all the blood out of the turnips that they will be able to. The average American has been sold a bill of goods, told if they play the game like the big boys they, too, can win, and never realized the game was rigged against them.
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Pew had an interesting piece a couple of weeks back about the "four middle classes": Top of the/Struggling/Anxious/Satisfied Middle Class
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Solauren wrote:"So you think you can be the President of the United States?"

Each week, a 1 hour a tightly moderated debate on a specific topic, with phone voting open at the end of the night.

After 16 weeks;

"All right america, you've heard there positions, you've heard the debates, and now it's time to vote. Go out tomorrow, to your polling station, and cast your vote for the man you want to be POTUS. We'll announce the results on tomorrow nights Season Finale"
You know what's scary about this?

This would actually be more democratic and honest than what we have now.

I need a drink.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Glocksman wrote:Heck, I could outfit a squad all by myself. :P
You too, huh? :wink:
Who was it that said 'those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable'?
I don't know who said it, but it's SIG-able.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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I don't know who said it, but it's SIG-able.
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Thank you. I will credit him, then.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Broomstick wrote:I am actually financially better off than many people six figure incomes merely because I don't have a massive debt burden.
Having recently entered six-figure territory, I can attest that - unless your aim is to receive a violent, mechanically-assisted ass-raping at the hands of the IRS - you're virtually obligated to assume debt loads that you may not even particularly want to assume, in order to offset your tax burden.

Pretty damned perverse.
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The immiseration of the proletariat continues apace, I see.

Marx may have underestimated the impact of the welfare state and that of the reformists, but I wonder if he will be proven right this time around? Can global capital afford to have another "age of reform"?
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Darth Wong wrote:Yes, but there are also people far better off than you are, and in the cruel mathematics of economists, their great wealth cancels out the suffering of poor people, so everything is A-OK!
Yes, thank you for the strawman.
Just ask Master of Ossus or any of the other "economists" here. They'll explain how the record profits of energy and resource companies mean everything is just fine, even as millions slip below the poverty line. I still remember when I first heard the term "jobless recovery". That's when I realized how depraved the language of economists was.
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Master of Ossus wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Yes, but there are also people far better off than you are, and in the cruel mathematics of economists, their great wealth cancels out the suffering of poor people, so everything is A-OK!
Yes, thank you for the strawman.
Care to explain why it's a strawman? If ten people making $50,000/yr lose their jobs but one Wall Street investment banker increases his income by $750,000, does this or does it not represent an improvement in GDP, and hence positive growth and an improving overall economy according to you?

As for the unemployment figures, that's been argued over many many times before by many people and I see no point in resuming that cycle.
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Master of Ossus wrote:Yes, how dare I believe that a 5% unemployment rate is acceptable.
ONLY if the remainder who are employed are actually fully employed - that means people who need/want full time work actually HAVE full time work (as opposed to me, who wants/needs full time and so far, after 10 months, have only been able to obtain part time) and that people get paid enough to live on. Newsflash: you can't live on just minimum wage. At least not around here.

Otherwise, the "5% unemployed rate" cheers are bilgewater and hide the very real economic distress a LOT of people are in right now.
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Darth Wong wrote:Care to explain why it's a strawman? If ten people making $50,000/yr lose their jobs but one Wall Street investment banker increases his income by $750,000, does this or does it not represent an improvement in GDP, and hence positive growth and an improving overall economy according to you?
It represents growth. Growth is "only" good if all other things have been held equal, which clearly they have not.
As for the unemployment figures, that's been argued over many many times before by many people and I see no point in resuming that cycle.
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Broomstick wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Yes, how dare I believe that a 5% unemployment rate is acceptable.
ONLY if the remainder who are employed are actually fully employed - that means people who need/want full time work actually HAVE full time work (as opposed to me, who wants/needs full time and so far, after 10 months, have only been able to obtain part time) and that people get paid enough to live on. Newsflash: you can't live on just minimum wage. At least not around here.

Otherwise, the "5% unemployed rate" cheers are bilgewater and hide the very real economic distress a LOT of people are in right now.
The 5% unemployment rate thing has been around for ages, and the definition of unemployment hasn't changed. Moreover, less than 5% of Americans currently work for minimum wage (IIRC, it was closer to 1.5%), so the criticism that one cannot live on it is irrelevant. Realistically, the people making the minimum wage are teenagers and others who aren't trying to live off of it.
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