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Obama Assassination Plot Foiled!

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Four held over 'Obama assassination plot'

Three men and a woman have been arrested over a possible plot to assassinate US presidential candidate Barack Obama.

In Denver, Colorado - where the Democratic National Convention is being held - police are holding Tharin Gartrell, 28, after a routine arrest in the early hours of Sunday morning in the city's Aurora suburb.

Gartrell was spotted driving erratically and when police searched his rented truck, they found two high-powered rifles, including one with a telescopic sight, a bulletproof vest, camouflage clothing, boxes of ammunition, walkie-talkie radios, licenses in the names of other people and methamphetamine.

A few hours later, authorities went to a hotel in Denver where an associate of Gartrell, Nathan Johnson, 32, was held. A third man, Shawn Robert Adolf, was located at a hotel in Aurora but jumped out of a sixth floor hotel window, breaking his ankle. He was found a few blocks away and subsequently arrested.

Adolf was reportedly wearing a ring with a swastika and is thought to have ties to white supremacist organisations. A woman, believed to be the girlfriend of one of the men, is also being held.

According to local television reports, one of the suspects 'was directly asked if they had come to Denver to kill Obama. He responded in the affirmative.' It was also claimed one of the suspects told authorities they were going to 'shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a....rifle sighted at 750 yards'.

A US government official said it is too soon to determine whether it was a valid threat and whether it could have been carried out. 'It could also turn out that these were nothing but a bunch of knuckleheads,' the official said.

US Attorney Troy Eid confirmed the incident is being investigated but said there was no credible threat to Mr Obama, the Democratic National Convention or the people of Colorado.

FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright confirmed the FBI is investigating the reports, but declined to elaborate. Officials with the FBI, Secret Service, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and Aurora police are scheduled to hold a press conference later.

Elsewhere in the city, Michelle Obama, 44, the wife the 47-year-old Illinois senator, gave a prime-time television address and said her husband offers 'new hope' for America and would make an 'extraordinary president'.

She used her most high-profile speech of the campaign to date to expose details of Mr Obama's personal story to a wider audience and to introduce the man she married to America.

Mrs Obama said: 'What struck me when I first met Barack was that even though he had this funny name, and even though he had grown up all the way across the continent in Hawaii, his family was so much like mine.'

She emphasised her husband, who has struggled to attract support from working class Americans, was raised by working class grandparents.

Mrs Obama told voters who are focused on the troubled US economy that his family had struggled to pay the bills; and she said that their families had the same values, a belief in truth and honesty, and that 'you can make it if you try'.

To loud applause from the delegates, Mrs Obama also praised her husband's former rival Hillary Clinton for putting 'those 18 million cracks in that glass ceiling so that our daughters and our sons can dream a little bigger and aim a little higher'.

Mrs Obama said her husband was running for president to end the war in Iraq responsibly, to build an economy that helps every family, and to make sure that healthcare was available to every American.

'The world as it is just won't do, that we have an obligation to fight for a world as it should be and that is the thread that connects our hearts,' she said.

'That is the thread that runs through my journey, and Barack's journey, and so many other improbably journeys that have brought us here tonight where the current of history meets this new tide of hope.'

To a standing ovation, she went on: 'And, you see, that is why I love this country.'

The couple's two children, Malia, ten, and Sasha, seven, joined their mother on the stage at the end of her speech. Later, Mr Obama, appearing via video link from Kansas City, Missouri, spoke to his wife and daughters on the stage, with both girls saying: 'I love you, Daddy'.
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I'm surprised someone could jump out of a sixth floor window and only break an ankle.
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I have to say, I'm curious as to whether Obama (and other presidential candidates for that matter, but him in particular) wears a bullet proof vest as a matter of routine.
I'd certainly do it in Obama's case, although there are strong and obvious PR reasons not to do so, especially since aiming for the head from a distance (As was the planned case here apparently) would be extremely difficult, as getting near enough with a handgun is exceedingly difficult with most of the securty set-ups that I've seen. :?
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DEATH wrote:I have to say, I'm curious as to whether Obama (and other presidential candidates for that matter, but him in particular) wears a bullet proof vest as a matter of routine.
I seriously doubt it. Most of them are not subtle enough to go without notice, so someone would likely point it out whenever a candidate was wearing one.
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DEATH wrote:I have to say, I'm curious as to whether Obama (and other presidential candidates for that matter, but him in particular) wears a bullet proof vest as a matter of routine.
I seriously doubt it. Most of them are not subtle enough to go without notice, so someone would likely point it out whenever a candidate was wearing one.
Some are pretty concealable.
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DEATH wrote:I have to say, I'm curious as to whether Obama (and other presidential candidates for that matter, but him in particular) wears a bullet proof vest as a matter of routine.
Ever since Robert Kennedy was shot while running for office the US secret service has handled the security for the nominees and, in some cases, even before that. Mr. Obama has had secret service protection for several months now, if I recall correctly. You have to a complete idiot not to realize that a black man running for President is going to outrage the bigots who don't want an uppity [ugly word] in the White House.

Bulletproof vests are not common attire, the secret service prefers to first prevent any shooters from getting close enough (the security arrangements for, say, a presidential visit can be quite disruptive to regular folks trying to get about town) and secondly, they will throw themselves bodily between their assigned person and physical danger.

Could some crazy get through? Well, Hinckley did shoot Reagan (and a few other people) so it's possible. Under some circumstances bullet resistant clothing may be used, but it's pretty rare.
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Adolf? Swastika ring? Ties to white supremacist groups? Oh good lord, the cliches hear read like a bad Palonie novel...


Glad they foiled it. Good for the cops to get some positive PR these days. Wonder what the response from the rest of the political world will be?

Also, I second the above question: how does one fall out of a sixth floor window and only break ones ankle?
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Aratech wrote:Adolf? Swastika ring? Ties to white supremacist groups? Oh good lord, the cliches hear read like a bad Palonie novel...


Glad they foiled it. Good for the cops to get some positive PR these days. Wonder what the response from the rest of the political world will be?

Also, I second the above question: how does one fall out of a sixth floor window and only break ones ankle?
I don't know - if a man can survive a free-fall of a few thousand feet thanks to a faulty parachute with only a broken leg, I suppose there's no reason man can't survive a six story drop with minimal injury if you roll yourself right when you land.

And Obama has an absolute swarm of Secret Service personnel around him. I think a long range sniper attack would probably be the only way to reliably get to him, and in that case the bullet proof vest won't make that much of a difference since I'd be betting that a sniper would be going for a head shot if possible.
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Is anyone surprised meth was involved? Like, at all?
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Aratech wrote:Adolf? Swastika ring? Ties to white supremacist groups? Oh good lord, the cliches hear read like a bad Palonie novel...
And the fuckers had meth on top. GOD DAMN tweekers! They're worse than crackheads. At least a crackhead will stick to stealing your stereo; these shitbirds want to steal the entire fucking future of America!
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Aratech wrote:Adolf? Swastika ring? Ties to white supremacist groups? Oh good lord, the cliches hear read like a bad Palonie novel...
And the fuckers had meth on top. GOD DAMN tweekers! They're worse than crackheads. At least a crackhead will stick to stealing your stereo; these shitbirds want to steal the entire fucking future of America!
Can't say I'm overly familiar with the difference, aside from the fact that Meth has a bunch of stuff in it that comes from over the counter/prescription drugs, and if some of the intake photos I've seen are accurate, absolutely screws you up.
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Broomstick wrote:Ever since Robert Kennedy was shot while running for office the US secret service has handled the security for the nominees and, in some cases, even before that. Mr. Obama has had secret service protection for several months now, if I recall correctly.
Speaking of candidates, I'm guessing that Biden is no longer taking the train to and from work?

Anyway, wow, a routine arrest leads to a possibly bigger thing.

Hopefully anyone else with such dark intent is likewise caught before getting any further than this did.
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Aratech wrote:
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Aratech wrote:Adolf? Swastika ring? Ties to white supremacist groups? Oh good lord, the cliches hear read like a bad Palonie novel...
And the fuckers had meth on top. GOD DAMN tweekers! They're worse than crackheads. At least a crackhead will stick to stealing your stereo; these shitbirds want to steal the entire fucking future of America!
Can't say I'm overly familiar with the difference, aside from the fact that Meth has a bunch of stuff in it that comes from over the counter/prescription drugs, and if some of the intake photos I've seen are accurate, absolutely screws you up.
It's changing now, but meth is commonly associated with rural backwater drug addictions (just like Oxycontin, aka: Hillbilly Heroin), while crack cocaine is widely seen as an 'inner city' problem.

Here in southwestern Indiana/southwestern Kentucky/southern Illinois, it's not uncommon at all to read about at least one meth lab bust a week.
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I see. Is there a particular reason for that (can the rural areas access the necessary materials for Meth easier than they can for crack/coke, or does the rural area mean its less likely a lab's going to get busted?) :?:
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Broomstick wrote:Ever since Robert Kennedy was shot while running for office the US secret service has handled the security for the nominees and, in some cases, even before that. Mr. Obama has had secret service protection for several months now, if I recall correctly.
Speaking of candidates, I'm guessing that Biden is no longer taking the train to and from work?
Dunno - Biden made some crack last night about still being "allowed" to take Amtrak, but I was falling asleep so I didn't quite catch it.

In theory, it should be possible, but the inconvenience to other travelers may make it prohibitive. While some senators do take public conveyances (Amtrak, commercial flights, cabs, etc.) presidential candidates take non-commercial airplanes/helicopters and private limos for practical reasons.

Assuming Obama/Biden win, Biden will have access to Air Force Two/Marine Two and will probably not be taking Amtrak any longer.
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Aratech wrote:I see. Is there a particular reason for that (can the rural areas access the necessary materials for Meth easier than they can for crack/coke, or does the rural area mean its less likely a lab's going to get busted?) :?:
IIRC, one of the crucial ingredients is used in farming.
You aren't going to find too many farms in NYC. :lol:
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Jadeite wrote:
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DEATH wrote:I have to say, I'm curious as to whether Obama (and other presidential candidates for that matter, but him in particular) wears a bullet proof vest as a matter of routine.
I seriously doubt it. Most of them are not subtle enough to go without notice, so someone would likely point it out whenever a candidate was wearing one.
Some are pretty concealable.
Wouldn't been enough to stop a rifle bullet though.

Incredible that they were planning to shot him from that far away.
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To expand on my previous answer, a lot of 'cookers' (meth manufacturers) are busted while trying to steal anhydrous ammonia (it's a common fertilizer) from farms.

Also, the smell involved is quite distinctive and the neighbors will often call the cops once it's noticed.
One big problem with meth labs is the cost of cleaning them up after a bust.
The chemicals involved require the cleanup crew to wear HAZMAT suits.
To get around that, some of them are actually making the shit in their cars or vans while driving around.

Meth is a very real rural problem.
It's real to the point where I have to show ID and sign a register if I want to buy the 'good' Nyquil if I have a cold.

Heh...if you like talking to cops, go into a Wal-Mart and buy a large quantity of the 'good' Sudafed and several packs of lithium batteries. :P
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Wouldn't been enough to stop a rifle bullet though.

Incredible that they were planning to shot him from that far away.
Most large bulky "bullet-proof" vests won't stop a rifle round, in fact a .303 will go right through quite a few modern vests. Unless you want him in something similarly sized to Bomb Disposal Armor they can always just go for the head-shot.

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Wouldn't been enough to stop a rifle bullet though.

Incredible that they were planning to shot him from that far away.
Most large bulky "bullet-proof" vests won't stop a rifle round, in fact a .303 will go right through quite a few modern vests. Unless you want him in something similarly sized to Bomb Disposal Armor they can always just go for the head-shot.
Would a .303 go through E-SAPI plates for example? I know that they're supposed to stop .30-06. If presidential candidates/presidents wear vests, are they concealable?
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Glocksman wrote:To expand on my previous answer, a lot of 'cookers' (meth manufacturers) are busted while trying to steal anhydrous ammonia (it's a common fertilizer) from farms.

Also, the smell involved is quite distinctive and the neighbors will often call the cops once it's noticed.
One big problem with meth labs is the cost of cleaning them up after a bust.
The chemicals involved require the cleanup crew to wear HAZMAT suits.
To get around that, some of them are actually making the shit in their cars or vans while driving around.
At least that's somewhat of a self-correcting problem, in a very morbid sort of way. Meth labs are already massively dangerous (producing toxic and explosive gases) to the point that busting a meth lab is a very hazardous procedure. A friend was telling me that one night he heard a muffled boom off campus in the boonies around here, which turned out to be a meth lab that went up. Like people who gin up amateur explosives, people who make meth don't have a very long life expectancy.

Now... add a moving vehicle...

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I haven't read of an actual moving vehicle going up yet, but I have read of several people being busted for having a meth lab setup in their vehicles.

The shit's a very real problem and that's why while I don't really care for having to sign a register and show ID in order to buy Nyquil, I'm not viscerally opposed to the idea either.
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Glocksman wrote:I haven't read of an actual moving vehicle going up yet, but I have read of several people being busted for having a meth lab setup in their vehicles.

The shit's a very real problem and that's why while I don't really care for having to sign a register and show ID in order to buy Nyquil, I'm not viscerally opposed to the idea either.
Fortunately so. I just know that meth is dangerous enough to make that adding the element of a moving vehicle wins the Gold Medal in Stupidity. Even if it's setup is that they only operate it when the vehicle is parked, the odds of something shifting, smashing on the floor, and exploding are alot higher, since I doubt your average redneck chemist on the run is going to tie everything down well or use safe chemical storage.

But I'm fine with showing my ID for Nyquil, even if I don't have to do it here. It costs me nothing to show an extra card to a cashier and if it stymies meth production any, I'm glad for it.
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It's a little more involved than showing ID to a cashier.
I have to go the pharmacy in the store, show my ID and sign a register, plus I'm also limited in the quantity I'm allowed to purchase.
And like I said, God help you if you buy lithium batteries along with your Sudafed.

IOW, it's not like buying a bottle of Beam at a grocery.
That said, the shit's enough of a problem that even a backwater state such as Indiana had no problem in adopting the ingredient access laws.

Now if you try to impose yourself between a Hoosier and his guns, you *might* have a problem. :P
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