BURBANK, Calif. - John McCain, who often invokes his ordeal as a Vietnam war prisoner to show his devotion to his country as he runs for U.S. president, drew on the experience again on Monday -- this time to deflect sniping over the number of houses he owns.
McCain's Democratic rival Barack Obama last week accused the Republican senator of being out of touch with ordinary people after he was unable to say in an interview how many houses were owned by him and his wife Cindy, a wealthy heiress to a beer distributorship.
In an appearance on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, McCain, 71, said his priority was to keep Americans in their homes in tough economic times.
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Then he recalled his Vietnam experience.
"I spent 5 1/2 years in a prison cell without -- I didn't have a house. I didn't have a kitchen table. I didn't have a table. I didn't have a chair," he said.
"I spent those 5 1/2 years ... not because I wanted to get a house when I got out."
Because, ya'know, he really doesn't like to talk about it...
McCain's POW status has evolved from something that was supposed to show how patriotic he was, into some sort of bizarre totem word he desperately chants in hope of deflecting harm. Hopefully he'll keep up this shit, and people will get bored of it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26399647/
Darth Wong wrote:
Whatever McCain's record as a soldier may have been, his record as a civilian is shit.
His record as a soldier isn't that great either. Didn't he lose something like five aircraft during his time as an aviator?
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Darth Wong wrote:
Whatever McCain's record as a soldier may have been, his record as a civilian is shit.
His record as a soldier isn't that great either. Didn't he lose something like five aircraft during his time as an aviator?
It's kind of tough to blame a pilot for "losing" aircraft unless he's done soemthing really dangerous for no good reason, say hot-dogging around to show off or some other nonsense. Combat isn't exactly safe and the risks are obvious. He was in a shooting war with lots of anit-aircraft fire and missiles defending the targets.
But having been a competent pilot (or soldier or Airman or Marine) has little to do with running the country as a whole. The experience may be useful, but military advisors in a president's cabinet are there for a reason too.
"We can't let our soldiers come home in disgrace for surrendering to our enemies in Iraq. John McCain knows a thing or two about what happens when you surrender."
I'm John McCain, I got tortured and I approved this message.
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I wonder if those other 600 guys that were held prisoner at the Hanoi Hilton also got 7 houses and a Barbie love doll? After all, they didn't have tables, or chairs, or kitchens, either...
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Coyote wrote:I wonder if those other 600 guys that were held prisoner at the Hanoi Hilton also got 7 houses and a Barbie love doll? After all, they didn't have tables, or chairs, or kitchens, either...
It would be interesting to know how much he did to help out the other people who were imprisoned with him, once he got back to the US and his Perfect Life.
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"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Darth Wong wrote:
It would be interesting to know how much he did to help out the other people who were imprisoned with him, once he got back to the US and his Perfect Life.
I'm guessing jack and shit.
And this is why you don't watch anything produced by Ronald D. Moore after he had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a bag of elephant semen.-Gramzamber, on why Caprica sucks
Darth Wong wrote:
It would be interesting to know how much he did to help out the other people who were imprisoned with him, once he got back to the US and his Perfect Life.
I'm guessing jack and shit.
Of course. After all, if the Gimp could manage to be born into a Navy family with a father and grandfather who were both admirals, and marry into money, then goddammit his fellow P.O.Ws should have had the gumption to manage the same thing to earn their way to success.
It's the Republikan Way.
When ballots have fairly and constitutionally decided, there can be no successful appeal back to bullets.
—Abraham Lincoln
People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House
Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
Darth Wong wrote:
It would be interesting to know how much he did to help out the other people who were imprisoned with him, once he got back to the US and his Perfect Life.
I'm guessing jack and shit.
Of course. After all, if the Gimp could manage to be born into a Navy family with a father and grandfather who were both admirals, and marry into money, then goddammit his fellow P.O.Ws should have had the gumption to manage the same thing to earn their way to success.
It's the Republikan Way.
Did anyone mention that he finished 844th in his class of 849 and probably only got into Annapolis because daddy pulled strings?
"I'm John McCain and the only thing more tortured than me is my message, which I approved."
We pissing our pants yet?
-Negan
You got your shittin' pants on? Because you’re about to Shit. Your. Pants!
-Negan
He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches.
-George Bernard Shaw
Solauren wrote:I'm not sure you can count the Carrier incident on him really.
That not excusing the other 4 times however.
Two of those were engine failures, one was him flying too low, the fourth was enemy fire. Apart from the power line incident - and I couldn't find much details on that - I don't think you can hold his crashes against him, even if he was described as a sub-par pilot.
I'd be interesting to read his trap record; I assume carrier landings were graded back then? Or was that more of a post-Vietnam peacetime thing? Might give some insight into his abilities as a naval aviator versus the abilities of family connections to keep him in the cockpit.
What was the name of the guy who lost several of his limbs in Vietnam, and who was immediately attacked by the GOP? They lied when they said that marital fidelity was important to them, and frankly, they're lying about the importance of wartime sacrifice too. There is no single argument they can make upon which they have not contradicted themselves, except for the part about making the world safer for ultra-rich people. On THAT score, they've been rock solid.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Max Cleland —lost both legs and an arm in 'Nam instead of being a GOP draft-dodging chickenhawk.
When ballots have fairly and constitutionally decided, there can be no successful appeal back to bullets.
—Abraham Lincoln
People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House
Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
Patrick Degan wrote:Max Cleland —lost both legs and an arm in 'Nam instead of being a GOP draft-dodging chickenhawk.
IIRC, wasn't he maimed by a faulty grenade that blew up in his combat gear? The one some GOP bigwig called a 'non patriot?'
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Solauren wrote:I'm not sure you can count the Carrier incident on him really.
That not excusing the other 4 times however.
Two of those were engine failures, one was him flying too low, the fourth was enemy fire. Apart from the power line incident - and I couldn't find much details on that - I don't think you can hold his crashes against him, even if he was described as a sub-par pilot.
It's all speculation until we can read his Navy records.
Which brings us to the point that McCain hasn't signed a standard form 180, which would allow the Navy to release them.
The GOP pilloried Kerry mercilessly over his refusal to sign one.
IIRC, he eventually did so, but after the election was over.
Bush signed one, so given the GOP's stance on releasing one's military records to the public, the question needs to be asked.
What's McCain hiding?
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Oh, don't even bother comparing Kerry with McCain, because if you do, you also begin to slowly remember the coordinated Right Wing Slime Machine screaming about him marrying his rich heiress wife. But beer is more patriotic than ketchup, I guess.
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Out Of Context theatre: Ron Paul has repeatedly said he's not a racist. - Destructinator XIII on why Ron Paul isn't racist.
I wish McSame's campaign team would be stupid enough to run that picture of him and Cindy holding lightsabers. Am I the only one who thinks of dildos whenever seeing it?
Turns out that a five way cross over between It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, the Ali G Show, Fargo, Idiocracy and Veep is a lot less funny when you're actually living in it.
Solauren wrote:I'm not sure you can count the Carrier incident on him really.
That not excusing the other 4 times however.
Two of those were engine failures, one was him flying too low, the fourth was enemy fire. Apart from the power line incident - and I couldn't find much details on that - I don't think you can hold his crashes against him, even if he was described as a sub-par pilot.
It's all speculation until we can read his Navy records.
Which brings us to the point that McCain hasn't signed a standard form 180, which would allow the Navy to release them.
The GOP pilloried Kerry mercilessly over his refusal to sign one.
IIRC, he eventually did so, but after the election was over.
Bush signed one, so given the GOP's stance on releasing one's military records to the public, the question needs to be asked.
What's McCain hiding?
Probably some really nasty and embarrassing torture shit that isn't anyone's business but the Navy's, McCain's, and those he chooses to talk to about the specifics.
We pissing our pants yet?
-Negan
You got your shittin' pants on? Because you’re about to Shit. Your. Pants!
-Negan
He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches.
-George Bernard Shaw
Glocksman wrote:
It's all speculation until we can read his Navy records.
Which brings us to the point that McCain hasn't signed a standard form 180, which would allow the Navy to release them.
...
What's McCain hiding?
Probably some really nasty and embarrassing torture shit that isn't anyone's business but the Navy's, McCain's, and those he chooses to talk to about the specifics.
You mean everyone who's asked him a single question in this campaign on any subject?
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