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BLOOMINGTON, MINN. -- As the political spotlight shifts to the upcoming Republican convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul, GOP leaders are closely monitoring the movements of Tropical Storm Gustav, which is approaching hurricane strength as it heads toward the Gulf Coast.

Party officials are discussing the possibility of postponing convention proceedings if the threat to New Orleans and other Gulf Coast areas grows. If there is serious damage in the Gulf Coast, images of Republicans partying in Minneapolis-St. Paul could be an embarrassing reminder of the Bush administration's delayed response to Hurricane Katrina three years ago.

Forecasters predicted that the storm could come ashore Tuesday morning as a Category 3 hurricane, with winds in the 113- to 130-mph range. That would be in the middle of the Republican convention, which runs from Monday through Thursday.

There is perhaps no issue over which McCain has been more critical of the Bush administration than its handling of the 2005 storm, which the Arizona Republican has called "disgraceful."

In New Orleans in April, McCain distanced himself from President Bush, telling an audience in the city's Lower 9th Ward: "Never again will a disaster of this nature be handled in the terrible and disgraceful way it's been handled."

Asked about a possible postponement, Tucker Bounds, a McCain spokesman, said the presumptive Republican presidential nominee "has always taken into consideration national emergencies. . . . We are monitoring the situation very closely."

A damaging hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico also could highlight the risk of offshore drilling in the area at a time when McCain is championing the practice.

In Washington, Bush -- scheduled to speak at the Republican convention Monday -- was receiving what White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said were "regular updates" about the storm's progress.

Perino said it was "too premature to say" whether Bush would alter his plan to speak to the convention.

Matt Burns, communications director for the Republican National Convention, emphasized that officials have not made any changes in their plans related to Gustav.

"At this juncture we are moving ahead with the planning of our convention, and there have been no changes to our schedule of events. We obviously share the concerns of many Americans as we watch the developments," Burns said.

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So, this must have been part of the 10% chance for change we can expect from the Gimp:
In New Orleans in April, McCain distanced himself from President Bush, telling an audience in the city's Lower 9th Ward: "Never again will a disaster of this nature be handled in the terrible and disgraceful way it's been handled."
Of course not. Under a Gimp presidency, a disaster of this nature will be handled in a different terrible and disgraceful way.
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Getting some outer bands from the storm all the way in Orlando. Predictions that it will reach Cat 5 are already out. It's already a 4. There's nothing good that can come from this storm, especially if it hits New Orleans again. For those in the path of this monster, I hope the predictions are wrong and it will slow down considerably, but it isn't looking that way so far. This is shaping up to be a real frightening one.
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For those in the path of this monster
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Regardless of how the Federal government will handle things this time, it looks like the city and state governments are taking this seriously and handling it ahead of time.
New York Times wrote:Hurricane Gustav Strengthens to Category 4
By ADAM NOSSITER and SHAILA DEWAN

NEW ORLEANS — As potentially dangerous Hurricane Gustav approached the Louisiana coast on Saturday, New Orleans began a far more carefully planned evacuation of the city than it experienced exactly three years ago when Katrina struck. Buses began ferrying low-income residents to shelters in the north, cars began streaming out on interstate highways and hotels shooed away valuable tourists.

New Orleans was expected to get at least tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Gustav by Monday. By midday Saturday the storm had strengthened into a Category Four hurricane with winds of up to 145 miles per hour as it moved toward Cuba and the Gulf of Mexico, and forecasters said it was most likely to strike the Louisiana coast early Tuesday. New Orleans could get winds of up to 73 miles per hour, and possibly greater.

Officials here, exercising deliberate caution after the disaster of three years ago, said they could declare a mandatory evacuation of the city by early Sunday morning.

“I am strongly, strongly encouraging everyone in the city to evacuate,” Mayor C. Ray Nagin said in a news conference Saturday afternoon. “Start the process now. Go north if you can because the storm may continue to turn a little bit west.”

Mr. Nagin said that if the hurricane continues on its current path, a mandatory evacuation will be implented — probably about 8 a.m. Sunday.

Hotels were closing, and the sound of boards being hammered over windows could be heard. The state police on Saturday morning reported moderately heavy traffic on a principal highway north, Interstate 55, and a voluntary city-organized evacuation plan for the poor, elderly and sick — the principal victims in Hurricane Katrina — was in full swing.

Dozens waited outside for buses at 17 collection points all over the city to take them to the Union Passenger Terminal, the train station downtown. From there they will be taken by bus and train to cities in north Louisiana — Shreveport, Alexandria and Monroe — and to Memphis. They clutched duffle bags, plastic shopping sacks, small children and overstuffed suitcases, vowing to avoid at all costs the still-vivid nightmare of Katrina.

The buses arrived promptly at 8 a.m. — a sharp contrast to the chaos and disorganization of three years ago, when the only plan was to jam thousands of people without cars into the Superdome and let others fend for themselves.

“I refuse to go through that again,” said Roxanne Clayton, a photo technician at Walgreens, who was waiting in the Irish Channel neighborhood with her teenage son and 10-year-old daughter. She recalled being stuck in her attic for two days during Hurricane Katrina. “I’d rather play it safe than sorry, because I know what sorry feels like,” Ms. Clayton said.

A neighbor from the larger houses up Louisiana Avenue brought doughnuts for those patiently waiting, and many said they were simply grateful for the ride out of town.

In the Tremé neighborhood, bordering the French Quarter, large families without cars, and some who were simply homeless, waited for buses that quickly filled. “If you’ve been through Katrina, it’s time for you to go,” said Marion Colbert, a powder room attendant at a French Quarter restaurant for more than three decades. “You never know about these storms if you’ve been living in the city 80 years.”

In the Central City section, families, elderly men and the visibly infirm — people in wheelchairs and with canes — lined the sidewalk along Dryades Street for half a long block. “After going through Katrina, that ain’t no joke,” said Jody Anderson, who spent seven days in the Superdome. “It’s not worth it, trying to stay,” said Ms. Anderson, an unemployed former cashier.

Still, there were few signs of a mass exodus, though gasoline stations were crowded. With forecasters not predicting a direct hit on New Orleans, some here had made the decision to stay. “My sense from talking to citizens is that they are either in an extreme state of ‘anxious to leave,’ or they’re just tired and ‘I don’t want to be bothered,’ ” Mayor Nagin told reporters late Friday.

State officials prepared an elaborate system of contraflow lanes on interstate and federal highways leading out of southern Louisiana, staging the plans so that those farthest south could exit first. In St. Bernard Parish, just east of New Orleans, officials ordered a mandatory evacuation beginning at 4 p.m. Saturday, warning residents that curfews would be enforced. The parish was one of the hardest hit in Hurricane Katrina, and many of its residents never returned.

Hurricane Gustav remained south of Cuba early Saturday, having already killed 78 people in the Caribbean. Forecasts of its track said it could strike the United States mainland from the Florida panhandle on the east to the Texas coast, though the center of the track remained the Louisiana coast well west of New Orleans. Whatever its exact landing point, storm surges could cause serious damage throughout the region.

Contributing to some greater sense of security this time around are improvements to the system of levees around the city that failed so disastrously last time.

In particular, floodgates have been constructed at the end of city drainage canals leading to Lake Pontchartrain — the principal conduits for the fateful surge during Katrina. Still, there is no such arrangement on the Industrial Canal, the surge from which destroyed the still-empty Lower Ninth Ward.

Some institutions — hospitals and nursing homes, where many died during Katrina — were taking no chances, already ferrying patients north of the area on Friday.

The Louisiana National Guard’s 7,000 troops were mobilized on Friday, and 1,500 were on the ground in New Orleans, in part to forestall looting, a serious problem during Katrina.

Amber Hebert of the state transportation department said that 14,000 people had registered for the evacuation program and that about 150 buses were already in use, with 300 school buses to be pressed into service by Saturday afternoon.

Meanwhile, Mr. Nagin said a city hotline on assisted evacuations had been “bombarded” with some 17,000 calls. The city plans to send police and firefighters into the neighborhoods with bullhorns, urging residents to leave. Many clearly needed no such encouragement.

“I don’t want to be stuck like I was in Katrina,” said Janice McElveen, who recalled being stranded on the I-10 bridge for five days. She was waiting for a bus in the Irish Channel.

At the St. Claude Car Wash, a line of cars stretched down the street, waiting to get leaky tires repaired and flats replaced for the drive out of town. Barry Martin, a United Parcel Service worker waiting, said it was the shortest of several lines he had seen. His sport-utility vehicle was empty of luggage; Mr. Martin said he would leave early Sunday morning, picking his destination based on which direction had the lightest traffic. “If everyone’s heading west,” he said, “I’m going to go to Florida.”

For others here, the party was not yet over. Troy Meryhew, in town for Southern Decadence, a festival for gay men and lesbians, said the storm had had little effect on the festivities — except for the sawing and hammering as his hotel boarded up windows. He said his flight on Monday was still scheduled to depart, and the hotel was staying open. “As long as our hotel’s open and there’s liquor, we’re fine,” Mr. Meryhew said.

But Mayor Nagin was urging all tourists to leave immediately. “Tourists definitely get out,” he said Saturday. “And then the next time you hear us it’s going to be get the heck out.”

Michelle Barnes, a French Quarter resident, was nearly in tears, worried that she would not be allowed on the bus with her little dog, Jack, who was resting in a black canvas bag. Evacuees had been instructed to keep their pets in a carrying case, but Ms. Barnes did not have one. “I just hope,” Ms. Barnes said, “because otherwise I won’t leave.”

Melvin McKay, 69, had neatly written his name, phone number and address, and that of his 86-year-old sister, on cards cut from a manila folder, in case the family got separated, as was the case with so many Katrina evacuees. Mr. Melvin, whose sister uses a wheelchair, was anxiously conferring with Amelia Francis, 82, who also uses one, because the first two buses to arrive did not have wheelchair lifts. Mr. Melvin said that if all else failed, he could drive his sister to the train station, but his car was not fit to leave the city.

A little while later a wheelchair van arrived and the concern was resolved.

Carla Baranauckas contributed reporting from New York.
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Commander 598 wrote:
For those in the path of this monster
S'up?
Technically your not in the path..

Your in north Louisiana, which by the time it reaches there, the Storm will have diminished considerably.

Right now, I know of voluntary evacuations having begun since yesterday for all 14 Parishes below Interstate 10 - my home parish of Lafourche has a mandatory evacuation scheduled for now, with no one allowed back except for first responders, barring hurricane course change. All stores closed at 3PM CST and won't reopen till then.

Personally...I'm expecting Gustav to turn West towards the Texas/Mexico area, and more than likely hitting near Galveston. That said, whoever is in the path of this beast won't have it easy in the slightest.
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Whatever happen to last year's up to the minute Hurricane disscussion threads?

Anyway a quick shot of Gustav
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By all indications we are looking at a something between a direct hit, to a repeat performance to a glancing blow with the small adition of the fact the Storm is expected to weaken to Cat 3 by tomorrow at noon EST and be back up to 4 and possibly Cat 5 by 0100 Monday just in time to slam into the Coast.

Best news it breaks up after hitting Cuba(Unlikley) just a real bad storm hits the coast.

Worst case it's barely phased by Cuba, keeping gathering strength right up until it hits the coast and goes right up the Bay or goes the other way and roars right up the bay at Houstan both strong possibilities, or it splits the difference and goes up the middle, we will know by noon tomorrow where it's going to get slammed.

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CaptJodan wrote:For those in the path of this monster
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DarkSilver wrote:
Commander 598 wrote:
For those in the path of this monster
S'up?
Technically your not in the path..

Your in north Louisiana, which by the time it reaches there, the Storm will have diminished considerably.
I don't recall him mentioning any specifics, besides, from all appearances, it'll still be classed as a hurricane by the time I feel it.
Personally...I'm expecting Gustav to turn West towards the Texas/Mexico area, and more than likely hitting near Galveston.
I'm not. The models have been pretty consistent for awhile now.
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Well, they were consistent... GFDL is the one you should really be watching, as it's said to be the one that "has the most weight" with forecasters by way of having extra data.
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Skeetobite Weather has some very excellent maps of past and present tropical storms and were (IIRC) the first to start producing some of the more detailed ones besides the cone-of-death.

Gustav's track is fairly well established (but, as always, subject to change)

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Hanna's track, however, is up in the air:

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Mr Bean wrote:Whatever happen to last year's up to the minute Hurricane disscussion threads?
I just started one I was catching up on a few things and didn't get to it till just now.
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phongn wrote: Hanna's track, however, is up in the air:

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That is one of the single most screwy track possibilities I've ever seen for a Hurricane. Loops, doubling back, more loops. Jeez...
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I think that's just their way of saying, "We don't have a fucking clue, but we've got to show you something, right?"
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Commander 598 wrote:S'up?
how did you do during Katrina with the Swamp? does the storm surge go that far inland where you live, etc? Details please.

Also chertoff says they'll do better than Katrina.
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Phantasee wrote:I think that's just their way of saying, "We don't have a fucking clue, but we've got to show you something, right?"
IIRC those predictions are based off past storms, as well as varying factors put in (air pressure, high and low pressure systems, etc.).

Also Einhander Sn0m4n, nice avatar choice... :lol:
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Saxtonite wrote:Also chertoff says they'll do better than Katrina.
They'd better, or we'll see History made: the total loss of an American city.
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Saxtonite wrote:Also chertoff says they'll do better than Katrina.
They'd better, or we'll see History made: the total loss of an American city.
For someone a tad more familiar with economics, politics, and whatnot, could someone tell me what the likely result of the loss of a major population/economic center like NO would be, aside from 'really fucking bad.'
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Aratech wrote:For someone a tad more familiar with economics, politics, and whatnot, could someone tell me what the likely result of the loss of a major population/economic center like NO would be, aside from 'really fucking bad.'
New Orleans is a port and helps with the shipping of goods from out the Mississippi up the river. IIRC there are also Oil Refineries in New Orleans, increased gas prices. Then there's the semantics/cultural stuff like where to house Mardi Gras, the loss of one of the places a lot of music was helped to be created, etc.

In general cities provide a lot of economic goodness, population, where roads meet and the like, etc. It messes up the economy to have a city destroyed; especially if it's important as a transport hub/stop.

Einhander Sn0m4n, what do you mean? Didn't that basically happen after Katrina given the heavy economic losses, that people STILL are trying to repair and head back to the city, etc. Or am I wrong?

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Saxtonite wrote:Also chertoff says they'll do better than Katrina.
One certainly hopes so. Not that their efforts during Katrina set a very high bar.
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It's looking pretty certain the RNC will be postponed at least one day. The Wonder Chimp and several southern governors who were all scheduled to speak on Day 1 have pulled out. It'll fuck up a lot of people's plans, but it turns out they have the building reserved all the way to the 14th, so they have some flexibility.
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Everything now depends upon the movement of a high-pressure area from the northeast. If it comes in a bit faster, Gustav's track will shift back a bit further west. If it just hangs where it is, it will make the Barataria landfall or perhaps jog just a bit further to the east, which will be even worse for New Orleans and the tri-parish area.
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And... Michael Moore is a shithead
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To liberal documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, the bounds are seemingly endless. Moore has made a recent career out of attacking President George W. Bush, bashing conservatives and criticizing business. His latest outrage occurred on MSNBC’s August 29 “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” and when he commented about the coincidental timing of an unfortunate disaster – the potential for Hurricane Gustav to make landfall at the beginning of the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn.

“I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven,” Moore said, laughing. “To have it planned at the same time – that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities – at the top of the Mississippi River.”
He's practically fapping to the idea of Gustav impacting on the republican convention.
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RedImperator wrote:It's looking pretty certain the RNC will be postponed at least one day. The Wonder Chimp and several southern governors who were all scheduled to speak on Day 1 have pulled out.
And that is the right thing to do - evacuating so much of the Gulf Coast is more important that the RNC. I also saw video on CNN where Bush said he would NOT be visiting New Orleans today or until "the situation permits" because he doesn't want to impede the preparations or rescue personnel in any way. Probably one of the most responsible statement to come out of his mouth that I can recall.

Latest storm projection I saw still has it heading for a near-miss just west of NOLA, due to make landfall at 8 am tomorrow morning.
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Broomstick wrote:
RedImperator wrote:It's looking pretty certain the RNC will be postponed at least one day. The Wonder Chimp and several southern governors who were all scheduled to speak on Day 1 have pulled out.
And that is the right thing to do - evacuating so much of the Gulf Coast is more important that the RNC. I also saw video on CNN where Bush said he would NOT be visiting New Orleans today or until "the situation permits" because he doesn't want to impede the preparations or rescue personnel in any way. Probably one of the most responsible statement to come out of his mouth that I can recall.

Latest storm projection I saw still has it heading for a near-miss just west of NOLA, due to make landfall at 8 am tomorrow morning.
It's one of the rare moments for the GOP when the right thing to do is good politics. Can you imagine the blowback if the networks are showing a split screen: Republicans partying on one side, New Orleans drowning (again) on the other?
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