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Vegetarian group airs questionable hot dog ad.

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Not sure if this should go here or SLAM, as there appears to be a lot of overlap.
The Article wrote:CHICAGO (Aug. 27) - A new TV commercial shows kids eating hot dogs in a school cafeteria and one little boy's haunting lament: "I was dumbfounded when the doctor told me I have late-stage colon cancer."

It's a startling revelation in an ad that vilifies one of America's most beloved, if maligned, foods, while stoking fears about a dreaded disease.

But the boy doesn't have cancer. Neither do two other kids in the ad who claim to be afflicted.

The commercial's pro-vegetarian sponsors say it's a dramatization that highlights research linking processed meats, including hot dogs, with higher odds of getting colon cancer.

But that connection is based on studies of adults, not children, and the increased risk is slight, even if you ate a hot dog a day. While compelling, it isn't conclusive.

So what exactly is the truth about hot dogs?

The 33-second ad launched last month in several U.S. cities provides the perfect opportunity to separate fact from fiction about this mysterious yet so familiar meat. It is to run in September in Chicago and Denver.

The bottom line from several nutritionists familiar with the ad is this: Hot dogs aren't exactly a "health food," but eating one every now and then probably won't hurt you.

"My concern about this campaign is it's giving the indication that the occasional hot dog in the school lunch is going to increase cancer risk," said Colleen Doyle, the American Cancer Society's nutrition director. "An occasional hot dog isn't going to increase that risk."

Americans as a whole eat hot dogs more than occasionally. According to the National Hot Dog & Sausage Council, U.S. consumers spent more than $4 billion on hot dogs and sausages last year. That includes more than 1.5 billion pounds of hot dogs and sausages bought at retail stores alone.
The health concerns primarily come from their high fat and salt content and sodium nitrate and nitrite, commonly added preservatives and color-enhancers. Nitrate-related substances have been reported to cause cancer in animals, but there's no proof they do that in people.

Hot dogs typically contain muscle meat trimmings from pork or beef. Contrary to legend, they do not contain animal eyeballs, hooves or genitals, according to the Hot Dog Council's Janet Riley. But the government does allow them to contain pig snouts and stomachs, cow lips and livers, goat gullets and lamb spleens. If they have these byproducts, the label should spell out which ones, a U.S. Department of Agriculture spokeswoman said.

Some also are made with leaner meats, including turkey, as well as tofu or soy protein.

Check the label of a name-brand hot dog, and chances are fat provides around 80 percent of total calories, more than double what's often advised. What's more, saturated fat and trans fat — the fats most strongly linked with artery-clogging — are common ingredients, in some cases providing at least half the fat content.

The hot dog council called the new ad an alarmist scare tactic, but the promoters, a group called The Cancer Project, defend their campaign.
Dr. Neal Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, called the ad "a way to raise appropriate concern about a deadly concern." Barnard also heads The Cancer Project, an offshoot of his anti-meat advocacy group.

Hot dogs may be considered as American as apple pie, but Barnard said it's time to change that tradition.

"Children are born with no traditions whatsoever," he said. "You or I might think a hot dog, that just goes with baseball ... We can always change our traditions to be healthful."

The new ad is based on an analysis of five studies in adults by scientists working with cancer research groups not affiliated with Barnard's.

Their report last November said eating 50 grams a day of processed meats for several years increases colorectal cancer risk by 21 percent. That equals about one hot dog a day or two deli slices of bologna or five slices of bacon.
The duration of daily consumption linked with that higher risk is uncertain. Colorectal cancer was diagnosed between three and 19 years after the studies began, but participants could have been eating processed meats for years before that, said dietitian Karen Collins, nutrition adviser with the American Institute for Cancer Research, a group that analyzed the studies.

For a U.S. adult, eating one hot dog daily for several years would increase the average risk of getting colorectal cancer, which is 5.8 percent, to 7 percent. On a population level, it would increase the number of people nationwide who get colorectal cancer each year from 58 per 100,000 people to 70 per 100,000, Collins said.

"It's not the kind of impact on risk that, say, tobacco smoking has on lung cancer. But on the other hand, colon cancer is one of our most common cancers, so small changes still affect a lot of people," Collins said.
Eating a hot dog once or twice a month would mean up to about a 1.4 percent increased risk, she said. "The risk we get from things like lack of physical activity, excess body weight, lack of adequate vegetables and fruits, these are much more important to work on than to worry about" a 1.4 percent increased risk.

Scientists who analyzed the studies recommend avoiding processed meat — advice that makes sense, said Lilian Cheung, of the nutrition department at Harvard's School of Public Health.

Cheung is not connected to Barnard's group, but called its campaign "a good spark plug" to improve school foods and raise awareness.

The ad is part of a campaign to improve foods in schools and get the government to stop providing processed meats. The government provides some, such as ham and processed turkey. However hot dogs, pepperoni pizza, bacon and other popular processed meats are bought from local vendors, not the federal government, according to the USDA.

Cancer Project promoters want all processed meats off school menus. They recently issued a report analyzing menus from one month last spring at 28 large school districts. Half got failing grades for serving too much processed meat.

Many school districts are working to improve their menus, including Chicago's, which is among those the Cancer Project "failed."
However, Chicago schools' hot dogs are zero-trans-fat turkey dogs, said spokesman Franklin Shuftan.
This ad seems to be over the line to me (the ad is in the article proper, if you want to see it). It's certainly misleading or deceptive. I'm not sure how much of the concern of the group for the cancer risk is really just a hidden desire to ban meat because "meat is murder."

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I've already been acquainted with this particular piece of veggie-freak nonsense. It's such a ham-handed and laughable ploy that I'm surprised PETA isn't responsible.
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Because if you can get colon cancer by eating several pounds of meat a day, clearly eating ANY meat is utterly bad for you.

I notice the veggies/vegans never point out the issues with their diets, which can be just as full of badness if not handled well. Gee, who'd have thought balance would mean so much.

Cutting out more meat in my diet is something I do on the grounds of looking out for the environment we live in. I never ate enough processed animal meat to warrant these scare tactics, for sure. But then working in the animal testing industry, I'm well aware of the lies such people will spin in order to sway public opinion.
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I just wish they'd leave well enough alone. They make themselves and other vegetarians who don't act like assholes targets. I expect when I go somewhere and don't want to eat meat not to be ridiculed or given scare tactics to force me to eat meat, and I don't think other vegetarians should be pulling this shit in reverse either.
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They'd probably have more of an impact if they played those ads here in Canada with all that listeria scare from tainted meat.
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The vegetarians who want to ban meat are using tactics favored by American conservatards and right-wing nuts who paint China as the next "evil empire" with thinly-veiled racism, in order to rally public opinion against China. These tactics only work on people too lazy or stupid to do their own research; unfortunately, the US has no shortage of lazy or stupid people.
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They should do a commercial where they replace the hot dogs with fake penises. And show people eating them, in detail. It would get them attention and freak everybody out. They love controversy, so they really should stick a penis in some buns and add ketchup and have somebody eat it.

(That was probably the most innuendo-laden sentence I've ever written.)
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Enigma wrote:They'd probably have more of an impact if they played those ads here in Canada with all that listeria scare from tainted meat.
Couldn't they actually be sued for libel and slander in Canada if they did that? Considering how absurd American libel law is.
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Errr...... doesn't the Japanese americans link show that Nitrates and processed meat is a leading cause in stomach and colon cancer? Sure, lack of fresh fruits and veggies is a cause but so is the consumption of large amounts of red meat and processed foods.
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PainRack wrote:Errr...... doesn't the Japanese americans link show that Nitrates and processed meat is a leading cause in stomach and colon cancer? Sure, lack of fresh fruits and veggies is a cause but so is the consumption of large amounts of red meat and processed foods.
The key word here is LARGE amounts. The ad specifically says small amounts of meat can lead to cancer, which is a flat out lie. However, while they say small amounts at the same time they show a rather massive amount of hot dogs, pepperoni pizza, etc. which is rather misleading.
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It's not the first time I saw that, IIRC Hot dogs contain all sorts of poisonous baddies in them. The Hot Dog-cancer discussion isn't new either.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208307,00.html

I remember reading something on a textfile that dates from the 1990s talking about all the bad chemicals in Hot Dogs, saying stuff like Formadelhyde was in it. no sure about that however.
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Saxtonite wrote:It's not the first time I saw that, IIRC Hot dogs contain all sorts of poisonous baddies in them. The Hot Dog-cancer discussion isn't new either.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208307,00.html

I remember reading something on a textfile that dates from the 1990s talking about all the bad chemicals in Hot Dogs, saying stuff like Formadelhyde was in it. no sure about that however.
The article you just posted may as well be just saying "blah blah blah" for all the useful information it has. Especially this bit:
Hot dogs are preserved with sodium nitrite, which can help form chemicals known as N-nitroso compounds, most of which cause cancer in lab animals.
This is very misleading. Yes, there are many harmful nitroso compounds, no, not all of them cause cancer in lab animals.
Yes, I know it's a wiki source wrote:Sodium nitrate is used as an ingredient in fertilizers, pyrotechnics, as a food preservative, and as a solid rocket propellants, as well as in glass and pottery enamels; the compound has been mined extensively for those purposes.
That seems like an awful lot of variety. Just perhaps the version of the compound used in food preservatives aren't as harmful as people are trying to make them out to be?
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Hands off my goddamn hotdog! Besides, I only eat Hebrew National brand. All beef for the win, no funky wierdass meat dribblets. I don't know about the chemicals, but I gotta say, formeldehyde has never tasted so good.
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The original article reported a study on processed meats and cancer risk.
Their report last November said eating 50 grams a day of processed meats for several years increases colorectal cancer risk by 21 percent. That equals about one hot dog a day or two deli slices of bologna or five slices of bacon.

The duration of daily consumption linked with that higher risk is uncertain. Colorectal cancer was diagnosed between three and 19 years after the studies began, but participants could have been eating processed meats for years before that, said dietitian Karen Collins, nutrition adviser with the American Institute for Cancer Research, a group that analyzed the studies.

For a U.S. adult, eating one hot dog daily for several years would increase the average risk of getting colorectal cancer, which is 5.8 percent, to 7 percent. On a population level, it would increase the number of people nationwide who get colorectal cancer each year from 58 per 100,000 people to 70 per 100,000, Collins said.
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This is always going to be one of the most argued to death subjects, because there is probably no science as impossibly vast and subjective as medical science. For every little nugget of information we learn, there is undoubtedly TRILLIONS of other pieces of info that could paint the comprehensive picture. Jesus, we'd have a hard enough time trying to get a full portrait based on one single human being and their system in relation to diet and drugs. We have to deal with a myriad of genders, ages, races, etc.

It's absolutely massive. This will always lead to sides with an agenda exaggerating their position. Mea Culpa should be the hugely operative attitude here.
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