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Saturday Aug. 30, 2008 12:44 EDT
Massive police raids on suspected protestors in Minneapolis

[updated below (with video) - Update II - Update III]

Protesters here in Minneapolis have been targeted by a series of highly intimidating, sweeping police raids across the city, involving teams of 25-30 officers in riot gear, with semi-automatic weapons drawn, entering homes of those suspected of planning protests, handcuffing and forcing them to lay on the floor, while law enforcement officers searched the homes, seizing computers, journals, and political pamphlets. Last night, members of the St. Paul police department and the Ramsey County sheriff's department handcuffed, photographed and detained dozens of people meeting at a public venue to plan a demonstration, charging them with no crime other than "fire code violations," and early this morning, the Sheriff's department sent teams of officers into at least four Minneapolis area homes where suspected protesters were staying.

Jane Hamsher and I were at two of those homes this morning -- one which had just been raided and one which was in the process of being raided. Each of the raided houses is known by neighbors as a "hippie house," where 5-10 college-aged individuals live in a communal setting, and everyone we spoke with said that there had never been any problems of any kind in those houses, that they were filled with "peaceful kids" who are politically active but entirely unthreatening and friendly. Posted below is the video of the scene, including various interviews, which convey a very clear sense of what is actually going on here.

In the house that had just been raided, those inside described how a team of roughly 25 officers had barged into their homes with masks and black swat gear, holding large semi-automatic rifles, and ordered them to lie on the floor, where they were handcuffed and ordered not to move. The officers refused to state why they were there and, until the very end, refused to show whether they had a search warrant. They were forced to remain on the floor for 45 minutes while the officers took away the laptops, computers, individual journals, and political materials kept in the house. One of the individuals renting the house, an 18-year-old woman, was extremely shaken as she and others described how the officers were deliberately making intimidating statements such as "Do you have Terminator ready?" as they lay on the floor in handcuffs. The 10 or so individuals in the house all said that though they found the experience very jarring, they still intended to protest against the GOP Convention, and several said that being subjected to raids of that sort made them more emboldened than ever to do so.

Several of those who were arrested are being represented by Bruce Nestor, the President of the Minnesota chapter of the National Lawyers' Guild. Nestor said that last night's raid involved a meeting of a group calling itself the "RNC Welcoming Committee", and that this morning's raids appeared to target members of "Food Not Bombs," which he described as an anti-war, anti-authoritarian protest group. There was not a single act of violence or illegality that has taken place, Nestor said. Instead, the raids were purely anticipatory in nature, and clearly designed to frighten people contemplating taking part in any unauthorized protests.

Nestor indicated that only 2 or 3 of the 50 individuals who were handcuffed this morning at the 2 houses were actually arrested and charged with a crime, and the crime they were charged with is "conspiracy to commit riot." Nestor, who has practiced law in Minnesota for many years, said that he had never before heard of that statute being used for anything, and that its parameters are so self-evidently vague, designed to allow pre-emeptive arrests of those who are peacefully protesting, that it is almost certainly unconstitutional, though because it had never been invoked (until now), its constitutionality had not been tested.

There is clearly an intent on the part of law enforcement authorities here to engage in extreme and highly intimidating raids against those who are planning to protest the Convention. The DNC in Denver was the site of several quite ugly incidents where law enforcement acted on behalf of Democratic Party officials and the corporate elite that funded the Convention to keep the media and protesters from doing anything remotely off-script. But the massive and plainly excessive preemptive police raids in Minnesota are of a different order altogether. Targeting people with automatic-weapons-carrying SWAT teams and mass raids in their homes, who are suspected of nothing more than planning dissident political protests at a political convention and who have engaged in no illegal activity whatsoever, is about as redolent of the worst tactics of a police state as can be imagined.
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There's MUCH more at Salon. This is unbefuckinglievable: straight out of Chicago in 1968.
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I'm kind of shocked that it happened in Minnesota. It has a bit more of a leftist & Democratic base than most midwestern states.

I suppose they just wanted to get in on the "War On Terror" before it's over and protesters were as close as they could get. :roll:
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Several of those who were arrested are being represented by Bruce Nestor, the President of the Minnesota chapter of the National Lawyers' Guild. Nestor said that last night's raid involved a meeting of a group calling itself the "RNC Welcoming Committee", and that this morning's raids appeared to target members of "Food Not Bombs," which he described as an anti-war, anti-authoritarian protest group. There was not a single act of violence or illegality that has taken place, Nestor said. Instead, the raids were purely anticipatory in nature, and clearly designed to frighten people contemplating taking part in any unauthorized protests.
:wtf: Assuming this is true, how the fuck is this even legal whatsoever?
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Hurrah for the GOP.

If only they did this to Democrat campaign offices - then maybe the mainstream media might care.
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The local paper discusses these events
The Star Tribune wrote:Ramsey County authorities conducted raids across Minneapolis and St. Paul Friday and Saturday as a pre-emptive strike against disruptive protests of the Republican National Convention.

Five people were arrested and more than 100 were handcuffed, questioned and released by scores of deputies and police officers, according to police and elected officials familiar with the raids.

In a statement Saturday morning, Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher said the St. Paul raid targeted the RNC Welcoming Committee, a group he described as "a criminal enterprise made up of 35 self-described anarchists...intent on committing criminal acts before and during the Republican National Convention."

"These acts include tactics to blockade and disable delegate buses, breaching venue security and injuring police officers," Fletcher said. Deputies seized a variety of items that they believed were tools of civil disobedience: a gas mask, bolt cutters, axes, slingshots, homemade "caltrops" for disabling buses, even buckets of urine.

But the raids drew immediate condemnation from activists and St. Paul City Councilman Dave Thune, whose district includes the former theater at 627 Smith Avenue South, which was rented by activists as a gathering space.

"This is not the way to start things off," Thune said Saturday morning. "This is sending the wrong message. Regardless of how you feel about these people...they had a right to be there."

On Saturday afternoon, law agents surrounded 951 Iglehart Av. in St. Paul where members of I-Witness Video, a New York-based group that monitors police conduct during protests, were staying. They were detained and handcuffed but eventually freed without charges.

At a news conference Saturday, Cheri Honkala of the Poor People's Economic Human Rights Campaign, one of the protest groups, described the Friday raid and an earlier one Thursday that evicted a demonstrators' camp on Harriet Island as "terrorism" intended to divert attention from issues the protest groups are raising and cast the news as police versus protestors.

Thune was especially critical of Fletcher for taking action within St. Paul city limits.

"I'm really ticked off...the city is perfectly capable of taking care of things," Thune said. "If they had found anything that could have been used to commit a crime they would have arrested somebody."

Said Thune: "Unless they come up with anthrax or weapons of mass destruction, I think they came up short."

Later Saturday, Fletcher described in a news release the items seized during the raids, which included a variety of "edged weapons"; glass bottles, rags and flammable liquids; "Old tires (for burning)," a gas mask and "Empty plastic buckest cut and made into shields."

The RNC Welcoming Committee denied criminal intent and described the police actions as "violence" that is a sign of more extreme police measures to come.

Three people were arrested and detained for probable cause conspiracy to commit a riot following a raid at 3240 17th Ave. S. in Minneapolis.

Ten other people in the house were processed and released after about 90 minutes, said Bruce Nestor of the National Lawyers Guild.

Nestor said the warrant used to search the home was identical to two others for searches at homes at 3500 Harriet Av. S. and 2301 23rd Av. S. in Minneapolis. One man was arrested at the 23rd Avenue S. house, and a fifth arrested at an "undisclosed location," according to the Ramsey sheriff's office.

Nestor said the the warrant used to search the 17th Avenue house also matches the one used to raid the former theater in St. Paul that is the organizing site of the RNC Welcoming Committee.

Nestor said he has not seen documents that support a reason for searching any of the locations, but that the warrant, signed by a judge on Friday, seeks multiple items, including electronics and MP3 players, rags, jars, Molotov cocktails, communication between RNC Welcoming Committee members, urine and feces.

Those arrested could be held through the weekend, Nestor said. A judge will review their case within 48 hours. Nestor said the conspiracy to commit a riot charges are vague.

"This is a charge that police use for preventive detention," he said. "It requires that no actual criminal act be committed and borders on criminalizing political advocacy."

Nestor did not know whether the three were members of the RNC Welcoming Committee.

Meanwhile, the group decried the Friday night raid on their organizing site as unwarranted, as evidenced by the lack of arrests after at least 50 people were detained. The group decried law enforcement's tactics, particularly because children and the elderly were present while the group was watching films and sharing food before the doors were broken down.

"The police may claim that the raid was executed according to protocol - however, the violence inherent in this action may only be a hint of the violence to be expected on Monday and beyond, and is only a hint at the violence perpetrated daily by the police," the group's statement read.

"(By) Looking for items found in any twin cities house like jars, paint, and rags, this attempt to portray us as criminals and destroy our credibility has already backfired as evidenced by the masses who have come to support us." the RNC Welcoming Committee said in a statement late Friday.

An attorney for protesters said Ramsey County sheriff's deputies and St. Paul police officers handcuffed at least 50 people and made them lie on the ground for an extended period. The raid happened Friday night around 9 p.m. at the former Smith Theater on St. Paul's west side.

Thune estimates that about 100 people were in the theater and detained. He said deputies knocked down the door using a police battering ram and then deputies went in with guns drawn, forcing people to the ground.

The group says they are now accused of a fire code violation and the theater was boarded shut on orders of Fletcher. This last action also upset Thune, who said the sheriff had no authority to order city staff to keep people out of a building.

Thune said he would be working with city officials today to re-open the building. Demonstrators said later Saturday that the building was being re-opened.

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Tsyroc wrote:I'm kind of shocked that it happened in Minnesota. It has a bit more of a leftist & Democratic base than most midwestern states.
That may be true, but the Ramsey County police department are a bunch of dicks. I can't find the story right now, but there was an incident where a peaceful, non-disruptive senior graduation party at my college was crashed by the cops and a bunch of folks arrested and charged with bullshit crimes. Meanwhile, people get away with all sorts of petty theft and robbery.
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Hum sounds like this violates many of there freedoms such as protection from unlawful search and seizures as well as freedom to assemble. After all those items they seized "
edged weapons"; glass bottles, rags and flammable liquids; "Old tires (for burning)," a gas mask
well I have the same stuff in my house, I'm sure a lot of us do.
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One of the groups the police hit was I-Witness, a group secondary to protests which pretty much just passively films protests in order to catch the police in the act in case they do something wrong. This presages further aggressiveness on the part of the police during the actual protests; they confiscated equipment from I-Witness to disrupt their operations so that they would be able to carry on belligerently next week without being observed.

They also had a couple of interesting videos, like this one. Apparently the officer in the video made a sworn statement that the protester in question ignored directives to stop his bike and then intentionally ran the officer down with intent to injure him... but watch the video. Not only is that some disturbingly blatant perjury and abuse of power, but shit! is that a sweet hit. He should have gone into football instead of law enforcement.
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Fuck, if they confiscated my new gas mask along with my cooking knives, combat sword, fire axe and my urine jars, I'd be far more likely to organize a riot.

Bonus points to anyone who can figure out which of the above I don't actually keep.
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loomer wrote:Fuck, if they confiscated my new gas mask along with my cooking knives, combat sword, fire axe and my urine jars, I'd be far more likely to organize a riot.

Bonus points to anyone who can figure out which of the above I don't actually keep.
Hum hopefully not the urine jars, unless you and your friend are into that. :P
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loomer wrote:Fuck, if they confiscated my new gas mask along with my cooking knives, combat sword, fire axe and my urine jars, I'd be far more likely to organize a riot.

Bonus points to anyone who can figure out which of the above I don't actually keep.
The only thing that could substantiate this raid is if they came upon intel from a reliable source that detailed how they planned to use those items in an illegal manner.

Also, in these types of raids it is common to identify and arrest the leadership. Which would explain the 2 or 3 arrests.

That being said this is all sorts of fucked up as it stands right now.
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One of the individuals renting the house, an 18-year-old woman, was extremely shaken as she and others described how the officers were deliberately making intimidating statements such as "Do you have Terminator ready?" as they lay on the floor in handcuffs.
The group decried law enforcement's tactics, particularly because children and the elderly were present while the group was watching films and sharing food before the doors were broken down.
Police wire tap:
- Are you ready for the 'party'?
- Yeah, it's going to be 'fun'. Do you mean to 'stop by the store' on my way over?
- We could use more 'corn chips'. Do you have 'Terminator'?
- Yes. I'm bringing 'Terminator'. I'm sure you'll 'like it'.
- I'm sure I 'will'.
the warrant, signed by a judge on Friday, seeks multiple items, including electronics and MP3 players, rags, jars, Molotov cocktails, communication between RNC Welcoming Committee members, urine and feces.
- Your honour, I present Exhibit A - a stockpile of biogenic, irritant noxious chemicals. Experts agree that the material is a toxic biohazard.
- That's a jar of shit.
- We believe it was intended to be used as a weapon.
- Like chimpanzee warfare? Let me guess - this biochemical stockpile was concealed in an improvised hazmat storage unit that was actually a latrine?
- Disguised as a latrine, your honour.
roughly 25 officers had barged into their homes with masks and black swat gear, holding large semi-automatic rifles
Targeting people with automatic-weapons-carrying SWAT teams and
Nitpick time:
- Since when do SWAT teams carry full-sized rifles?
- Automatics or semi-automatics? Perhaps they were large, high-powered assault submachine guns?
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Winston Blake wrote: Nitpick time:
- Since when do SWAT teams carry full-sized rifles?
- Automatics or semi-automatics? Perhaps they were large, high-powered assault submachine guns?
The article didn't say they were full sized rifles, so they might be M4 carbines like the LAPD SWAT carries.

Plus, these are hippies, anything more than a pistol is an assault rifle to them.
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Pulp Hero wrote:The article didn't say they were full sized rifles, so they might be M4 carbines like the LAPD SWAT carries.
The part I quoted did say 'large semi-automatic rifles', but as you say, M4s aren't large. They don't even have a 'shoulder thing that goes up'.

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Retro-edit: "Do you need me to 'stop by the store' on my way over?"
(Funny how 'need me' turned into 'mean').

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So that this post isn't a complete waste of bandwidth, I'll post an article with a few more details:
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Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota police raided weapons from the anarchist group RNC Welcoming Committee which plans to disrupt the Republican National Convention in the Twin Cities.

A building was raided last night in St.Paul as well as several homes in Minneapolis by police as they confiscated weapons from the anarchist group RNC Welcoming Committee. The Ramsey County police force which was assisted by Hennepin County and Minneapolis law enforcement as well as the FBI produced a search warrant against the group believed to engage in violent protests against the RNC convention.

WorldNetDaily reports a statement read this morning from Ramsey County Sherriff Bob Fletcher that described the RNC Welcoming Committee: ''a criminal enterprise made up of 35 self-described anarchists who are intent on committing criminal acts before and during the Republican National Convention.''

Many items were seized by the police including PVC pipe, chicken wire and duct tape. The RNC Welcoming Committee wanted to lock themselves together in human barricades called ''sleeping dragons.'' Also included in the raids were knives, flammable liquids, five-gallon buckets of urine, homemade caltrops (which are devices used to puncture bus tires), bolt cutters, sledgehammers, protective padding and plastic buckets that were cut into shields.

The group wants to establish blockades around St. Paul's Excel Center. This is the location of the convention. They also want to use the caltrops to inhibit the delegates' buses and block the bridges that connect Minneapolis to St. Paul.

The RNC Welcoming Committee urges members to do what they feel if they agree with their overall strategy. World Net Daily reports straight from the group: ''Those plugging into this strategy will be free to shape their actions as they see fit, using the tactics they consider appropriate.''

The group is ready for bear despite the police raids last night. They predict violence at the convention site and say that the police raid itself was violent. The police are engaged in efforts to derail their civil rights.

The RNC Welcoming Committee does have its defenders from one local politician. Dave Thune is a St. Paul City Councilman. World Net Daily researched two recent quotes from Mr. Thune: This one is from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune newspaper: ''This is not the way to start things off. This is sending the wrong message. Regardless of how you feel about these people...they have a right to be here.''

Thune also spoke to the St. Paul Pioneer Press newspaper: ''To me, this smacks of preemptive strike against free speech.''

St. Paul Mayor Christopher Coleman defended the police action by saying that it's okay for the protesters to pick up a peace sign but they can't throw bricks or engage in other violent acts that are designed to injure or hurt the convention delegates or anyone else connected to the festivities.

The five people that were arrested last night are in jail charged with suspicion of trying to start a riot, conspiracy to commit civil disorder as well as to damage property. The St. Paul building that the RNC Welcoming Committee was leasing was found by police to be in violation of a fire code and has been turned over to the property owner.

The RNC Welcoming Committee appears to be an organization that strongly supports illegal immigration and doesn't want any type of immigration restricted in any manner. They seem to promote a radical form of environmental extremism. Poor people on a global scale are being exploited and oppressed. I quote from their website: ''For those of you who abhor the rapid growth of racist militarized borders across stolen lands, the raids and deportations, destruction and commodification of our shared and living earth, police brutality and prison industry, fear propaganda and subjugation, exploitation and robbery of peoples worldwide, and all forms of injustice and oppression-we ask you to be prepared for 2008.''

The RNC Welcoming Committee is also protesting with other groups of a similar philosophy who are dedicated to the general idea of overthrowing the present worldwide power structure. They don't want to interfere with other groups' long term projects and desire to continue in the future with these projects.

In conclusion, their aim is to crash the Republican National Convention and make them insignificant in the larger realm of things.
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loomer wrote:Fuck, if they confiscated my new gas mask along with my cooking knives, combat sword, fire axe and my urine jars, I'd be far more likely to organize a riot.

Bonus points to anyone who can figure out which of the above I don't actually keep.
I'm guessing it's the cooking knives.
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Many items were seized by the police including PVC pipe, chicken wire and duct tape. The RNC Welcoming Committee wanted to lock themselves together in human barricades called ''sleeping dragons.'' Also included in the raids were knives, flammable liquids, five-gallon buckets of urine, homemade caltrops (which are devices used to puncture bus tires), bolt cutters, sledgehammers, protective padding and plastic buckets that were cut into shields.
Holy shit! I had a lot of PVC pipe and even galvanized steel tubing when I went to see Episode 3. I made my own lightsaber. And what self respecting college student does not have duct tape? As for the chicken wire, there are any number of things you can use it for, like big ceramic light houses.

WHo doesnt have knives, a boltcutter, or sledghammer. Come on, anyone who has been doing some home improvement has that stuff

As for the caltrops, protective padding and shields I have two words. LARP, SCA

I cant explain the buckets of urine, if those are indeed buckets of urine that the kids had, more likely they are buckets of urine planted by these unethical cops
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: I cant explain the buckets of urine, if those are indeed buckets of urine that the kids had, more likely they are buckets of urine planted by these unethical cops
Urine is rather hard to mistake for anything else, and considering there were protestors at the DNC throwing urine at the police, I don't find this outside the realm of possibility. While I find the behavior of the cops questionable at best, and unethical at worst, trying to claim it was planted by the cops means you should probably take off the tinfoil hat.
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About the guns: one of the people in the video mentioned MP5 SMGs. I don't know how reliable he was, but it's plausible: the MP5 is a fairly common gun, used by a lot of police departments.

Winston Blake: that article you quoted seems to have gotten most of its information from WorldNetDaily. I would sooner trust Darth Vader.

The RNC Welcoming Committee is fairly extreme. See for yourself on their web site. The most dodgy thing they're planning is to blockade some intersections and snarl up traffic around the RNC. They are non-specific as to how, but their web site does say that they'll use several strategies with varying risks of getting arrested. Sort of a "something for everyone" approach, where they can put the yippies at one intersection and the gentle souls at another.

I think what happened here is that the police are preemptively arresting people in the RNC Welcoming Committee and taking advantage of their shiny search-and-seizure warrants to intimidate less radical protesters.
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Winston Blake wrote: Police wire tap:
- Are you ready for the 'party'?
- Yeah, it's going to be 'fun'. Do you mean to 'stop by the store' on my way over?
- We could use more 'corn chips'. Do you have 'Terminator'?
- Yes. I'm bringing 'Terminator'. I'm sure you'll 'like it'.
- I'm sure I 'will'.
That's the actual transcript? LOL it sounds like they were having a get together later.
- Your honour, I present Exhibit A - a stockpile of biogenic, irritant noxious chemicals. Experts agree that the material is a toxic biohazard.
- That's a jar of shit.
- We believe it was intended to be used as a weapon.
- Like chimpanzee warfare? Let me guess - this biochemical stockpile was concealed in an improvised hazmat storage unit that was actually a latrine?
- Disguised as a latrine, your honour.
Again, if the police had reliable intelligence that they planned to use these items to disrupt the convention then it would be a good seizure.
Nitpick time:
- Since when do SWAT teams carry full-sized rifles?
- Automatics or semi-automatics? Perhaps they were large, high-powered assault submachine guns?
Since the LA bank robbery where two men with AK47s and body armor were able to hold off the police until SWAT arrived with rifles.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Many items were seized by the police including PVC pipe, chicken wire and duct tape. The RNC Welcoming Committee wanted to lock themselves together in human barricades called ''sleeping dragons.'' Also included in the raids were knives, flammable liquids, five-gallon buckets of urine, homemade caltrops (which are devices used to puncture bus tires), bolt cutters, sledgehammers, protective padding and plastic buckets that were cut into shields.
Holy shit! I had a lot of PVC pipe and even galvanized steel tubing when I went to see Episode 3. I made my own lightsaber. And what self respecting college student does not have duct tape? As for the chicken wire, there are any number of things you can use it for, like big ceramic light houses.

WHo doesnt have knives, a boltcutter, or sledghammer. Come on, anyone who has been doing some home improvement has that stuff

As for the caltrops, protective padding and shields I have two words. LARP, SCA

I cant explain the buckets of urine, if those are indeed buckets of urine that the kids had, more likely they are buckets of urine planted by these unethical cops
Jesus Christ. You do grasp the concept that if they had planned to use these items in an illegal manner, and the police had reliable intelligence of this illegal activity then it would be a good bust?
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Feministing has another video. This one shows Amy Goodman from Democracy Now trying to interview journalists who are being manhandled by the police. What's really great is the neighbors inviting the press to enter their yard, so they can get around the attempts by the police to stop them.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: I cant explain the buckets of urine, if those are indeed buckets of urine that the kids had, more likely they are buckets of urine planted by these unethical cops
Urine is rather hard to mistake for anything else, and considering there were protestors at the DNC throwing urine at the police, I don't find this outside the realm of possibility. While I find the behavior of the cops questionable at best, and unethical at worst, trying to claim it was planted by the cops means you should probably take off the tinfoil hat.
Considering their other behavior I dont think it is much of a stretch.

What volumes of urine were tossed at police at the DNC protests? Was it 5 gallon buckets? Because that seems a bit non-feasible to me. I can see gator-aid bottles or even gallon buckets. But to have everyone in a house pee into a bucket over the course of a week, then throw said bucket at someone invariable spilling old urine all over themselves... yeah that just does not seem like something anyone would actually do.

With the behavior of these cops, either a plant, a lie, or a big fish story seems more feasible.

But if people were throwing 5 gallon buckets of piss at cops at the DNC I stand corrected
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: Considering their other behavior I dont think it is much of a stretch.
You are aware of the effort required to fill several buckets with urine yes?
What volumes of urine were tossed at police at the DNC protests? Was it 5 gallon buckets? Because that seems a bit non-feasible to me. I can see gator-aid bottles or even gallon buckets. But to have everyone in a house pee into a bucket over the course of a week, then throw said bucket at someone invariable spilling old urine all over themselves... yeah that just does not seem like something anyone would actually do.
Water balloons. One of my friends knows an officer that got hit with them and his uniform was drenched.
With the behavior of these cops, either a plant, a lie, or a big fish story seems more feasible.
I'm not sure why you think it's more plausible that the officers are the ones who spent all that time filling buckets with urine than the protesters. Protesters can do really stupid shit.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: Considering their other behavior I dont think it is much of a stretch.
The only behavior here that is outstanding is the lack of a reason. If they have a valid reason from a valid source then this entire raid is golden. So, what are you referring to? Are you swept up in the emotional drama of SWAT being used when women and children are present? What is it exactly?
What volumes of urine were tossed at police at the DNC protests? Was it 5 gallon buckets? Because that seems a bit non-feasible to me. I can see gator-aid bottles or even gallon buckets. But to have everyone in a house pee into a bucket over the course of a week, then throw said bucket at someone invariable spilling old urine all over themselves... yeah that just does not seem like something anyone would actually do.
What do you think they used to fill those bottles? They kept a large bucket so people could fill individual gator-aid bottles.
With the behavior of these cops, either a plant, a lie, or a big fish story seems more feasible.
Again, did I miss then striking a baby seal or something?
But if people were throwing 5 gallon buckets of piss at cops at the DNC I stand corrected
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:I cant explain the buckets of urine, if those are indeed buckets of urine that the kids had, more likely they are buckets of urine planted by these unethical cops
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Wait, you really think cops are gonna go and just plant buckets of urine? Seriously? Accusing them of a gun I can understand. A knife, sure. But buckets of urine? You realize you are arguing that these guys are driving around with a big bucket full of piss in the trunk, sloshing around all over the place, just in case there are some protesters they want to set up for the fall. And its not even like you have one really weird guy who does it and happened to be on place for it, multiple buckets implies that several members of the MN police force tote around gallons of their own piss so they can cover their asses. This line of reasoning makes sense to you?
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