Multiculturalism in Canada

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 11:06am

Hey guys. I'm trying to debate this particular person in regards to the success of multiculturalism within Canada (not just relating to bilingualism, but with other languages and different races). Now the guy I'm debating doesn't seem to like Trudeau and said that I should "respect history" because Canada was better before Trudeau. I'm not exacty sure what that means. I've reason to believe he's very conservative and his stances in his other posts seem to indicate his distain for immigrants and is possibly a closet racist. I need to repair the debate as I basically accused him of that (still trying to be a better debator so I realize that was probably not a good way to go). So what are your thoughts, from both Canadians, Americans, and other nations, on Multiculturalism in Canada around the world. PS. He also supports John Howard and believes Canada should elect a PM "that is like John Howard."

I think I'm over my head in this debate and with so many people actually watching I think I'm going to lose and have everyone of those people think that having a racist PM, restricting immigration would be a good thing and that multiculturalism is a sham.

Also tips on improving my debating skills would be good. I've read over the FAQ, but I still have some difficulties recognizing the various fallicies. Sometimes I can tell something is not right in their argument but I just can't pinpoint it. Anyways my political leanings is left.

BTW - I apologize in advance if this has been discussed before but I did a search for multiculturalism, canada and multiculturalism and I didn't come up with any hits or discussion regarding to this.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 11:08am

I should add that he supports that in Canada people should only speak English, and that a majority of Canadians are God fearing as the founding of Canada was by Christians.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-09-02 11:18am

People who are part of the majority often feel as if minorities are being unreasonable for wanting to exist. In their minds, the country should be one big homogeneous ultra-conformist community.

In his mind, Canada was better before multiculturalism because it was closer to this homogeneous ultra-conformist utopia that he envisions in his mind. But for a lot of other people, the idea of living in a conformist state is disturbing at best, or terrifying at worst.

Conformist states always seem like a good idea to those who happen to conform. But what about those who don't? They get marginalized, ostracized, even legally punished or subjected to violence and discrimination. That is how Canada was a long time ago, and it is a past that we do not wish to return to.

Again, what he wants is a CONFORMIST STATE. What the people of Canada have chosen is a state which tolerates a significant degree of non-conformity for many reasons, chief among them being the ideal that individuals should have the freedom to say "No, I will not conform to your social norms. I do not want to live the same way you do, have the same beliefs you do, have sex the same way you do, raise my kids the same way you do".

Under multiculturalism, one must show a real, objective reason why something should be outlawed. It's not enough to simply say it is different from the way we do things. And that is why it is superior. No, it does not magically end all conflict. But a failure to accomplish the impossible does not mean that a policy is a bad idea.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 11:19am

Here`s one argument from someone.

Multiculturisim is NOT what makes Canada great. It's FREEDOM!

Here`s my response
Freedom is part of it yes. However my original comment was in response to an individual who supported John Howard who was against Multiculturalism. People who are against Multiculturalism are often neo-conservatards who aren`t much for freedom anyway (look at the USA with GWB). However Multiculturalism is a separate component that makes Canada great. THEJUICER I hope you`re not suggesting that it has no impact on Canada at all?

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 11:25am

Thanks Wong. That`s a way of looking at the argument that I definitely couldn`t formalized into words. You don`t mind if I make use of it considering it is your ideaÉ

I do agree with it though. I`ve often wondered if perhaps my own internal conflicts have to do with my own struggle against conformism - to be Canadian and Chinese at the same time, despite being harrased both as a child and as an adult.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-09-02 11:31am

Multiculturalism IS freedom. It is the freedom to be different, and when advocates of a Conformist State say that they have lost their "freedom" to discriminate against minorities, they're simply torturing the word "freedom" so that it extends to the "freedom" to restrict other peoples' behaviour.

Justforfun000 · Post by **Justforfun000** » 2008-09-02 12:55pm

Speaking from a total white boys perspective...

One good thing is that decent people grow to love multiculturalism. Well I actually didn't even have to grow to it, I had no issue in the first place but I was born in Toronto and until I was 6 lived in the city until we moved to Hicksville, Nova Scotia.

Talk about a contrast of views.

I returned to Toronto as soon as able and even now when I visit down east, one of the first things I notice about the place is how bloody WHITE it is and how, well..., incredibly BORING. I love the mix here in Toronto. I love seeing every race and faith imaginable and it makes me feel comfortable that everyone can fit in because so many people are just a little bit different.

Of course being homosexual has given me a very real taste of what it's like to be a 'minority' as it's one of the few things that a white person can get saddled with that tosses them in that camp. Of course what is both annoying and argumentatively tempting at times is the ability to "blend in" just to make things easy. It's always a bit of an identity reality check on your self worth too..Other minorities don't have that option so it's a very different ballgame I imagine.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 01:02pm

Justforfun000 wrote:Speaking from a total white boys perspective...

One good thing is that decent people grow to love multiculturalism. Well I actually didn't even have to grow to it, I had no issue in the first place but I was born in Toronto and until I was 6 lived in the city until we moved to Hicksville, Nova Scotia.

Talk about a contrast of views.

I returned to Toronto as soon as able and even now when I visit down east, one of the first things I notice about the place is how bloody WHITE it is and how, well..., incredibly BORING. I love the mix here in Toronto. I love seeing every race and faith imaginable and it makes me feel comfortable that everyone can fit in because so many people are just a little bit different.

Of course being homosexual has given me a very real taste of what it's like to be a 'minority' as it's one of the few things that a white person can get saddled with that tosses them in that camp. Of course what is both annoying and argumentatively tempting at times is the ability to "blend in" just to make things easy. It's always a bit of an identity reality check on your self worth too..Other minorities don't have that option so it's a very different ballgame I imagine.

What I wouldn`t give to live in Toronto. I`m in bible belt of Canada; Calgary. It`s a bit racist here and my parents have been screamed at by people who would tell them to speak English.

My close friend is also gay and I think he suffers heavily from that stigmatism. I`ve known him since junior high but it was only a year ago that I learned that he was gay. He pretty much fooled me. But it certainly says a lot about people who make others feel inferior just because they are different.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 01:12pm

I`m not quite sure how to respond. To the following.

What I wrote
"Average Steve how about you show a little respect for the people who make a new home here rather than shooting off your mouth like some closet racist?"

The Response
Oh grow up! SHow me one racist comment that I have made. Just one! You can't because I haven't. For that matter show me where I have shown a lack of respect for immigrants. I simply get tired of hearing that multiculturalism is what made canada great. That implies that the traditional canadian culture which had been developed predominately by the UK and France was some sort of slum until non-european immigration came along and gave us lowlife canadians some class. To suggest such a thing is to suggest that the country my grandfather fought for during WW2 and Korea was nothing because at the time we didn't have multiculturalism. When I don't bend to the multiculturalist line and say ....." oh wow...what a hole canada was before mass immigration and multiculturalism. Thank god immigrants were gracious enough to come here and save us from our trailer-park self"!....... Every other country in the world can be proud of it's heritage, but Canadians are expected to ignore that and pretend that our history and culture was nothing until trudeau implemented multiculturalism so immigrants could turn our backward little country around. Anyone who says otherwsie and refuses to stomp on their history, heritage and culture is accused of being a racist by race card playing stakeholders like yourself. Sorry, but people are becoming less intimidated by the "R" word there sport. It can no longer be used as a tool of manipulation or suppression of un-correct dissent.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 01:13pm

Left out a bit

What I wrote
"If you're so keen on history prior to trudeau, perhaps maybe you should run for prime minister and enforce a second round-up of Japanese and inter them into various camps and maybe to restrict voting rights of non-whites?"

The Response
Here we go again with the race card. I don't bend to PC multi-trudeauism so immediately you accuse me of being a white supremist who wants to dump on non-whites. People like you use the race card as a crutch to always get what you want. Sorry but the party is over because more and more canadians are getting tired of being pushed around by that card. People like you will actually have to provide substantial arguments instead of whipping out the race card when you want to stifle debate.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-09-02 01:20pm

Asking how multiculturalism can possibly be an improvement upon monoculturalism is like asking how two people can possibly be better than one. It's an absurd argument on its face. No one is saying that the one culture sucks, which is how he seems to read the idea of multiculturalism. But if that one culture exists to the exclusion of others, then that situation sucks.

As for the race card, it's absurd to try and separate multiculturalism from race issues, because people from different ethnic backgrounds generally immigrate to the country carrying their own cultural background as well. He's simply trying to surgically remove race from the debate because he knows that particular part of the issue makes him look bad. The fact is that the NET RESULT of his monoculturalist policy would be to clamp down on immigration of non-white people. That is an unavoidable consequence of his preferred policy, whether he secretly wants it or not. As an unavoidable consequence, it must be addressed; it cannot be ignored.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 01:31pm

Here`s my response to this douchebag. Thanks for the idea Darth. I incoporated it into my response. Hope you don`t mind. I have to say it`s refreshing to get new ideas and to debate. Should have joined the High School Debating team. That`s what I don`t like about some conservatives. They seem set in their ideas and unable to be flexible or change their stance.

I never once discredit the contribution that the British and French had on Canadian culture. You however seem completely bent on not acknowledging the contributions that other cultures have made to this country. An improvment, not a detriment. However you seem pretty simple minded and somehow interpreted that I am suggesting that Canadian culture or UK or French culture sucks. I`m not saying that, not even implying it. Your idea Average Steve, which oddly suits your intellectual capabilities, is that monoculturalism is some how better than multiculturalism. That`s akin to suggesting that two people are better than one. If Canadian culture exists to exclude other cultures than this country is heading down a terrible destructive path. That idea in your head that Canadian culture is superior because of its British and French influence while any mention of multiculturalism, improvements or diversity is some how an attack on Canadian culture is what makes YOU racist.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 01:41pm

Here`s more of his opinion on other issues. I`suppose I will have to wait an hour or so for his next response to the multiculturalism response. I never expected Canadian conservatives to be as bad as those in the States but this guy has really made me think about some of the people around me.

1. Afghanistan: The Liberals want out as do the NDP. "

Liberals sent the troops there but now that the tories are in they want to use that as a tool of manipulation. If harper refuses to pull out of the mission that the liberals started then they can paint him as a warmonger. If he does then he was the one who failed in afghanistan and they will insist that they could have made it a success. I know this sounds cliche but the libs are using the mission as a political tool and realy don't care what the outcome is for afghanistan or the troops so long as it serves the libs.

"2. Taxes"

Now now......uncle paul and uncle jean always knew best what to do with your hard earned money. They wouldn't do anything so foolish as allowing a simple taxpayer to make such an important decision. Far better to let them decide/dictate for/to us. Uncle stephan will releive us of the burden of dedciding how to spend our money

"3. Minimum Mandatory Sentencing: The Liberals opposed this"

Criminals vote. The families of criminals vote. You can't seriously expect the libs to risk losing their voting base over something as trivial and irrelevant as principle.

4. Raising the Age of Consent: Liberals opposed this initially"

Pedophiles vote you know. If the liberals will not protect the right of perverted 30-40 year olds to deflower 14 year old children then those pervs will simply vote NDP who will. It's for the good of the party, and if a few little girls get sacrificed in the best interest of the party then it's a small price to pay if the liberal dynasty must survive.

"5. Copyright Laws: "

I agree entirely in principle but to be honest I have not followed that one closely. No comment.

"6. Arctic Sovereignty: "

Sovereignty? THat requires.......good lord.....military spending! Oh how un-canadian! Much better that our taxes go to special interest pandering and patronage positions.

"7. Kelowna: The Tories cancelled this vote buying farce"

Haven't followed that one so I can't comment.

"8. Kyoto: The Tories have abandoned this outright farce"

Utterly useless as a policy but damn it sure whips lib NDP voters into a frenzy when the cons refuse to adopt this destructive legislation.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 08:30pm

It seems like this guy will argue forever against multiculturalism and I'm still formulating my attack. Darth if you don't mind the imposition, or anyone else for that matter, I wouldn't mind hearing more suggestions. I personally don't think this guy has any valid points but it's hard to formulate coherently into a convincing attack.

what I wrote:
"As for your race card comment, Average Steve, it is completely off base"

No actually it hit the nail right on the head. Many countries have immigration yet we are the only one expected to alow our culture to be diminished in the name of political correctness. Yet despite the fact that I mentioned nothing about race, you immediately played the race card. You don't know me and have no idea about my views on racism yet you call me one without taking the time to get the facts. I think it is safe to say that you use the race card as a crutch.

"It is absurd to separate race and multiculturalism as immigrants come from various cultural backgrounds. Your underhanded method of removing race from the debate is entirely self-serving"

Utter nonsense. You evidently have no clue as to the distinction between diversity and multiculturalism. They are not the same thing. Someone can be vehemently opposed to multiculturalism yet be very open to people of different ethnicities.

"You know your arguments not only makes you seem incompetitent but racist"
Only in your very simple little world there sport.

"Any policy that limits multiculturalism would result in a reduction of immigration of non-whites as they certainly do not bring with them your obvious preferred culture"

Oh give me a break. People won't come to Canada unless we agree to ban the words "merry christmas" or remove the pledge to the queen? If we require that they actually have a working knowledge of one of the two official languages instead of expecting canadian taxpayers to pay for services in all languages and for ESL classes people won't come? Give me a break. Even if we abandoned the trudeau-esc "canada was nothing before multicultural immigration gave it some class" nonsense there would be plenty of people lining up to come here. We don't have to lie about our history and heritage or sweep them under the rug to be tolerant to newcomers. We can say "welcome to Canada" while, expecting them to adapt to us instead of the other way around. Nobody is telling them how to live their private lives. We simply don't feel that we should have to bend the country to accomodate them.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 08:34pm

This guy...I really want to hurt him and bring his ivory tower down but I'm not sure how to phrase it so it hurts.

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » 2008-09-02 08:42pm

I'm not sure you really understand the arguments you are quoting and paraphrasing.

Points you should address: He appears to be conflating political correctness, monolingualism and multiculturalism. Nobody is banning the use of "Merry Christmas," they are refraining from using it themselves. Ask him to more strictly define what he means by multiculturalism, because frankly, it's easy to say multiculturalism and then strawman that into PC silliness. Which is not the point. Also, you should make it pretty clear that one of those "old canadian values" he trumpets so much is liberty A libre society means that you have to have a reason to restrict something, not a reason to legalize it.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2008-09-02 08:43pm

bozazz wrote:I should add that he supports that in Canada people should only speak English, and that a majority of Canadians are God fearing as the founding of Canada was by Christians.

This is especially hilarious because I'm working on becoming fluent in French before moving to Canada.

I would argue that his conservative stance doesn't exist here--ask him if he is a conservative, and then ask him why particular groups can't have particular privileges. Why cannot Quebecois have a different set of laws than English-derived Canadians, and yet still exist in the same country for instance? Austro-Hungary accomplished this for more than 300 years together, why must Canada be an integrationalist state, like atheistic France, to be conservative? Indeed, such a concept of a unitary state is both totalitarian and anti-conservative.

Elaro · Post by **Elaro** » 2008-09-02 08:47pm

You can just tell him point-blank: "Why not multiculturalism?" Heck, they're the ones who had to slog their way up here, abandon all ancestral ties, and adapt to a new environment, culture, et al., so I think making the transition a little easier would be the least we could do.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-09-02 08:49pm

No actually it hit the nail right on the head. Many countries have immigration yet we are the only one expected to alow our culture to be diminished in the name of political correctness. Yet despite the fact that I mentioned nothing about race, you immediately played the race card. You don't know me and have no idea about my views on racism yet you call me one without taking the time to get the facts. I think it is safe to say that you use the race card as a crutch.

Actually, the addition and acceptance of other cultures enlarges Canadian culture, rather than diminishing it. He asks why you think he is a racist, but the fact that he thinks it "diminishes" Canadian culture to add outside people and ideas to it is a pretty good piece of evidence for that conclusion.

Oh give me a break. People won't come to Canada unless we agree to ban the words "merry christmas" or remove the pledge to the queen?

Multiculturalism does not require banning the words "Merry Christmas" or removing the pledge to the Queen. I'm an atheist and I celebrate Christmas like everyone else. The fun secular Christmas with the shopping malls and Santa Claus, not the lame Christian version where you go to church and get lectured at by the priest for not coming enough during the year.

Of course, we know what he really means. He thinks that if Christian traditions are not allowed in government, then they are being banned from society and "culture". The fact is that government is not "culture"; it should not dictate "culture", and it can only get out of the way of culture, by outlawing deliberate attempts to enforce a preferred "culture" upon others.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 08:52pm

I've always thought totalitarin and conservatism went hand in hand with the US as an example. Terralthra I'm actually not quoting and paraphrasing. I just copy his response. The ones in quotes are originally mine and the stuff below is his response.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 09:09pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
bozazz wrote:I should add that he supports that in Canada people should only speak English, and that a majority of Canadians are God fearing as the founding of Canada was by Christians.
This is especially hilarious because I'm working on becoming fluent in French before moving to Canada.

I would argue that his conservative stance doesn't exist here--ask him if he is a conservative, and then ask him why particular groups can't have particular privileges. Why cannot Quebecois have a different set of laws than English-derived Canadians, and yet still exist in the same country for instance? Austro-Hungary accomplished this for more than 300 years together, why must Canada be an integrationalist state, like atheistic France, to be conservative? Indeed, such a concept of a unitary state is both totalitarian and anti-conservative.

Also it depends on where you're moving Zeon. If you make western Canada your new home French isn't that important out here. I rarely hear people speak it.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 09:53pm

Well here's my response. I tried to incorporate as much suggestions as I could thank you. I really took my sweet time writing it. Almost an hour. I might not understand some of the points he made right away but I believe that my careful analysis of his opinion allowed me to defend my position while attack his. I know I made a few Ad hominem fallacy, but as Wong suggested he sounds very racist in his view so I felt the need to call him that. Why won't he just admit that he is and that his views are based on racial prejudice. Why won't he fold so that I can win? As for the banning Merry Christmas and how he is offended that christian traditions is removed from government I'm not quite sure how to respond to that. I was thinking it might relate to separation of government and religion, but not sure how to covey it properly. I wouldn't want something I wrote biting me in the ass.

Again you use the word diminished to describe how immigration affect Canada’s culture and you wonder why I call you racist? I’m presenting you with actual evidence of your inherit racism and yet it seems to not dawn on your simian mind that you’re racist. Self-delusion no matter what they say is not “bliss.” You might live in a world where you think excluding those who have a different culture might not make you a racist, but welcome to reality.

Now Average Steve, I don’t need to know you to know the type of person you are or your views on racism. You’re that type of person that supports a homogenized white Canadian culture that excludes those from other countries. And I don’t even need to read between the lines to draw that conclusion. You made that quite explicit when you suggest that Canada is the only country that “allow our culture to be diminished in the name of political correctness.”

What made me laugh is how you somehow tied multiculturalism to political correctness which has nothing to do with the issue at hand. It must be quite difficult for you to follow logical arguments. Ever heard of non-sequitur? It’s ok…I wait for you to wiki it.

It’s seems to me that you’re the one using race as the crutch since you seem fond of raving about how immigration is the bane and destruction of Canadian culture. And again you weren’t able, maybe due to laziness or incompetence to

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"It is absurd to separate race and multiculturalism as immigrants come from various cultural backgrounds. Your underhanded method of removing race from the debate is entirely self-serving"

Utter nonsense. You evidently have no clue as to the distinction between diversity and multiculturalism. They are not the same thing. Someone can be vehemently opposed to multiculturalism yet be very open to people of different ethnicities.
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Now this part certainly shows your elementary understanding of English and of fundamental concepts of language because the only one appearing clueless is you. Multiculturalism is a form of diversity. You can’t be vehemently opposed to multiculturalism yet be open to people of different ethnicities. They’re not mutually exclusive. Do you even understand the definition of multiculturalism? Maybe that’s the problem here is that you and I have a different concept of multiculturalism. You have the one that fairies in the deep recess of your mind gave you, and I have the one that hundreds of individuals though peer review have agreed to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism
The word diversity shows up a mere 14 words into the article.
If you’re opposed to multiculturalism you’re not open to people of different ethnicities nor do you support diversity. You’re forcing upon them an already established way of life or culture. That’s not diversity. That’s monoculturalism, the exact opposite of diversity.
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"You know your arguments not only makes you seem incompetent but racist"
Only in your very simple little world there sport.
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If my world is simple, yours must be imaginary, sport, because frankly it’s hard to understand how your thoughts and ideas can be so vapid.

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with banning the “words merry Christmas” or “removing the pledge to the queen” as you suggest. Stop using strawman as a defence. It’s utterly distasteful.

I believe that I’d made my point very clear, and all you’ve done is flounder around flinging random comments in order to appear as if you’re actually making a point. If you actually have a point to make that I suggest you make it. I’ve provided mountains of evidence to your racism which you refuse to acknowledge. I’ve exposed to this form your conformist beliefs and how multiculturalism isn’t a detriment to our country. All you’ve done is produce lies and not one credible reason to support your idea of conformity and monoculturalism other than “we [shouldn’t] have to bend the country to accommodate them.” That’s not even evidence against multiculturalism as Canada does not bend over backwards and provided them with unlimited resources to adapt to life in Canada. These people made the trip from their country to a new home. They’re learning a new language and adapting to a new culture bringing a piece of their world here to Canada. And what have you done except whine on the internet about how unfair that our culture is being attacked by these savages who diminish our already great culture. If you have nothing to add than the tripe you’ve already given I’d suggest you’d just shut-up and stop posting nonsense. Multiculturalism is alive. It has flaws but it’s a better system than what you envision.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2008-09-02 10:19pm

bozazz wrote:Here`s one argument from someone.

Multiculturisim is NOT what makes Canada great. It's FREEDOM!

Sounds like a black / white fallacy to me. Having visited Canada some years back (Toronto, Montreal, Quebec city) it was a great place. To put it all down to one thing instead of multiple factors among which includes freedom and multiculturism seems to be missing the forest from the trees.

bozazz wrote: Here`s my response
Freedom is part of it yes. However my original comment was in response to an individual who supported John Howard who was against Multiculturalism. People who are against Multiculturalism are often neo-conservatards who aren`t much for freedom anyway (look at the USA with GWB). However Multiculturalism is a separate component that makes Canada great. THEJUICER I hope you`re not suggesting that it has no impact on Canada at all?

This is the John Howard from Australia right.

1) John Howard changed in views and "apologised" to Australians of Asian descent in the 1996 election in which he toppled Paul Keating in a bid to get their vote

2) with Australia doing lots of trade with Asia, for example China and India, and lets not forget Japan and South Korea who also buy a lot of our minerals, Howard wouldn't dare make bullshit closet racist statements.

But thats ok, he just picked on Aborigines, Muslims, and his department charged an Indian doctor with trumped up terrorist charges which were consequently dismissed because they were bullshit. Good riddance Howard is gone.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 10:58pm

what's black and white fallacy mr friendly guy? I don't think it was in the FAQ and I've never come across it on the board. John Howard sounds like a great guy. It's no wonder closet racists like the one I've been battling love him so much. It's not the fact that he's racist that bothers me. It's that he won't admit that he's racist. If he was like the posters on Stormfront that I'd be ok and I wouldn't even go into such lengths as to debate him. At least with those people I know who I'm dealing with.

On a side note - is the series Lei Hen Jian good? Do you know if the movie Ying Xiong Wu Lei is good as well? I got curious since I've heard of the actor but not the movie or the TV series. I just finished kung fu hustle, blood & bones and Daai Cheung Gam in that order so I've got the asian movies jitters. I couldn't find any good reviews on Lei Hen Jian and the movie one seem to be rated a bit low.

bozazz · Post by **bozazz** » 2008-09-02 11:07pm

He just won't die. Why?! Did anyone find that I was twisting his words in my argument?

bozazz wrote:
“Again you use the word diminished to describe how immigration affect Canada’s culture and you wonder why I call you racist?”

I have not said that immigration diminishes canadian culture! I have said that multiculturalism diminishes Canadian culture. Those are two separate arguements. Read the posts and be aware of what you have rea before hitting the keyboard.

“I’m presenting you with actual evidence of your inherit racism”

No, you have simply twisted my words to represent the words you wish to put in my mouth.

“You’re that type of person that supports a homogenized white Canadian culture that excludes those from other countries. And I don’t even need to read between the lines to draw that conclusion”

Utter garbage. My own wife is an immigrant and a visible minority. I respect her culture and welcome people from her country to Canada. I simply feel that, Canada should not have to adapt to them. If I were to move to her country I would adapt to it rather than expecting them to adapt to me. Given that our children will not be white, why would I want my own children to grow up in a society that excludes non-whites?

“You made that quite explicit when you suggest that Canada is the only country that “allow our culture to be diminished in the name of political correctness.” “

We have “happy holidays” instead of “merry christmas” because christmas offends some immigrants.
We have removed God save the queen” from the schools because the queen offends some immigrants.
Municipal easter egg hunts have been stopped because easter offends some immigrants.
Now several immigrants are refusing to pledge to the queen because the queen offends some immigrants.
The list goes on. Did anyone ask Mexicans to stop publicly celebrating dios de la muertos for fear of offending immigrants?

“And you've referred to Canada's inherent culture as being British and French”
Uhm...the language? Oh yeah, and take a look at a quarter some time (not the side with the moose head). Ever seen the red ensign? You know the original Canadian flag? The Governor General? Parliament? Our military regiments (gaurds, highlanders..etc).