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Nevada Jury: Simpson Guilty On All Charges

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Jurors worked into night on robbery case against ex-football star

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LAS VEGAS - The jury has reached a decision in the O.J. Simpson armed robbery and kidnapping trial in Las Vegas, a court spokesman said Friday night.

"We have a verdict," spokesman Michael Sommermeyer says,

The verdict will be read about 10 p.m PT in Clark County District Court, he said.

The 61-year-old former football star and a golfing buddy, 54-year-old Clarence "C.J." Stewart, were tried on 12 criminal charges in the alleged gunpoint robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers in a casino hotel room last year.

Each faces five years to life in prison if convicted of kidnapping, or mandatory prison time if convicted of armed robbery.

The jury of nine women and three men deliberated more than 13 hours Friday.

Deliberations began 13 years to the day after Simpson was acquitted of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, in Los Angeles.

The Clark County jury heard 12 days of testimony, capped by prosecutors' arguments Thursday that the Las Vegas case had its roots in the 1994 slayings.

Prosecutor Chris Owens said Simpson planned — and Stewart helped carry out — a plot to retrieve personal items that Simpson lost after squirreling them away to avoid turning them over to Goldman's family to satisfy part of a $33.5 million civil wrongful death judgment levied in 1997 by a California court.

Owens told the jury to convict Simpson, denouncing him for "arrogance'' of thinking he could commit a crime "against the dignity and the peace of the state of Nevada.''

"The kind of arrogance ... that would make them think they could come in and get away with this kind of crime and that nobody would report it and they thought they could spin it that, 'It's all OK; It was my stuff.'''

Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, told the jury the prosecution didn't prove Simpson was guilty in the criminal case that he said "has taken on a life of its own because of Mr. Simpson's involvement.''

"Every cooperator, every person who had a gun, every person who had an ulterior motive, every person who signed a book deal, every person who got paid money - the police, the district attorney's office, is only interested in one thing: Mr. Simpson,'' Galanter said. "He has always been the target of this investigation, and nothing else mattered.''

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Galanter reminded the jury of a surreptitious recording of police investigators in the hotel room after the incident. "They're making jokes. They're saying things like, 'We're gonna get him,''' he said.

Since Sept. 15, the jury heard 22 often colorful witnesses — including seven of the nine people who were in the cramped hotel room. They've listened to numerous replays of secret recordings made before, during and after the alleged robbery.

Neither Simpson nor Stewart testified, and jurors were instructed not to consider that when judging the case. Two former co-defendants who said they brought guns did testify.

Judge Jackie Glass kept a tight rein on the proceedings and rejected several mistrial motions. She read 41 legal instructions to the jurors and six alternates before lawyers began closing arguments.

Galanter told the jury that the incident got out of hand because of former co-defendant Michael McClinton, who admitted displaying a gun during the confrontation.

"For whatever reason, Michael McClinton takes over,'' Galanter said, "and when McClinton takes over, he starts yelling and screaming and giving people orders and telling people to bag stuff up. And O.J.'s saying, 'Don't take anything that's not mine.'''

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Just was read on TV, both defendants have been convicted on all charges. When the article comes up I'll post that one too. So far all they have is this one.

My only thoughts on this are that I hope he wasn;t convicted based on the 1995 trial and that even if that is the case, I dunno that I should give a damn.
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Ex-football star faces prison sentence of 15 years to life over Vegas incident

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LAS VEGAS - A Las Vegas jury found former football star O.J. Simpson guilty Friday on all charges in his armed robbery and kidnapping trial. The 61-year-old Simpson faces a prison sentence of 15 years to life.

The verdict was read aloud at around 10:50 p.m. PT in Clark County District Court.

Co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart was also found guilty on 12 criminal charges in the alleged gunpoint robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers in a casino hotel room last year.

The jury of nine women and three men deliberated more than 13 hours Friday.

Deliberations began 13 years to the day after Simpson was acquitted of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, in Los Angeles.

The Clark County jury heard 12 days of testimony, capped by prosecutors' arguments Thursday that the Las Vegas case had its roots in the 1994 slayings.

Prosecutor Chris Owens said Simpson planned — and Stewart, Simpson's golfing buddy, helped carry out — a plot to retrieve personal items that Simpson lost after squirreling them away to avoid turning them over to Goldman's family to satisfy part of a $33.5 million civil wrongful death judgment levied in 1997 by a California court.

Owens told the jury to convict Simpson, denouncing him for "arrogance'' of thinking he could commit a crime "against the dignity and the peace of the state of Nevada.''

"The kind of arrogance ... that would make them think they could come in and get away with this kind of crime and that nobody would report it and they thought they could spin it that, 'It's all OK; It was my stuff.'''

Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, told the jury the prosecution didn't prove Simpson was guilty in the criminal case that he said "has taken on a life of its own because of Mr. Simpson's involvement.''

"Every cooperator, every person who had a gun, every person who had an ulterior motive, every person who signed a book deal, every person who got paid money - the police, the district attorney's office, is only interested in one thing: Mr. Simpson,'' Galanter said. "He has always been the target of this investigation, and nothing else mattered.''

Galanter reminded the jury of a surreptitious recording of police investigators in the hotel room after the incident. "They're making jokes. They're saying things like, 'We're gonna get him,''' he said.

Since Sept. 15, the jury heard 22 often colorful witnesses — including seven of the nine people who were in the cramped hotel room. They've listened to numerous replays of secret recordings made before, during and after the alleged robbery.

Neither Simpson nor Stewart testified, and jurors were instructed not to consider that when judging the case. Two former co-defendants who said they brought guns did testify.

Judge Jackie Glass kept a tight rein on the proceedings and rejected several mistrial motions. She read 41 legal instructions to the jurors and six alternates before lawyers began closing arguments.

Galanter told the jury that the incident got out of hand because of former co-defendant Michael McClinton, who admitted displaying a gun during the confrontation.

"For whatever reason, Michael McClinton takes over,'' Galanter said, "and when McClinton takes over, he starts yelling and screaming and giving people orders and telling people to bag stuff up. And O.J.'s saying, 'Don't take anything that's not mine.'''

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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Flagg wrote:My only thoughts on this are that I hope he wasn;t convicted based on the 1995 trial and that even if that is the case, I dunno that I should give a damn.
You don't mind that he killed his wife and got away with it? I know it's a separate issue and all, but I can't help but think of Al Capone. The man was a murderous criminal, and the only way the feds could get him was by charging him with tax evasion.

I say fuck him. The man is a menace to society, and this latest stunt he pulled only proves it.
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Flagg wrote:My only thoughts on this are that I hope he wasn;t convicted based on the 1995 trial and that even if that is the case, I dunno that I should give a damn.
You don't mind that he killed his wife and got away with it? I know it's a separate issue and all, but I can't help but think of Al Capone. The man was a murderous criminal, and the only way the feds could get him was by charging him with tax evasion.

I say fuck him. The man is a menace to society, and this latest stunt he pulled only proves it.

I mind. That's why I said that I don't know whether or not I should give a damn if his prior aquittal was the reason for this verdict. I hope it wasn;t because it would be a fucking miscarriage of justice, but at the same time, the guy is a fucking murderer.

That said, the evidence in this case seems rather compelling, so I doubt that even if the prior crimes hadn;t taken place the verdict would have been any different.
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I was in high school when OJ was acquitted thirteen years ago. I remember a teacher talking about it on a class, and saying something to the effect of, "Just wait. He'll commit another crime and get convicted. People like him always do."

He really hit that nail on the head.
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Superman wrote:I was in high school when OJ was acquitted thirteen years ago. I remember a teacher talking about it on a class, and saying something to the effect of, "Just wait. He'll commit another crime and get convicted. People like him always do."

He really hit that nail on the head.
What's pathetic is that it was all over a few thousand dollars of sports memorabilia he was trying to hide from the Browns and Goldmans. The dumb bastard could have lived a comfortable life off his untouchable NFL pension and what does he do? Gets greedy and tries to hoard as much money as he can.
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Flagg wrote:I mind. That's why I said that I don't know whether or not I should give a damn if his prior aquittal was the reason for this verdict. I hope it wasn;t because it would be a fucking miscarriage of justice, but at the same time, the guy is a fucking murderer.
I wouldn't call it a miscarriage of justice even if he was convicted because of the previous trial. That would imply that there was something inherently unjust about what happened. And I don't think you can really say that when he's shown behavior which indicates he did in fact murder two people. The fact that he went on to commit this crime on top of modern and numerous counts of assualt/spousal abuse shows that's he's an unrepentant asshole.
Flagg wrote:That said, the evidence in this case seems rather compelling, so I doubt that even if the prior crimes hadn;t taken place the verdict would have been any different.
Actually, as his first trial proved, it could in fact be different.
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It's a miscarriage of justice because the prosecutors don't have the right to magically override the judicial system and punish you for something a jury acquitted you of. A good justice system is about rules that are followed, not feeling good. Leaving leeway for anything but rules opens the system up to even further corruption than it already has.

That said, he brought this on himself.
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Excuse me, the jury, not the prosecutors. :|
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A good justice system is about the guilty being punished/reformed for their crimes and the innocent being protected from those that would harm them. A good legal system is about following the rules.

Jesus people, we have this same damn discussion every fucking time. Justice doesn't care about rules, it cares about desert. That is why it is an intangible juggernaut of a system that we cannot actually steer or use, we don't have the omniscience required to figure out desert, so we make legal systems that attempt to do this.
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You show up with guns and take stuff from someone else, that's called armed robbery. There is no plausible reason to believe he was convicted because he's a double-murderer, he was convicted because he barged into a casino with a bunch of guns with guns and took crap from someone else. This is obvious. The case always was open and shut like that.
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We'll have to see whether or not it's a miscarriage when he gets sentenced. Given OJ's rep and past, I wouldn't be surprised if he did everything humanly possible to get away with the minimum possible for his stunt.
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OJ Simpson miraculously got away with multible-murder back in 1995 due to a flash defence lawyer, a comical prosecution, and dodgy interacial politics clouding the jury, but like any typical sociopath he failed to learn from his bad actions and fell back into his old pattern of criminal dickery. Like the mid 1990s murders, his kidnapping and theft was motivated by extreme paranoia and possessiveness, with him thinking he had his wife and sports memorabilia wrongly stolen from him, incuring his vengeful wrath (despite legitimately parting with them).
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Just a side note. He faces life in prison since he was convicted on the kidnapping charge.
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Zed Snardbody wrote:Just a side note. He faces life in prison since he was convicted on the kidnapping charge.
Five years to life, iirc.
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General Zod wrote:
Zed Snardbody wrote:Just a side note. He faces life in prison since he was convicted on the kidnapping charge.
Five years to life, iirc.
Most of what I have heard is 15 to life and that would be with as many of the charges as possible running concurrently. Now that said he woudl be eligible for parole and early release as well as a bunch of other stuff but not for 5-10 years depenidng upon how you stack things at the optimal.
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I don't know why we even care about this.

Oh, wait, i do. He's famous, and had a farce of a show trial.

As must as it disgusts me, his previous trial resulted in a Not Guilty verdict. So, unless some real damn amazing new evidence comes forth (i.e he was caught on video doing it and the camera man is just now coming forward), he's not a murderer in the convicted sense, and will never will be in the convicted sense.

Regardlss of that fact, I am please, however, to see that the trial of an armed robber has been so open and shut. Multiple witnesses and testimony, a properly handled arrest and investigation, and no more of a media circus then one would expect from a robbery in a casino.

The American Justice system may have failed before, but apparently, it's learning.

Now, I just hope, with Simpson facing life in prison, if he's convited, the Goldman's + Browns will be able to finish ripping his questionable legacy apart, and get the money they were rewarded. And I hope a fair portion of the Browns share go to Mr. Simpsons children.
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Why was he such a preditable dumbfuck and got himself into trouble again over reasons of perceived theft? It is infuriating that he keeps on dodging punishment for his criminal actions all the time, especially when he has been known for being violent towards his murdered wife and later girlfriends before and after his farce of a murder trial.
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