Wiretapping Phone Sex, With The Bush Admin!

[SirNitram]

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US Soldier's 'Phone Sex' Intercepted, Shared

Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer.

"Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, 'Wow, this was crazy'," Faulk told ABC News.

Faulk said he joined in to listen, and talk about it during breaks in Back Hall's "smoke pit," but ended up feeling badly about his actions.

"I feel that it was something that the people should not have done. Including me," he said.

In testimony before Congress, then-NSA director Gen. Michael Hayden, now director of the CIA, said private conversations of Americans are not intercepted.

Military folks, hope you weren't getting too hot and heavy on the line while in the sand.

[The Spartan]

In testimony before Congress, then-NSA director Gen. Michael Hayden, now director of the CIA, said private conversations of Americans are not intercepted.

So, um, when is he going to be brought back before Congress and have his ass chewed off for this? Or better yet forced to resign? Or even better fired? Or better still prosecuted and thrown in prison?

[Terralthra]

Asked for comment about the ABC News report and accounts of intimate and private phone calls of military officers being passed around, a US intelligence official said "all employees of the US government" should expect that their telephone conversations could be monitored as part of an effort to safeguard security and "information assurance."

Wow. This is a pretty bold statement. All employees of the US government should accept being wiretapped routinely? How do they justify this? I can maybe understand operational security for active duty military members, but ALL EMPLOYEES?

[Havok]

Sure, why not. Businesses have the right to monitor e-mails and phone calls of their employees. Why should the Gov not have the same right?

And there are security issues information that go far beyond just active duty military.

[Solauren]

Sure, why not. Businesses have the right to monitor e-mails and phone calls of their employees. Why should the Gov not have the same right?

And there are security issues information that go far beyond just active duty military.

Um, newsflash Havokeff.

A business does not have the right to monitor e-mails and phone calls of their employees off of business grounds and equipment.

For example, unless it's while I'm accessing it from work, my boss has no right to my Hotmail account. They have no right to calls I make on my personal (non-business) cell phone, or my private home phone.

Now, if you meant 'sent or viewed with business-owned or provided equipment', that's different. However, the idiot qouted in the article above did not say that. He said all employees, period. This rather pointledly suggests an 'all inclusive' policy beyond the workplace.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Sure, why not. Businesses have the right to monitor e-mails and phone calls of their employees. Why should the Gov not have the same right?

And there are security issues information that go far beyond just active duty military.

Your boss taps your private line at home? Wow.

[Losonti Tokash]

Asked for comment about the ABC News report and accounts of intimate and private phone calls of military officers being passed around, a US intelligence official said "all employees of the US government" should expect that their telephone conversations could be monitored as part of an effort to safeguard security and "information assurance."

Wow. This is a pretty bold statement. All employees of the US government should accept being wiretapped routinely? How do they justify this? I can maybe understand operational security for active duty military members, but ALL EMPLOYEES?

Yeah? And? We're talking about people with access to your social security number, birth certificate, and just about all the other information someone would need to screw your life up but good. Obviously the bullshit in the OP is just that, but no one who works for the government should be surprised if they're being watched once in a while.

[General Zod]

And there are security issues information that go far beyond just active duty military.

How is this supposed to justify blatantly unconstitutional activity?

Yeah? And? We're talking about people with access to your social security number, birth certificate, and just about all the other information someone would need to screw your life up but good. Obviously the bullshit in the OP is just that, but no one who works for the government should be surprised if they're being watched once in a while.

I wasn't aware being a government employee meant signing away all your constitutional rights.

[Havok]

No where in there does it say they were taping outgoing calls from home. I assume the intercepts were being made on outgoing calls of active duty military.

[Havok]

GE: My bad... didn't read past page 1. However the article doesn't go any further than commenting on the specific military officers calls. So again, I don't think this is a matter of "OK Gen. Whathisnames wife is making a call, lets listen in." It's "Gen. Whatshisname is making a call from the Pentagon, lets listen in. Oh it's just his wife."

[Terralthra]

No where in there does it say they were taping outgoing calls from home. I assume the intercepts were being made on outgoing calls of active duty military.

She said US military officers, American journalists and American aid workers were routinely intercepted and "collected on" as they called their offices or homes in the United States.

Another intercept operator, former Navy Arab linguist, David Murfee Faulk, 39, said he and his fellow intercept operators listened into hundreds of Americans picked up using phones in Baghdad's Green Zone from late 2003 to November 2007.

"Calling home to the United States, talking to their spouses, sometimes their girlfriends, sometimes one phone call following another," said Faulk.

[Havok]

No where in there does it say they were taping outgoing calls from home. I assume the intercepts were being made on outgoing calls of active duty military.

She said US military officers, American journalists and American aid workers were routinely intercepted and "collected on" as they called their offices or homes in the United States.

Another intercept operator, former Navy Arab linguist, David Murfee Faulk, 39, said he and his fellow intercept operators listened into hundreds of Americans picked up using phones in Baghdad's Green Zone from late 2003 to November 2007.

"Calling home to the United States, talking to their spouses, sometimes their girlfriends, sometimes one phone call following another," said Faulk.

Yeah, and those are international calls coming INTO the US. Not domestic calls going out. And that statement still implies that government facilities were being used to place the calls or that they were being made from OBVIOUS hot spots where we would want to have intercepts being made.

[Losonti Tokash]

Yeah? And? We're talking about people with access to your social security number, birth certificate, and just about all the other information someone would need to screw your life up but good. Obviously the bullshit in the OP is just that, but no one who works for the government should be surprised if they're being watched once in a while.

I wasn't aware being a government employee meant signing away all your constitutional rights.

You mean like how I'm contractually obligated from publicly criticizing or filing a lawsuit against the government?

[Havok]

Just to clear up... I have zero issue with the Gov tapping any phone lines really. I'm not quite sure why people get all up in arms about this. Yes, I know the argument that losing one "freedom" will lead to losing more. but I also hear the argument that smoking weed will lead to using harder drugs and I find that just as silly.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Just to clear up... I have zero issue with the Gov tapping any phone lines really. I'm not quite sure why people get all up in arms about this. Yes, I know the argument that losing one "freedom" will lead to losing more. but I also hear the argument that smoking weed will lead to using harder drugs and I find that just as silly.

Yeah, I'm sure that McCain/Palin or Bush/Cheney would refrain from using their powers behind closed doors to spy on political opponents and opposition. I'm sure they would never do that. If the government can legally tap your phone at will, then there's no reason in common law that a judge wouldn't rule random house searches consistent under the same Constitutional modification.

[General Zod]

Just to clear up... I have zero issue with the Gov tapping any phone lines really. I'm not quite sure why people get all up in arms about this. Yes, I know the argument that losing one "freedom" will lead to losing more. but I also hear the argument that smoking weed will lead to using harder drugs and I find that just as silly.

In other words you have no problem with the government ignoring its own laws as long as it doesn't affect you personally? If a government flagrantly violates its own rules why should they be trusted?

[Kamakazie Sith]

Just to clear up... I have zero issue with the Gov tapping any phone lines really. I'm not quite sure why people get all up in arms about this. Yes, I know the argument that losing one "freedom" will lead to losing more. but I also hear the argument that smoking weed will lead to using harder drugs and I find that just as silly.

In other words you have no problem with the government ignoring its own laws as long as it doesn't affect you personally? If a government flagrantly violates its own rules why should they be trusted?

Except in this situation they aren't ignoring any laws. When you go to a deployed location where information is highly valuable you can expect any communication to be interecepted. Also, as a government employee they inform you of this, and this is something you agree as a matter of employment.

The real issue here is them passing this information on to others to get a few laughs.

[General Zod]

Except in this situation they aren't ignoring any laws. When you go to a deployed location where information is highly valuable you can expect any communication to be interecepted. Also, as a government employee they inform you of this, and this is something you agree as a matter of employment.

I wasn't addressing the OP. I was talking about Havokeff's tangent.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Yeah? And? We're talking about people with access to your social security number, birth certificate, and just about all the other information someone would need to screw your life up but good. Obviously the bullshit in the OP is just that, but no one who works for the government should be surprised if they're being watched once in a while.

I wasn't aware being a government employee meant signing away all your constitutional rights.

You mean like how I'm contractually obligated from publicly criticizing or filing a lawsuit against the government?

There are ways around that. SUch agreements are not iron clad.

[Molyneux]

Yeah? And? We're talking about people with access to your social security number, birth certificate, and just about all the other information someone would need to screw your life up but good. Obviously the bullshit in the OP is just that, but no one who works for the government should be surprised if they're being watched once in a while.

I wasn't aware being a government employee meant signing away all your constitutional rights.

You mean like how I'm contractually obligated from publicly criticizing or filing a lawsuit against the government?

What...what the fuck?
All right, I could understand being barred from filing a lawsuit, maybe, depending on the circumstances. Maybe.
You're not allowed to publically criticize the US government? What the fuck?

[Losonti Tokash]

What...what the fuck?
All right, I could understand being barred from filing a lawsuit, maybe, depending on the circumstances. Maybe.
You're not allowed to publically criticize the US government? What the fuck?

I'm allowed to criticize it as a public citizen, but not while I'm wearing my uniform or otherwise identifying myself as a member of the military. If I do, I will at best be thrown right the fuck out. Since I'm only an ROTC cadet, the UCMJ doesn't apply to me, but if I get kicked out I'll have to pay back all the tuition money I've been given and I'll be obligated to a term of service as an enlisted airman with pay and grade restrictions.

I can also be punished if I'm charged with a crime or get too many parking tickets, for example. You have to give up some rights to be in the military, that's just how it is.

[Elfdart]

At first I was worried when I read this because I had a few calls with a girl I knew who was in the Air Force a little over a year ago, and my obscene phone calls are usually funny and offer some entertainment value. But after reading about how useless these eavesdroppers are, I have to laugh. If these pathetic little wankers have nothing better to do than listen in when I'm doing my best Barry White impression and talking dirty to a female friend, fuck 'em. If it turns out that some jackoff in a government building was listening with his buddies or in a dark room with his pants around his ankles, the joke's on him, not me.

[Molyneux]

What...what the fuck?
All right, I could understand being barred from filing a lawsuit, maybe, depending on the circumstances. Maybe.
You're not allowed to publically criticize the US government? What the fuck?

I'm allowed to criticize it as a public citizen, but not while I'm wearing my uniform or otherwise identifying myself as a member of the military. If I do, I will at best be thrown right the fuck out. Since I'm only an ROTC cadet, the UCMJ doesn't apply to me, but if I get kicked out I'll have to pay back all the tuition money I've been given and I'll be obligated to a term of service as an enlisted airman with pay and grade restrictions.

I can also be punished if I'm charged with a crime or get too many parking tickets, for example. You have to give up some rights to be in the military, that's just how it is.

Oh, okay. I didn't realize it was only when you were speaking as a member of the Army - it would be REALLY nuts if you just weren't allowed to criticize the government, period, even when you were not in uniform.

[dragon]

No where in there does it say they were taping outgoing calls from home. I assume the intercepts were being made on outgoing calls of active duty military.

She said US military officers, American journalists and American aid workers were routinely intercepted and "collected on" as they called their offices or homes in the United States.

Another intercept operator, former Navy Arab linguist, David Murfee Faulk, 39, said he and his fellow intercept operators listened into hundreds of Americans picked up using phones in Baghdad's Green Zone from late 2003 to November 2007.

"Calling home to the United States, talking to their spouses, sometimes their girlfriends, sometimes one phone call following another," said Faulk.

The thing is these soliders and such are calling home most likely using a goverment provided phone or such. And in my office all the phones, comptuers and such state that user are subject to monitoring. When I was donw range I was told the phones we used for calling home were subjecy to monitoring. So nothing new.

[Dargos]

Article does not state if the calls were being made on civilian phones or government phones.

If these soldiers were using government/military phones, the government has the right to listen in ( looks at DD Form 2056 attached to phone) Even says it right there in BIG RED LETTERS "This telephone is subject to monitoring at all times. Use of this Telephone constitutes consent to monitoring".

It’s a whole other can of worms if these calls were initiated via civilian phones.