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So, the government can't find the money to give Centrelink employees a pay-rise inline with CPI (we haven't gotten close to CPI for the past few years), but can somehow find the money to "payola" the shit out of every welfare recipient on the block?

Yes. I said it. What else is this shit? FUCK. The amount of money this will cost will go FAR beyond the 4+ billion in payments. There'll be claims out the wazoo for all the payments which will pay bonuses, wasted time on appeals for anyone who was on a payment and wants to be again...

My frustration knows no bounds in this.

That said, if you've got half a brain you'll be buying Harvey Norman, TABCorp, Crown, Star and Federal Casino shares. Because we all know where the money is really going to end up. And it isn't at the supermarket.
ABC News wrote:Pensioners big winners in $10.4b stimulus splurge

By Online parliamentary correspondent Emma Rodgers

Posted 4 hours 21 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 50 minutes ago
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd

Australia's 4 million pensioners are set to receive almost $5 billion in payments before Christmas in a new economic stimulus plan announced by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd today.

Low income families and first-time homebuyers are also set for benefits under the $10.4 billion plan, which the Government hopes will protect Australia's economy from slowing growth as the global economic crisis continues.

Single aged pensioners will receive a payment of $1,400, with couples receiving $2,100.

Families who are eligible for Family Tax Benefit A will be paid $1,000 for each child, as will those who have dependent children on other benefits such as youth allowance.

Mr Rudd says almost 4 million children will receive the payment.

Disabilitiy pensioners are also eligible for the $1,000 payment as are carers.

The payments will be made on December 8.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says the spending, to be taken out of the $22 billion Budget surplus, is necessary to boost positive economic growth and stave off the effects of the global credit crunch.

"The global financial crisis has entered into a new, dangerous and damaging phase," he said. "That's why the Government has decided to act decisively and early."

The first homebuyers grant will be doubled in the 2008-09 year from $7,000 to $14,000 for those who buy their first home, and tripled to $21,000 for those who buy a new home, at a total cost of $1.5 billion.

Mr Rudd says a good performance in the housing sector is critical for the economy's overall performance.

"The Government remains determined to take whatever action remains necessary in the future, firstly, to continue to maintain the stability of the Australian financial system, and secondly to continue to underpin positive economic growth in the economy going forward," he said.

In other measures, $187 million will be spent on doubling training places.

The Government will also continue to fast-track infrastructure spending, but Mr Rudd said further details on which projects will be listed as a priority will be made in December.

Treasurer Wayne Swan, who has just returned from meetings with G20 leaders in the US, says the measures were necessary as global economic conditions changed dramatically in just a few weeks.

"The sooner that governments act to protect their people, the better," he said. "The situation is moving very fast, and it does require decisive action."

However Mr Swan also said Australia's economy still remained in a strong position.

Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull says he will seek a briefing from the Government on the package but has welcomed it and says it has bipartisan support.

"It will provide a stimulus to the economy and above all it give justice to Australia's aged pensioners in particular who have been doing it especially tough," he said.

"We trust that the Government has taken into account the advice from Treasury and considered the impact that this stimulus may have on the Reserve Bank's ability to continue reducing interest rates.

"Nonetheless we're not going to argue about the composition of the package."
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Oh yeah, and if it's still before 5pm where you are in Australia, phone up Centrelink and say you want to claim Carer Allowance and get the claim forms sent to you. Then, find someone who you could be perceived as provided care for and lodge a claim for them within 14 days. At worst, you get told no. At best, you get paid from today at a rate of $100.60 per fortnight and because it's from today you'd also be eligible for the $1000 bonus.

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At least the money's going to people instead of corporations. Though why they have a twenty billion dollar surplus and can't give the employees a raise baffles me.

As an aside, I'm on a Newstart allowance, do I get anything?
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Hey I've heard it's impossible to live on welfare in Australia by Today Tonight, thus this is actually a good thing! :D
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Gandalf wrote:At least the money's going to people instead of corporations. Though why they have a twenty billion dollar surplus and can't give the employees a raise baffles me.

As an aside, I'm on a Newstart allowance, do I get anything?
Sadly, as a NSA recipient, you are one of the few people on welfare who will get sweet FA. That said, the proposed changes to mutual obligation means that you will never have to worry about being forced off Newstart for not looking for/taking a job or anything like that.

Really, I personally would have thought that an "economic rationalist" like Mr Rudd would be doing all he could to stop people from claiming and/or staying on welfare, rather than creating further incentives people to be on it.
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Stark wrote:Hey I've heard it's impossible to live on welfare in Australia by Today Tonight, thus this is actually a good thing! :D

Yeah, because this is "an interim measure" to keep people tided over until their big pension reforms come through. And it totally will not end up being a yearly payment, just like all those other "budget night bonuses" which were only ever meant to be one offs. Because, even if they do completely change the system and the welfare recipients are far better off, you can be damn sure that there'll be pensioners stripping off in the street again and bitching on Today Tonight about how the government is trying to rob them of their hard earned $1400 bonus.
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On welfare? Aren't most of these changes aimed at people already working, not dole bludgers?
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lol how bout me on Youth Allowance ando?

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weemadando wrote:So, the government can't find the money to give Centrelink employees a pay-rise inline with CPI (we haven't gotten close to CPI for the past few years), but can somehow find the money to "payola" the shit out of every welfare recipient on the block?

Yes. I said it. What else is this shit? FUCK. The amount of money this will cost will go FAR beyond the 4+ billion in payments. There'll be claims out the wazoo for all the payments which will pay bonuses, wasted time on appeals for anyone who was on a payment and wants to be again...

My frustration knows no bounds in this.

That said, if you've got half a brain you'll be buying Harvey Norman, TABCorp, Crown, Star and Federal Casino shares. Because we all know where the money is really going to end up. And it isn't at the supermarket.
No offence, but why does EVERYONE think they should get at least CPI pay increases? I admit, I don't know much about economics, but wouldn't it be almost impossible to give everyone at or over CPI? Wouldn't trying to do this actually increase inflation and push up the CPI anyway?

If I'm wrong, flame away. But if I'm right, why should Government employees insist on pay increases in line with CPI which has been largely inflated in Oz by the mining boom?
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People would want it to match the CPI to maintain their lifestyles. Now one would think if that happen it would put pressure on inflation again and hence require people to try and push for another pay rise. So I guess getting payrises in line with CPI works best if you get there early, if everyone else also has pay rises, one would think your benefit just disappeared, and it only maintains your standard of living. But I am no economist.

On another note, at least they are planning to give tax cuts. There is also more money for first home buyers, but only until June 30. Since I am not planning to buy one, it doesn't help me much. I am just worried that this will just end up pushing house prices up, just when (at least in Perth) they are somewhat correcting.

On another note, this should put upward inflationary pressure and maybe the reserve bank can limit its interest rate cuts, so I can get more money from bank interest. :P On the down side inflation is most probably higher and my pay rise doesn't quite match inflation, and hasn't for a few years. :(
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Pay rises in line with CPI allow you to maintain you lifestyle at the same level. In theory a CPI level pay increase should allow you to keep your pay inline with the increased cost of living.

For example my most recent pay increase at work, which was a step between pay grades due to high performance as I'm still not at the highest paypoint in my bandwidth (though I'm not far off now), not due to a scheduled pay increase (the x% over Y years that are frequently mentioned in the media during negotiations), only gave me another $2 in my pocket per fortnight after tax.

Consider that my rent has gone up by $15 a week, food prices keep rising, train tickets are set to increase in price again... The whole lot - that's where it would be nice to have a guaranteed CPI pay increase.
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