Associated Press: neo-Nazi plan to assassinate Obama foiled

[ArcturusMengsk]

Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- ATF says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama, kill 102 black people.

More as this develops.

[ArcturusMengsk]

Here's a little more information

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

According to David Schuster on MSNBC, it is believed the two intended to pull off a Columbine-style attack on a local African-American high school and somehow escape to attack Obama.

[PeZook]

Wow...what a supremely retarded plan...

"Yeah, we're gonna rob that gun store here, shoot up that school and then somehow, someway attack a presidential candidate with every police office in the state after us!

FUCK YEAH!"

Sounds like something borne out of a bad cocaine trip

[Flagg]

Wow...what a supremely retarded plan...

"Yeah, we're gonna rob that gun store here, shoot up that school and then somehow, someway attack a presidential candidate with every police office in the state after us!

FUCK YEAH!"

Sounds like something borne out of a bad cocaine trip

Meth. Skinheads use meth.

[Haruko]

From MSNBC:

WASHINGTON - A plot by two Neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Barack Obama and kill dozens of other African Americans has been foiled, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said Monday.

Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Ark., were charged Friday with making threats against a presidential candidate, illegal possession of a sawed-off shotgun and conspiracy to rob a gun store.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans that included robbing a gun store and targeting an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school.

The two men were arrested in Crockett County, Tenn., and have already made a court appearance.

The plot unraveled when one of the men was arrested on other charges and in the course of interviews he revealed plans for the plot.

According to the court records, the pair discussed robbing a gun shop in order to gather weapons and ammunition to use in a "killing spree."

The defendants allegedly further discussed their killing spree to include targeting a predominately African-American school, and to continue their spree until it culminated with an attempt to assassinate Obama.

[Rogue 9]

So they planned to kill precisely 102 black people? Why that exact number, and how did they arrive at it? Was it the number of bullets they had or something?

[Bluewolf]

BBC has the same news as well:

US government agents say they have foiled a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Court records unsealed on Monday quote agents as saying they had disrupted plans by two neo-Nazi skinheads, the Associated Press news agency reports.

The pair also allegedly planned to murder more than 100 black people at a school in the state of Tennessee.

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) brought the case, AP reports.

The two skinheads allegedly planned to rob a gun store and then carry out a killing spree at an unnamed predominantly African-American high school, AP quotes the court records as saying.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office of the ATF, told AP that the two men had planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are said to be symbolic in the white supremacist community.

Mr Cavanaugh said the men had sought to go on a national killing spree, with Mr Obama as its final target.

"They said that would be their last, final act - that they would attempt to kill Senator Obama," Mr Cavanaugh told AP.

"They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

The Obama campaign had no initial comment on the report.

Mr Obama, who if elected will become the first black US president, is leading Republican rival John McCain in opinion polls ahead of the 4 November election.

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7694254.stm

Yep, they really were on drugs.

[Kamakazie Sith]

So they planned to kill precisely 102 black people? Why that exact number, and how did they arrive at it? Was it the number of bullets they had or something?

wiki

Eighty-eight is used as code among Neo-Nazis to identify each other. H is the 8th letter of the alphabet, so 88 is taken to stand for HH which in turn means Heil Hitler. For example, the number is used in the song "88 rock`n`roll band" by the neo-Nazi group Landser.14 is used similarly, referring to the so-called "Fourteen Words", often found in combination with 88 (1488, 14/88, etc.). This form of the number has inspired the naming of the groups Column 88, Unit 88 and White Legion 88.

[Ford Prefect]

Ugh, you're serious? I really like '88' on its merits as a cool number and the Nazis have totally ruined it.

While deplorable, one has to admit that there had to have been at least one American neo-Nazi (or general white supremacist) plot to kill Obama brewing. It is pleasing to see it stopped before they had a chance to kill any students.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Yahoo got it.

Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama

WASHINGTON – Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday.

In all, the two men whom officials describe as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people — 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the court documents show.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

Sheriffs' deputies in Crockett County, Tenn., arrested the two suspects — Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark. — Oct. 22 on unspecified charges. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

The two were charged by federal authorities Monday with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

Cowart and Schlesselman are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.

No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.

The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.

The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."

Court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the African-American school they were targeting by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

He added: "They seemed determined to do it. Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. He said there's no evidence — so far — that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

At this point, there does not appear to be any formal assassination plan, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said.

"Whether or not they had the capability or the wherewithal to carry out an attack remains to be seen," he said.

Zahren said the statements about the assassination came out in interviews after the men were arrested last week.

The Secret Service became involved in the investigation once it was clear that an Obama assassination attempt was part of this violent far-reaching plot.

"We don't discount anything," Zahren said, adding that it's one thing for the defendants to make statements, but it's not the same as having an organized assassination plan.

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

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Associated Press writers Erik Schelzig in Nashville, Tenn., Jon Gambrell in Little Rock, Ark., and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.

All I can say is this stupid lil neonazi pigfelching shit's got a real purdy mouth on him. I bet when the chips are down in jail, he gets to praying really fast (yes I saw Deliverance last night). I don't think he'll have that schweet FN FAL with him where he's going. Speaking of, what is his major malfunction with trigger discipline!? "Oh I didn't know it could fire with the mag removed or that there was a round chambered, DERP!" Baka!

Stupid, stupid little iced-up racist skinheads with toys and delusions of grandeur. They need to learn that we prefer our politics civilized. He's nothing but a troll.

[Mr. Coffee]

Wait a fucking second... That's a guy? Why is he wearing lipstick?

[Shogoki]

And here I though 88 then related to Nazi's was merely the name of a wicked looking AA/AT cannon.

[charlemagne]

That 88 thing is pretty old here in Germany. For example, when there's a stupid looking riced-up Volkswagen Golf with the license plates ending in 88 you can be pretty sure that there'd be dumb bald young men sitting in it.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Wait a fucking second... That's a guy? Why is he wearing lipstick?

Because sometimes even neo-nazis just want to look pretty.

[Thanas]

And here I though 88 then related to Nazi's was merely the name of a wicked looking AA/AT cannon.

It is quite easy to decipher once you run it through the alphabet, what is the eighth letter? H. So you got "HH". Which translates to "Heil Hitler". Same applies to 18 (Adolf Hitler) and 28 ("Blood and Honour"). Another number combination is 168:1, which refers to Timothy McVeigh (who killed 168 people and was executed for it, hence the 168:1).

The 14 mentioned in the article is actually an american invention - it is short for the following 14 words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

The scumbags primarily use those symbols to circumvent hate crime laws.

That 88 thing is pretty old here in Germany. For example, when there's a stupid looking riced-up Volkswagen Golf with the license plates ending in 88 you can be pretty sure that there'd be dumb bald young men sitting in it.

To be fair, though, that only applies to Volkswagen. My father's BMW for example has 88 license plates as well and that's because of the birthday of my mother.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

LOL Reddit made the Deliverance connection before I could. Dammit!

They think he's wearing lipstick, too!

[charlemagne]

To be fair, though, that only applies to Volkswagen. My father's BMW for example has 88 license plates as well and that's because of the birthday of my mother.

Sure, it's always a combination of things. If you're not sure if a bald dumb guy is a nazi scumbag, the "88" plates would give it away. Of course there's lots of normal people getting such plates because of coincidence or because they connect other stuff to the number.

The most covert nazi license plates I've seen was "Letter standing for some east German town - HH - 88"

[Glocksman]

'Hold up a gun store'.

The employees openly carry loaded pistols at every gunshop I've been in, not to mention the 'hangers on' who legally carry and are there to 'shoot the shit' about guns with employees.

IOW, holding up a gunshop is almost as stupid as robbing a Dunkin' Donuts with 20 police cruisers in the parking lot.

But no one ever accused skinhead white supremacists of being overly smart.

[Kamakazie Sith]

'Hold up a gun store'.

The employees openly carry loaded pistols at every gunshop I've been in, not to mention the 'hangers on' who legally carry and are there to 'shoot the shit' about guns with employees.

I know. That's why I disagree that the ATF foiled a plot to kill Obama. They foiled a fantasy that included the assisination of Obama.

IOW, holding up a gunshop is almost as stupid as robbing a Dunkin' Donuts with 20 police cruisers in the parking lot.

Whoa, bub. It's bagles now.

[bobalot]

PZ Myers made an interesting point over at his blog. Why aren't these guys called "Terrorists" (or at least "would be terrorists") in media reports?

[Kamakazie Sith]

PZ Myers made an interesting point over at his blog. Why aren't these guys called "Terrorists" (or at least "would be terrorists") in media reports?

I'm glad they weren't. I think you should specifically point out what groups these people belong to so they can't all be tossed in the same category. These fuckers are every bit as bad as your typical ghetto gang.

[Glocksman]

Whoa, bub. It's bagles now.

IOW, holding up a gunshop is almost as stupid as robbing a Great American Bagel with 20 police cruisers in the parking lot.

Better?

[SAMAS]

'Hold up a gun store'.

The employees openly carry loaded pistols at every gunshop I've been in, not to mention the 'hangers on' who legally carry and are there to 'shoot the shit' about guns with employees.

I know. That's why I disagree that the ATF foiled a plot to kill Obama. They foiled a fantasy that included the assisination of Obama.

They only said a plot.

They never said it was a good one.

[Molyneux]

Well, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who found that skinhead disturbingly...feminine, in a bizarrely over-the-top-macho sort of way. Also seriously glad that the bastards never got around to hurting anyone before they were caught.

[Gil Hamilton]

I know. That's why I disagree that the ATF foiled a plot to kill Obama. They foiled a fantasy that included the assisination of Obama.

The fantasy to kill Obama, yeah. What is fortunate is not that they were caught before they attempted to assassinate Obama (as if these jokers were a match for the Sercet Service), but that they were caught before they wandered into a school full of black kids and opened fire. They weren't much of a threat to candidate Obama, but even in their stupidity they could have caused a really nasty incident.