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British Banks Bailed Out AGAIN!

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Taxpayers in second bank bail-out

last updated: Monday 19 January 2009, 11:20am

The Government has unveiled plans to use billions of pounds of taxpayers' money to insure banks against their toxic debts.
In a joint press conference with the Prime Minister, plans to put hundreds of billions of pounds of taxpayers' money on the line were announced.

Gordon Brown said the move was necessary to free up money in the banking system after a 'major loss' of lending capacity in all economies.

Mr Brown said: 'These are comprehensive measures focused on one purpose - increasing the amount of lending that is available to families and to the businesses who are the backbone of our country and who want to invest and create jobs.'

The extra cash injection comes just three months after October's £37 billion bank bail-out and taxpayers will be questioning why the first was seemingly insufficient.

But Mr Brown said previous measures announced by the Government had been designed to stabilise the banks rather than expand lending.

But following Friday's dramatic stock market falls amid fears that the banks were set to reveal further massive writedowns, it remains to be seen how much of the extra cash will be used to mop up toxic debts by the banks.

Going into detail on the plans, Mr Brown announced a new Bank of England fund, worth up to £50 billion, which will be used to buy assets from banks and other financial institutions to encourage the resumption of lending by the non-banking sector.

In affect, the Treasury will insure banks against their losses, taking some of the risk out of lending.

Mr Brown said there would also be an extension of the credit guarantee scheme and a new strategy for Northern Rock in an effort to increase capacity in the mortgage markets.

In addition, Mr Darling will negotiate a new lending responsibilty agreement with each bank to ensure he can keep a record of what the bailout cash is being used for.

Mr Brown added: 'The impact of today's announcements on public finances will be temporary, investments will be held for no longer than is necessary to ensure stability.

'We will protect taxpayers' interests, liabilities will be backed by assets and fees will be charged for the schemes that we are introducing.

'But the costs of doing nothing are simply to great. These are extraordinary times, they require unprecedented action.'
Well done Gordon Brown, slinging away all that money into the blackhole. :roll:
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EDIT: when I first entered the thread, there was no OP, even on refresh...


I think this sums up my feelings on the matter in the OP: :banghead:
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... ained.html



What is the aim of today's intiatives?
The credit markets are still not working, despite an earlier £37bn injection of cash into British banks. The authorities fear that unless something is done to get credit flowing and confidence restored in the financial system, the recession will get worse.

It is hoping to break a vicious downward spiral whereby as the downturn deepens, more borrowers default. This leads banks to set aside more capital to cover the losses. leaving them wary of lending to businesses and individuals.

The knock on effect is families stop spending, more businesses fail and the economy is further damaged. The aim is to break this cycle so the economy recovers as families start to feel more secure about their savings and start spendng and banks begin providng more mortgages and working capital to businesses.

What happened to the last bank bail-out?
Last October the Government pumped £ 37bn of public money into the banks in an attempt to bolster confidence and increase lending, but it just wasn't enough. With property prices tumbling, borrowers defaulting and bad debts rising, the banks now face heavy losses.

No one can say for sure how much the losses will be, but Gordon Brown has urged the banks to come clean about the scale of their exposure.

Government sources said they were "shocked'' to discover that up to 80pc of lending by the big banks has been to companies and individuals overseas.

How can insuring bad loans help?
Banks are carrying bad loans on their books. Investors are nervous. They fear banks are not being up front about the size of their losses on these loans.

Banks also feel the same way about rivals. This lack of mutual trust has kept credit markets closed and they will remain so until the full extent of these bad loans is known. By offering to insure losses on banks' bad debts over a certain level, the government aims to put a floor under these liabilities.

It hopes that by acting now it can prevent a further loss of confidence in banks, which are expected to unveil heavy losses over the coming weeks. The argument is that by capping the losses, banks will feel happier about their prospects and start to lend more to businesses and households.

At the same big investors such as pension funds will feel confident enough to start lending to banks again, which will provide banks will all-important funding for new loans to individuals and businesses.

What about the "toxic bank''?
Ministers had been discussing a "toxic bank'' that would have bought up an estimated £200bn of the banks' bad assets, based on these loans, holding them in the hope that the economy recovered and their value rose. It would have allowed the banks to clear bad assets off their balance sheets, but the "toxic bank'' would have had to absorb any losses.

However, it would have been difficult to establish how much the Government should pay for bad assets. The insurance scheme means the Government only has to pick up the bill as and when the bad assets mature.

How much will the taxpayer be liable for?

The banks retain the bad assets on their books. All the taxpaper is liable for is the losses over a certain level. What that level is has not been spelt out but it could potentially be tens of billions. On the positive side, It could be that in a few years these assets will rise in value and even produce a profit.

Why does the government want a bigger stake in the banks?
When the government injected money into a number of banks last year, they took preference shares in banks such as Royal Bank of Scotland, Lloyds TSB and HBOS (which have since merged).

These are shares take "preference" over other creditors and committed the banks to paying off hundreds of millions of pounds to the taxpayer before they did anything else.

The government also asked to be paid a 12pc dividend on these shares. It is a heavy burden for struggling banks - they are being urged to lend more money while still having to pay the state a 12pc return on its investment at a time when interest rates are close to zero.

By converting the perference shares into ordinary shares the government will relieve banks of this burden and enable them to lend more. It does, however, move them closer to nationalisation - Royal Bank of Scotland for example will be almost 70pc state owned.

How does easing lendng restrictions at Northern Rock help?
The Government wants nationalised Northern Rock to be a "good bank" that will lend more to individuals and businesses.

When the bank was nationalised strict limits were put on new lending so the bank would not fall foul of the European Union's rules on state aid.

Capping Northern Rock's lending also meant it could make large repayments on the £27bn the Government loaned it. By reversing this this policy, ministers believe the bank will be able to increase lending at a time when other lenders have cut the amount of business they are doing.

Will it work?
This depends on the length and depth of the recession. Some economists believe that in the coming months a lot more public funding is going to be needed to limit the damage being caused across the economy by the continuing problems in the banking system.

Already it has fed through to the broader economy - a number of High Street retailers have collapsed with the loss of thousands of jobs.

The struggling car industry is laying off workers, cutting production and asking the government for help. There are reports that European banks have only reported 25pc of the bad loans they they on their books.

That means more pain to come in eurozone, our biggest tradng partner. The global economy is also slowing and even China is starting to feel the pinch. The outlook for an early recovery is not good.
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Wait, so giving the banks $700 billion in the US and £37 in the UK did not help, since they didn't start lending but simply sat on the money, for it came with no strings attached...

The solution? Another bailout. That's marvelous logic.
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I think this song from the late 70s and early 80s is rather apt, don't you think? :)
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Stas Bush wrote:Wait, so giving the banks $700 billion in the US and £37 in the UK did not help, since they didn't start lending but simply sat on the money, for it came with no strings attached...

The solution? Another bailout. That's marvelous logic.
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I remember last year, when Hank Paulson was still talking about that vague, not-so-formed plan to buy the bad assets off of banks, Gordon Brown was being praised for his "leadership" in directly buying stakes in the banks, and so forth. Guess that didn't pan out so well.
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Didn't you hear? Brown saved the world. He saved it so well, he's giving everyone free money. And by "everyone", I mean "the banks" and by "free", I mean "at great cost to our future generations".
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*snicker re: the "world" bit* Yeah, I heard that one across the pond.
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The bailout worked so well that shares of HSBS, RBS, and other British banks lost 60-70% of their value in a single day. Regarding the article posted by Zac Naloen , it seems the British are almost as clueless as we are on this side of the ocean. The assumptions & reasoning have little basis in truth and they still don't understand that the bad debts held by the banks must be defaulted or paid off, there is no other way to restoring confidence and an eventual recovery.
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The Banks first have to admit to these debts actually existing.

They are all keeping quiet about who has what toxic debts, which is why there is zero confidence. No one knows who really has what assets.
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J wrote:The bailout worked so well that shares of HSBS, RBS, and other British banks lost 60-70% of their value in a single day. Regarding the article posted by Zac Naloen , it seems the British are almost as clueless as we are on this side of the ocean. The assumptions & reasoning have little basis in truth and they still don't understand that the bad debts held by the banks must be defaulted or paid off, there is no other way to restoring confidence and an eventual recovery.
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^At least Keynianism has more milage to it than the confidence tricking Friedmanism that seems to have had a (relatively) fast acting 100% failure rate in everywhere it has been employed. America then had the biggest middle class in history and put a man on the moon when Keynianism was in effect, Friedmanism has universally been pure fail since the late 1970s for the majority of people and entire nations, which even includes the world's premier superpower (who the corrupt and incompetent financial/corporate elite feel no real loyalty to if they moved much of the real economy to East Asia).
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