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(CNN) -- A former prison secretary has been sentenced to six months in federal prison for having sex with an inmate she was supposed to be supervising, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's office in the District of Colorado said Friday.

Janine Sligar, 47, of Wray, Colorado, was sentenced Thursday for sexual abuse of a ward. After serving her sentence, she will serve five years of supervised release and must register as a sex offender, spokesman Jeff Dorschner said in a news release.

Sligar, who must surrender to a facility designated by the Bureau of Prisons on March 2, did not respond to a telephone call to her home for comment.

She was indicted in July by a federal grand jury in Denver and pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in October.

According to the plea agreement, Sligar, a 14-year Bureau of Prisons veteran, said she and inmate Eric McClain met in February 2007, when he was assigned to clean her office.

"They began to have conversations and realized they had similar interests," the plea agreement said.

That summer, they initiated a sexual relationship that included 10 to 20 sessions of oral sex and sexual intercourse, ending in October 2007, it said.

The liaisons primarily occurred in a staff restroom in the housing unit at the Federal Prison Camp in Florence, Colorado, according to the agreement.

Sligar, who acknowledged having detailed her activities in a journal, said she obtained a cell phone with a non-local phone number so McClain could call her without raising suspicion and admitted she gave him contraband that included photographs with explicit sexual poses, the plea agreement added.

"Defendant also admitted using her cell phone camera to take graphic pictures of a sexual nature which depict defendant and this inmate," it said.

Authorities began investigating the incident after receiving a tip about the inappropriate relationship. They then learned that Sligar had changed the primary beneficiary on an insurance policy from her children to McClain. A subsequent search of her home turned up the journal and photographs.
The charge of sex offender status is pure bullshit. That was sex between two consenting adults. Fine, punish her as a normal person if you must. But placing her on a sex offender list for consensual sex? That is pure bullshit. Her life is already ruined for having been caught and going to jail for this. She will have to serve 5 years on probation. Listing her as a sex offender is nothing short of vindictive. That label will follow her the rest of her life as she cannot shake that label. Sex offender labels cannot be discarded and continue to punish you years after you have completed your term. It will place restrictions on her life and allow people to publicly look her up over her indiscretion.

This is why I think the sex offender label is pure bullshit. It has been misapplied to innocent or harmless individuals. I have heard cases of the label being used on young adults for having 17 year old girlfriends that they ended up marrying afterwords anyway. I have heard about it used against teenagers who had sex under age. Two 14 year olds having sex were charged with statutory rape against each other. Or the 16 year old girl that was convicted of child pornography for taking pictures of herself and selling them over the internet. Better yet, schools hunting down the new sexting craze where they automatically punish the recipient with child porn charges regardless of their intent. Right now the sex offender label is causing more harm then good and should be done away with.

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Apparently Americans have this backward view on sex. Who knew?
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What point does the sex offender registry serve save to act as a back door for punishing people years after they have "paid their debt to society?"

Of course they have the excuse that people have a right to know if their's a dangerous sex offender in their area, but that's bullshit. If someone's dangerous, they shouldn't have been let out. If not, why continue to punish them?

Fuck the sex offender registry.
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A prisoner cannot give consent to a guard due to the direct power a guard has over the inmate. Even when an inmate 'consents' is he/she doing so out of his/her own free will or as a result of the psycological power the guard holds over them.

stop and think a minute before you ejaculate 'teh eval 'muricans are pur1tanz zomg!' all over yourself.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:A prisoner cannot give consent to a guard due to the direct power a guard has over the inmate. Even when an inmate 'consents' is he/she doing so out of his/her own free will or as a result of the psycological power the guard holds over them.

stop and think a minute before you ejaculate 'teh eval 'muricans are pur1tanz zomg!' all over yourself.
This was a SECRETARY.
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Alyeska wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:A prisoner cannot give consent to a guard due to the direct power a guard has over the inmate. Even when an inmate 'consents' is he/she doing so out of his/her own free will or as a result of the psycological power the guard holds over them.

stop and think a minute before you ejaculate 'teh eval 'muricans are pur1tanz zomg!' all over yourself.
This was a SECRETARY.

Doesn't matter. She a part of the institution and the blue wall of silence. She is part of the system put in place to keep prisoners under control and should be held to a higher standard. What if it was a male secretary banging female inmates? Using his guard buddies to coerce inmates Regardless of position, people in these institutions hold a power over inmates. When the line is crossed dangerous things happen. These laws exist for a reason. The jailed cannot consent to the jailers.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:Doesn't matter. She a part of the institution and the blue wall of silence. She is part of the system put in place to keep prisoners under control and should be held to a higher standard. What if it was a male secretary banging female inmates? Using his guard buddies to coerce inmates Regardless of position, people in these institutions hold a power over inmates. When the line is crossed dangerous things happen. These laws exist for a reason. The jailed cannot consent to the jailers.
The degree to which that can be argued is debatable. I didn't disagree on prison or jail time. I vehemently disagree with the sex offender label as a result.
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Alyeska wrote: This was a SECRETARY.
Still an employee of the prison system, and still professionally involved with this prisoner, so it's still an inappropriate relationship.

Though common sense would dictate that it would be a matter of internal professional discipline rather than the criminal justice system (ie. she should be sacked, not imprisoned.), it's one of those cases that needs a common sense override in a blanket law.
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The sex offender status in this case is, in my opinion, taking it a step too far. And the reason being that even though she abused her power and does need to be punished for it through the criminal justice system, the biological facts of the situation are such that it required him to be willing to go along with it.

If this had been a female prisoner and a male guard, nobody would be saying anything about the sex offender thing. As sexist as it may seem on the surface, in situations like this one of the most important questions is whether the person doing the penetration is in the position of power or not. In this regard, the situation is substantially no different from the female teachers being imprisoned and listed as sex offenders for having sex with underage male students.

The judge probably had no sentencing latitude in the case either.

Alyeska's general complaint about fucked up American sexual puritanism is spot on, but in this case slightly misapplied as it is more complex than most. Think this through carefully people, because if we start getting the same kneejerk bullshit as we did with the female teacher/male student threads in the past, these threads are guaranteed to end up in the HoS after review by uninvolved moderators.
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Edi wrote:The sex offender status in this case is, in my opinion, taking it a step too far. And the reason being that even though she abused her power and does need to be punished for it through the criminal justice system, the biological facts of the situation are such that it required him to be willing to go along with it.
A meaningless assertion. Of course he was willing to go along with it, that's why she wasn't charged with rape. The operative question is whether or not he was willing because she held a position of power over him. There's no biological fact here that requires his consent to be free of duress.
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Edi wrote:The sex offender status in this case is, in my opinion, taking it a step too far. And the reason being that even though she abused her power and does need to be punished for it through the criminal justice system, the biological facts of the situation are such that it required him to be willing to go along with it.
A meaningless assertion. Of course he was willing to go along with it, that's why she wasn't charged with rape. The operative question is whether or not he was willing because she held a position of power over him. There's no biological fact here that requires his consent to be free of duress.
For a man to get an erection, he needs to be aroused. He can be considered to have been under duress due to her being in a position of power, but the mechanisms of how an erection occurs and what is required for it are well known. So is the propensity of men to take advantage of opportunities to have sex when it is available. Together, these things point to him having been a willing participant even though he was legally incapable of giving consent.

What part of this is too difficult for you to understand? Or do you just like nitpicking meaningless bullshit while ignoring the main point?
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Edi wrote:
Terralthra wrote:
Edi wrote:The sex offender status in this case is, in my opinion, taking it a step too far. And the reason being that even though she abused her power and does need to be punished for it through the criminal justice system, the biological facts of the situation are such that it required him to be willing to go along with it.
A meaningless assertion. Of course he was willing to go along with it, that's why she wasn't charged with rape. The operative question is whether or not he was willing because she held a position of power over him. There's no biological fact here that requires his consent to be free of duress.
For a man to get an erection, he needs to be aroused. He can be considered to have been under duress due to her being in a position of power, but the mechanisms of how an erection occurs and what is required for it are well known. So is the propensity of men to take advantage of opportunities to have sex when it is available. Together, these things point to him having been a willing participant even though he was legally incapable of giving consent.

What part of this is too difficult for you to understand? Or do you just like nitpicking meaningless bullshit while ignoring the main point?
Except that a person can be aroused but unwilling to want to have sex. Male or female. Your response doesn't actually refute the supposition that he may not have been a willing participant just because he had wood.
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Yeah, okay, he may not have been a willing participant, except they engaged in that activity 10 to 20 times according to the article. And then there's the other things related to this that make the probability of that course of events downright laughable.

I don't know what the fuck it is in situations like this where every goddamn flimsy excuse is made for why the male could possibly not have wanted it and therefore this MUST be what happened. Every fucking time.
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Edi wrote:Yeah, okay, he may not have been a willing participant, except they engaged in that activity 10 to 20 times according to the article. And then there's the other things related to this that make the probability of that course of events downright laughable.

I don't know what the fuck it is in situations like this where every goddamn flimsy excuse is made for why the male could possibly not have wanted it and therefore this MUST be what happened. Every fucking time.
Because it's a possibility that this did occur, and it's sometimes really easy to fall onto the slipperly slope of "the person wanted it".

Notice I never said I agreed with the woman getting sex offender status. Personally, I believe that is bullshit. All I was doing was calling the fact that erection=/= willing participant. Nothing more. :)
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For a man to get an erection, he needs to be aroused. He can be considered to have been under duress due to her being in a position of power, but the mechanisms of how an erection occurs and what is required for it are well known. So is the propensity of men to take advantage of opportunities to have sex when it is available. Together, these things point to him having been a willing participant even though he was legally incapable of giving consent.
I have to agree with Edi on this one. That many times is obviously an expression of desire and being a convicted criminal, I have trouble thinking of him as "innocent" in any sense of the word. Sex offender status? That's ridiculous. :roll:
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Wait. How does a secretary who had an inmate assigned to clean her office have any kind of sway or power over an inmate? I mean, I could see if it was a shrink, or even a doctor, but this is just a lady that happens to work at the prison. She doesn't have anything to do with the system and it's workings aside from filing papers and answering phones.

And AMT, are you seriously saying that this guy, who is in prison, did not want to get oral sex from a woman? :lol: Look man, there are times when uncommon sense MUST over come technicalities. This is one of those times.
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havokeff wrote:Wait. How does a secretary who had an inmate assigned to clean her office have any kind of sway or power over an inmate? I mean, I could see if it was a shrink, or even a doctor, but this is just a lady that happens to work at the prison. She doesn't have anything to do with the system and it's workings aside from filing papers and answering phones.
'Warden, the inmate you assigned to me has become violent.'
And AMT, are you seriously saying that this guy, who is in prison, did not want to get oral sex from a woman? :lol: Look man, there are times when uncommon sense MUST over come technicalities. This is one of those times.
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Edi wrote:If this had been a female prisoner and a male guard, nobody would be saying anything about the sex offender thing. As sexist as it may seem on the surface, in situations like this one of the most important questions is whether the person doing the penetration is in the position of power or not. In this regard, the situation is substantially no different from the female teachers being imprisoned and listed as sex offenders for having sex with underage male students.
I know I've been part of threads of this nature before, and the fallout from them makes me wary, so I'm going to ask for clarification here before jumping to conclusions: are you honestly saying that the genders involved would be determining factors, not only in cases involving adults only, but in the case of adults fucking children?
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SirNitram wrote:
havokeff wrote:Wait. How does a secretary who had an inmate assigned to clean her office have any kind of sway or power over an inmate? I mean, I could see if it was a shrink, or even a doctor, but this is just a lady that happens to work at the prison. She doesn't have anything to do with the system and it's workings aside from filing papers and answering phones.
'Warden, the inmate you assigned to me has become violent.'
Ok so she can "call the cops on him". Everyone has that power over everyone else. It is nothing special that her job dictates.
The point is, she doesn't have influence over his stay in prison, his condition while there, his privileges while there. She isn't evaluating him. She isn't gauging his mental state. She isn't writing reports on his behavior. Her professional capacity of involvement with the inmate is zero.
And AMT, are you seriously saying that this guy, who is in prison, did not want to get oral sex from a woman? :lol: Look man, there are times when uncommon sense MUST over come technicalities. This is one of those times.
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Yeah. Read what I wrote. I said there are times when you IGNORE the technicalities. I'm not saying they don't exist.
Do you honestly believe that this inmate wasn't the happiest guy in his cell block and that he didn't look forward to "cleaning her office" every chance he got, and that he was being raped? Don't be a fucking idiot.
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havokeff wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
havokeff wrote:Wait. How does a secretary who had an inmate assigned to clean her office have any kind of sway or power over an inmate? I mean, I could see if it was a shrink, or even a doctor, but this is just a lady that happens to work at the prison. She doesn't have anything to do with the system and it's workings aside from filing papers and answering phones.
'Warden, the inmate you assigned to me has become violent.'
Ok so she can "call the cops on him". Everyone has that power over everyone else. It is nothing special that her job dictates.
The point is, she doesn't have influence over his stay in prison, his condition while there, his privileges while there. She isn't evaluating him. She isn't gauging his mental state. She isn't writing reports on his behavior. Her professional capacity of involvement with the inmate is zero.
Wow, you're blindingly stupid. Tell me, since you're writing in this thread entirely on chariactures of men: What would the reaction be if the CO's were told the poor, helpless secretary was raped? Do you think the prisoner would not suffer?
And AMT, are you seriously saying that this guy, who is in prison, did not want to get oral sex from a woman? :lol: Look man, there are times when uncommon sense MUST over come technicalities. This is one of those times.
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Yeah. Read what I wrote. I said there are times when you IGNORE the technicalities. I'm not saying they don't exist.
Do you honestly believe that this inmate wasn't the happiest guy in his cell block and that he didn't look forward to "cleaning her office" every chance he got, and that he was being raped? Don't be a fucking idiot.
Males in prison automagically revert to presentient animals constantly in heat. Wow.

Are you going to make arguments not based on your assumption that a man will always desire sex with a particular woman?
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SirNitram wrote:
havokeff wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
'Warden, the inmate you assigned to me has become violent.'
Ok so she can "call the cops on him". Everyone has that power over everyone else. It is nothing special that her job dictates.
The point is, she doesn't have influence over his stay in prison, his condition while there, his privileges while there. She isn't evaluating him. She isn't gauging his mental state. She isn't writing reports on his behavior. Her professional capacity of involvement with the inmate is zero.
Wow, you're blindingly stupid. Tell me, since you're writing in this thread entirely on chariactures of men: What would the reaction be if the CO's were told the poor, helpless secretary was raped? Do you think the prisoner would not suffer?
Again, so she can alert the authorities when he does something bad. She can't tell the CO's what to do to him. She can't extend his sentence. Put him in the hole. All she can do is make an accusation, just like she could against anyone else. How is that power over this inmate any more than it is power over the CO's or even the Warden.
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Yeah. Read what I wrote. I said there are times when you IGNORE the technicalities. I'm not saying they don't exist.
Do you honestly believe that this inmate wasn't the happiest guy in his cell block and that he didn't look forward to "cleaning her office" every chance he got, and that he was being raped? Don't be a fucking idiot.
Males in prison automagically revert to presentient animals constantly in heat. Wow.
:lol: Are you fucking kidding me with this statement? Yeah, because men never rape other men because they are exerting power or completely off their rocker horny. They don't descend into pack mentality with distinctions draw in race. They aren't looking for the first piece of tail they can find when they get out. Nosiree, men in prison are models of how a stand up citizen should act. :lol:
Are you going to make arguments not based on your assumption that a man will always desire sex with a particular woman?
Oh you're right, because after that first awful blowjob, he asked not to have to clean that office again. Oh wait. Well, certainly after the second or third horrendous raping he received, he must have asked to be reassigned on his duties... Oh wait!

And in case you didn't notice retard, I'm not making sweeping generalizations of men in this situation, (the above notwithstanding, as that is a separate argument) I'm speaking specifically about this situation.
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havokeff wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Wow, you're blindingly stupid. Tell me, since you're writing in this thread entirely on chariactures of men: What would the reaction be if the CO's were told the poor, helpless secretary was raped? Do you think the prisoner would not suffer?
Again, so she can alert the authorities when he does something bad. She can't tell the CO's what to do to him. She can't extend his sentence. Put him in the hole. All she can do is make an accusation, just like she could against anyone else. How is that power over this inmate any more than it is power over the CO's or even the Warden.
It isn't. I don't believe anyone argued it was more power than the COs. Of course, sensible discussion would realize that the CO's don't need to alter his sentence to inflict suffering.
Males in prison automagically revert to presentient animals constantly in heat. Wow.
:lol: Are you fucking kidding me with this statement? Yeah, because men never rape other men because they are exerting power or completely off their rocker horny. They don't descend into pack mentality with distinctions draw in race. They aren't looking for the first piece of tail they can find when they get out. Nosiree, men in prison are models of how a stand up citizen should act. :lol:
So your response to criticism of your use of generalization is to generalize further?
Are you going to make arguments not based on your assumption that a man will always desire sex with a particular woman?
Oh you're right, because after that first awful blowjob, he asked not to have to clean that office again. Oh wait. Well, certainly after the second or third horrendous raping he received, he must have asked to be reassigned on his duties... Oh wait!

And in case you didn't notice retard, I'm not making sweeping generalizations of men in this situation, (the above notwithstanding, as that is a separate argument) I'm speaking specifically about this situation.
See, the sad part is the answer here is blazingly obvious for anyone who understands that CO's have authority over inmates and what that entails as far as how coercian can work.

Yes, you are making sweeping generalizations. You made another just in this thread. Using a generalization to say something is impossible for an individual is one of those things idiots learn not to do, normally. Apparently, you're not mentally at that level.
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Re: Prison employee sentenced to prison for having sex with inma

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Edi wrote:If this had been a female prisoner and a male guard, nobody would be saying anything about the sex offender thing. As sexist as it may seem on the surface, in situations like this one of the most important questions is whether the person doing the penetration is in the position of power or not. In this regard, the situation is substantially no different from the female teachers being imprisoned and listed as sex offenders for having sex with underage male students.
I know I've been part of threads of this nature before, and the fallout from them makes me wary, so I'm going to ask for clarification here before jumping to conclusions: are you honestly saying that the genders involved would be determining factors, not only in cases involving adults only, but in the case of adults fucking children?
Not the only determining factors, but factors nonetheless. Judgment should be based on demonstrated harm, which is why for example certain cases of a female teacher having sex with a 13-year old boy ended with her getting sex offender status and a short prison sentence, whereas if it had been a male teacher and a female student with similar ages, he'd have ended in a pound-them-in-the-ass prison for years.

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Here, there is a difference in power, but both people are adults. Otherwise not a whole lot of difference.
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Re: Prison employee sentenced to prison for having sex with inma

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SirNitram wrote:Wow, you're blindingly stupid. Tell me, since you're writing in this thread entirely on chariactures of men: What would the reaction be if the CO's were told the poor, helpless secretary was raped? Do you think the prisoner would not suffer?
Again, so she can alert the authorities when he does something bad. She can't tell the CO's what to do to him. She can't extend his sentence. Put him in the hole. All she can do is make an accusation, just like she could against anyone else. How is that power over this inmate any more than it is power over the CO's or even the Warden.
It isn't. I don't believe anyone argued it was more power than the COs. Of course, sensible discussion would realize that the CO's don't need to alter his sentence to inflict suffering.
Ah, so the generalization that all COs are mean, power hungry, sadistic assholes is acceptable, but that male prison inmates would jump at the change to have sex with a woman, is not. Gotchya.
Males in prison automagically revert to presentient animals constantly in heat. Wow.
:lol: Are you fucking kidding me with this statement? Yeah, because men never rape other men because they are exerting power or completely off their rocker horny. They don't descend into pack mentality with distinctions draw in race. They aren't looking for the first piece of tail they can find when they get out. Nosiree, men in prison are models of how a stand up citizen should act. :lol:
So your response to criticism of your use of generalization is to generalize further?
No, my response is utter shock that you can say that and take yourself seriously while doing it.
Are you going to make arguments not based on your assumption that a man will always desire sex with a particular woman?
Oh you're right, because after that first awful blowjob, he asked not to have to clean that office again. Oh wait. Well, certainly after the second or third horrendous raping he received, he must have asked to be reassigned on his duties... Oh wait!

And in case you didn't notice retard, I'm not making sweeping generalizations of men in this situation, (the above notwithstanding, as that is a separate argument) I'm speaking specifically about this situation.
See, the sad part is the answer here is blazingly obvious for anyone who understands that CO's have authority over inmates and what that entails as far as how coercian can work.
Yes, you are making sweeping generalizations. You made another just in this thread. Using a generalization to say something is impossible for an individual is one of those things idiots learn not to do, normally. Apparently, you're not mentally at that level.
Yes, the answer is blazingly obvious. This inmate was in complete consent with having oral, and vaginal sex with this woman. All 10-20 times he could manage it. Not to mention the sweet insurance policy he picked up.

And so I'm clear, you are countering my "sweeping generalization" with the "sweeping generalization" that COs are susceptible to coercion? I just want to get these double standards down, so I know.
But yes, you are correct. COs do have authority over inmates. That has never been a point of contention. Secretaries do not. Again, anyone that thinks this is case of rape and this wasn't absolutely consensual has their letter of the law blinders, not just on, but wearing them like eye patches.
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Re: Prison employee sentenced to prison for having sex with inma

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Edi wrote:
Eleas wrote:Not the only determining factors, but factors nonetheless. Judgment should be based on demonstrated harm, which is why for example certain cases of a female teacher having sex with a 13-year old boy ended with her getting sex offender status and a short prison sentence, whereas if it had been a male teacher and a female student with similar ages, he'd have ended in a pound-them-in-the-ass prison for years.

Thread on student/teacher case

Here, there is a difference in power, but both people are adults. Otherwise not a whole lot of difference.
Allright. I fear my question was still unclear; I suppose I wanted to know if you were reporting on how it factually is, or offering your personal opinion on how it should be.
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