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My respect for this man couldn't possibly grow anymore then this immediate public admission of culpability. Do you EVER remember an American President immediately taking responsibility for any mistakes without being forced to?

All of the comments I've read so far after the story on this page have been overwhelming positive for him based on this very welcome trait that proves the man lacks the arrogance of so many in that position. One person summed it up very nicely:

"An American president screwed up!?!? That's hardly news. But an American president that screws up and doesn't hide behind an army of spin doctors and deniers, but chooses to tells the American people on national TV, immediately, that he screwed up is unbelievable. Admitting to a mistake is the first step to correcting it, something Bush never did. Obama may have just proven he's only human and can make mistakes, but he also just proved he's the best president even.elected."
Obama seeks to recover after 'screw up'

WASHINGTON (AFP) - President Barack Obama sought to recover Wednesday from his toughest day in office yet after admitting he "screwed up" in a storm over taxes that forced his pick to lead health reform to withdraw.

Obama's carefully staged push for support of his massive economic stimulus plan was overshadowed as both health czar nominee Tom Daschle and another nominee Nancy Killefer -- tapped to be government budget watchdog -- withdrew because of tax issues.

In a flurry of television interviews Obama had hoped to pile pressure on lawmakers debating the near 900-billion-dollar package in the Senate, but was forced to face down the ethics questions instead.

"I don't want to send a message to the American people that there are two sets of standards, one for powerful people, and one for ordinary folks who are working every day and paying their taxes," Obama said in an interview with CNN.

"I think this was a mistake. I think I screwed up."

Earlier, Obama said he accepted the decision by Daschle, one of his earliest supporters, with regret after the former Senate majority leader decided he could not escape a row over his payment of 128,000 dollars in back taxes plus some 12,000 dollars in interest.

The White House denied that it had any role in the decision, or that he was pushed to decline the post of secretary of health and human services and White House health czar.

Daschle's demise came hours after Obama's nominee for White House budget chief Killefer withdrew her nomination, reportedly over her failure to pay past unemployment taxes for household help.

Obama tried to keep the focus on the economy as he named Republican Senator Judd Gregg as his commerce secretary.

"Our economy is shrinking, unemployment rolls are growing, businesses and families can't get credit, and small businesses can't secure the loans they need to create jobs and get their products to market," Obama said.

"With the stakes this high, we cannot afford to get trapped in the same old partisan gridlock."

Democratic Senate leaders, meanwhile, promised to give Republican amendments a full airing as lawmakers took up debate in earnest on the stimulus bill.

Republicans complain they were shut out in the House of Representatives, and did not offer Obama a single vote when the package was passed last week.

Obama's political strategist David Axelrod was on Capitol Hill Tuesday to lobby senators, and raised the prospect of small changes to the bill.

"We want as many votes for this package as we can possibly get -- Republican, Democrat, but the key obviously is to pass it," he said.

"Obviously there are going to be nips and tucks along the way."

But Senate Republican minority leader Mitch McConnell dug in for much bigger changes to the legislation.

"Everybody agrees that there ought to be a stimulus package, the question is, how big and what do we spend it on?" he said.

"The House bill is an embarrassment, the Senate bill on the floor is not markedly better, our goal will be to pare it down and to target it right at the problem."

In an interview late Tuesday with ABC News, Obama backed off a "Buy American" provision in the bill that would bar the use of any stimulus funds to buy steel, iron or other manufactured goods for infrastructure construction projects from abroad.

"I think that would be a mistake right now. That is a potential source of trade wars that we can't afford at a time when trade is sinking all across the globe," Obama said.

"I think it would be a mistake though, at a time when worldwide trade is declining, for us to start sending a message that somehow we're just looking after ourselves and not concerned with world trade," he said in another interview with Fox News.

US trading partners in Europe and Canada reacted with fury to the clause, warning it could start a global round of tit-for-tat trade reprisals akin to the tariff wars of the 1930s Great Depression.

Some 20 mayors from major US cities, including Miami Mayor Manny Diaz and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigos are set to stop by the White House Wednesday "to discuss the urgent need" for the economic recovery package, the White House said.
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It is nice to hear but really what is he apologizing for here?

"I am sorry. I screwed up. I assumed that a former Senate leader was smart enough to properly pay taxes. In the future I shall make sure everyone I invite to my Administration has paid all his or her taxes and not kicked any puppy dogs recently."

I mean come on.
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Bilbo wrote:It is nice to hear but really what is he apologizing for here?

"I am sorry. I screwed up. I assumed that a former Senate leader was smart enough to properly pay taxes. In the future I shall make sure everyone I invite to my Administration has paid all his or her taxes and not kicked any puppy dogs recently."

I mean come on.
If he didn't apologize you'd get people inevitably screeching about how he was trying to quietly sweep it under the rug instead of admitting he made a mistake. There's enough noisy busy-body journalists looking for any excuse to slam the new administration as it is.
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Bilbo wrote:It is nice to hear but really what is he apologizing for here?

"I am sorry. I screwed up. I assumed that a former Senate leader was smart enough to properly pay taxes. In the future I shall make sure everyone I invite to my Administration has paid all his or her taxes and not kicked any puppy dogs recently."

I mean come on.
Have you slept through the last 8 years? The Bush Administration would fight tooth and nail to avoid admitting it had ever screwed up. Even when they admitted mistakes, they would always use some mealy-mouthed bullshit language, like "mistakes were made" (notice how this avoids personal responsibility). Has George W. Bush ever said something to the press as plain and honest as "I screwed up" in his entire 8 year presidency, never mind just a few weeks in?
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The Bush adminsitration seemed to be leaning towards a Presidential version of "Papal Infallibility" or something-- never any admission of mistakes until the very, very end when at best we got some hemming and hawing about how he'd do things a little differently (but still would have, say, gone to war).

This is refreshing to hear, and I respect Obama the more for it. I'm sure the Repugs will see it as a sign of weakness and attack, though.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Bilbo wrote:It is nice to hear but really what is he apologizing for here?

"I am sorry. I screwed up. I assumed that a former Senate leader was smart enough to properly pay taxes. In the future I shall make sure everyone I invite to my Administration has paid all his or her taxes and not kicked any puppy dogs recently."

I mean come on.
Have you slept through the last 8 years? The Bush Administration would fight tooth and nail to avoid admitting it had ever screwed up. Even when they admitted mistakes, they would always use some mealy-mouthed bullshit language, like "mistakes were made" (notice how this avoids personal responsibility). Has George W. Bush ever said something to the press as plain and honest as "I screwed up" in his entire 8 year presidency, never mind just a few weeks in?
You missed my point. I was not saying it was no big deal that he said he screwed up. What I meant was that this is not something he should have to say he is sorry about. This is not an Obama error. The mistake is with the people he has approached to join his administration that seem to have a problem with doing their taxes. Basically he was apologizing for their stupidity.

It does make you wonder how many people (Republican or Democrat) are sitting in Congress or other high level government positions who have "mistakes" on their taxes.
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I'd like to know why every single member of Congress is not audited every year. These people should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
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Bilbo wrote: You missed my point. I was not saying it was no big deal that he said he screwed up. What I meant was that this is not something he should have to say he is sorry about. This is not an Obama error. The mistake is with the people he has approached to join his administration that seem to have a problem with doing their taxes. Basically he was apologizing for their stupidity.
The public isn't going to see it like that, and enough reporters would happily spin it otherwise. You already have certain dildos doing exactly that.
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In any case, isn't the President finally responsible for his administration? I mean, not in the last 8 years. Clearly the person responsible for all the problems in the last administration was actually Sting, but in normal administrations, the buck stops at the President's desk. Obama should be taking responsibility, even if it wasn't something he did personally.
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He's responsible in the sense that he should have demanded more thorough vetting of his picks. Bilbo is subscribing to the very narrow view of responsibility that has been promoted by the Bush Administration. The Bush Administration essentially has a criminal defense lawyer's mindset when it comes to responsibility.
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ie, "Responsibility" = "Blame"
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Darth Wong wrote:He's responsible in the sense that he should have demanded more thorough vetting of his picks. Bilbo is subscribing to the very narrow view of responsibility that has been promoted by the Bush Administration. The Bush Administration essentially has a criminal defense lawyer's mindset when it comes to responsibility.
No. I just feel that people should be responsible for their own actions. Daschle screwed up not Obama. Now if it turned out that during the vetting they discovered the tax problems and still put him forward as a nomination thinking it was not a big deal then yes I do think an apoogy would be in order. But to make Obama responsible for the actions of a man who does not even yet work for him is going too far.

I do find it odd that of the three nominations with tax issues, the two with the smaller issues have withdrawn. While the Commerce guy whose "mistakes" were much larger is likely to go through.

And yes I completely agree with you Wong. Being in Congress should automatically mean you are audited every year. Though I am not sure this would catch Daschle. Wasnt his error made after he was out of office?
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My respect for President Obama had just gone up.
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Darth Wong wrote:I'd like to know why every single member of Congress is not audited every year. These people should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
Because someone would have to pay for that.
But to make Obama responsible for the actions of a man who does not even yet work for him is going too far.
Obama is responsible for the process by which candidates for his cabinet are examined for suitability, because it's his cabinet. That Daschle got as far as he did through the process indicates that that process failed, as it did not identify tax irregularities and reject him for them.
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Vendetta wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I'd like to know why every single member of Congress is not audited every year. These people should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
Because someone would have to pay for that.
I'm pretty sure that if you audited all of these fuckers every year, it would handily pay for itself.
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Vendetta wrote: Obama is responsible for the process by which candidates for his cabinet are examined for suitability, because it's his cabinet. That Daschle got as far as he did through the process indicates that that process failed, as it did not identify tax irregularities and reject him for them.
Then in that case I do not understand why his nomination for Treasury Secretary was kept. It would seem that missing Medicaid and Social Security payments for 6 years is worse than not paying taxes on a free limo and driver someone loaned you.
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Darth Wong wrote:I'd like to know why every single member of Congress is not audited every year. These people should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
If you did that you wouldn't have a Congress anymore since 90% of them would be in jail for tax fraud.
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Bilbo wrote:Then in that case I do not understand why his nomination for Treasury Secretary was kept. It would seem that missing Medicaid and Social Security payments for 6 years is worse than not paying taxes on a free limo and driver someone loaned you.
It was 3 years, and $25,000. Significantly less than the $140,000 some odd that Daschle owed. Without more specifics I'd suspect it involved Daschle's ability or willingness to pay them back. Given that Geithner paid it back immediately with interest on learning the discrepancy.
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aerius wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I'd like to know why every single member of Congress is not audited every year. These people should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
If you did that you wouldn't have a Congress anymore since 90% of them would be in jail for tax fraud.
And that would be a bad thing? The remaining 10% would be more trustworthy with major decisions anyway.
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General Zod wrote:
Bilbo wrote:Then in that case I do not understand why his nomination for Treasury Secretary was kept. It would seem that missing Medicaid and Social Security payments for 6 years is worse than not paying taxes on a free limo and driver someone loaned you.
It was 3 years, and $25,000. Significantly less than the $140,000 some odd that Daschle owed. Without more specifics I'd suspect it involved Daschle's ability or willingness to pay them back. Given that Geithner paid it back immediately with interest on learning the discrepancy.
Reading through various sources including Wiki it appears to be at least 4 years and mor than $25,000 though I cannot find a good source with a final total figure. To me the total is not the big deal. Timothy Geithner is going to head the Treasury department. One would think that someone who screws up their own taxes over multiple years is not the best choice for heading the agency that the IRS reports to.
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This is a good sign of a positive change in the Presidency. Back to the "buck stops here" idea. It reminds me of Schwarzenegger apologizing for trying to enact the changes he thought people really wanted in California and when his measures were voted down, saying "I was wrong. I am going to go back to the drawing board with this and my ideas and get it right." (paraphrase)
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Bilbo wrote:One would think that someone who screws up their own taxes over multiple years is not the best choice for heading the agency that the IRS reports to.
On the other hand, there's something to the phrase that it takes a thief to catch one ;)
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Bilbo wrote: Reading through various sources including Wiki it appears to be at least 4 years and mor than $25,000 though I cannot find a good source with a final total figure. To me the total is not the big deal. Timothy Geithner is going to head the Treasury department. One would think that someone who screws up their own taxes over multiple years is not the best choice for heading the agency that the IRS reports to.
I got these numbers off a WSJ article, a normally rather conservative source. At any rate it seems that the problem has something to do with repaying the taxes rather than owing the taxes themselves.
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Darth Wong wrote:I'd like to know why every single member of Congress is not audited every year. These people should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
Wouldn't the congress and the senate have to pass that law in the first place? Even if they will be arm twisted to pass it, I won't be surprised if the final version will contain loopholes large enough to fly a private jet through.
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Here's the headline from This Artilcle as the Daschle nomination's wheels started to come off:
Obama Stands By Daschle in Tax Flap
And here's the first paragraph and some of the article:
Fox News Article wrote:WASHINGTON -- President Obama "absolutely" stands by Tom Daschle's nomination to be secretary of health and human services even though the former Senate majority leader dodged paying more than $128,000 in taxes until he after he was nominated.(italics added)

The president gave the one-word answer Monday while in a meeting with Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas.
Before anyone bleats "but it's FAUX News RAR!" here's another article and here's another one.

Here's what we seem to know:
President Obama nominated Daschle for HHS in early December;
After his nomination, Daschle contacted his accountant - not for the first time;
After talking to his accountant, he paid ~$130,000 in back taxes;
With knowledge of Daschle's tax "issue," which only arose after the nomination, Obama still "absolutely" supported his nomination. All of this after the Geithner flap about...taxes.

Let me rephrase that last bit: President Obama continued to support Daschle despite him ponying up payments for three years of amended returns. It is rather...unusual...for individuals to correct tax returns for multiple years, yet President Obama did not see that as an issue.

President Obama was entirely correct in admitting his error. While his candor is refreshing, Daschle should have been quietly asked to withdraw once his tax issues were known to the Administration - and before it hit the newspapers.
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