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Pro-God buses for London streets

Three separate pro-God advert campaigns on the sides of London buses are set to hit city streets.

Buses adorned with the slogan "There definitely is a God" are from the Christian Party, while the Trinitarian Bible Society chose a Biblical verse.

The Russian Orthodox Church is also preparing bus adverts.

The adverts, which are unrelated, come a month after the British Humanist Association placed "no God" slogans on buses across England.

Those adverts, which read: "There's probably no God: now stop worrying and enjoy your life" prompted complaints from the group Christian Voice and from individuals.

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The Advertising Standards Authority ruled that they did not breach acceptable standards.

The Christian Party, led by George Hargreaves, raised enough money for their adverts to appear on 50 London bendy buses.

Their full advert reads: "There definitely is a God; so join the Christian Party and enjoy your life."

Mr Hargreaves said the ad campaign is being funded by donations to his party. He is planning to contest June's European Parliamentary elections.

The Trinitarian Bible Society's advert is not a direct response to the atheist campaign, said the group's assistant general secretary, David Larlham.

"While there is an element of being spurred on, this is not to be seen only as a response to the atheists," Mr Larlham said.

He added that the society has regular poster campaigns in train stations promoting Christianity and offering free Bibles.

The group, with a mandate to distribute the Bible internationally, has chosen the message from Psalm 53.1, which reads: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

The cost for their two-week campaign on 100 buses is £35,000.

The Russian Orthodox Church plans ads on 25 buses that read: "There IS a God, BELIEVE. Don't worry and enjoy your life."
He-he-he-he-he-he-heeeee, why are these people self-contradicting themselves and blatantly lying about not being spurred on by the athiest propaganda? :o :twisted:
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Incidentally, the Christian Party is making a claim that there IS a "god" as a basis for joining their party (they don't state which, but I think it's fair to guess who they refer to), which means they have evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt to an independent party that their claim is verifiable.

You can legally challenge that and they'd be up shit creek.
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Isn't Brown finally thinking about abolishing the tax exemptions for churches and charities?

He'd make his dad proud, I bet :lol:
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You can legally challenge that and they'd be up shit creek.
I am no solicitor so in more detail how would you go about that?

Would reporting them to the Advertising Standards Authority not result in a similar judgment as for the adverts of the British Humanist Association?

Could you successfully sue the Christian Party if you had joined them with the explicit aim of having grounds to sue them?

If you can't then this surely would also apply for the other groups (political parties can't be charities) to any complaint made to the Charity Commission.

At first glance I immediately thought they could be reported to Borough Trading Standards but they will only deal with complaints against commercial enterprises.

Even if we were successful and they were forced to take the adverts off the busses they would surely just use our heathen victory to help them rally their flocks.

Better to just come up with even better adverts in response.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Pinjar wrote: I am no solicitor so in more detail how would you go about that?

Would reporting them to the Advertising Standards Authority not result in a similar judgment as for the adverts of the British Humanist Association?
One is a statement of fact that should be backed up and could easily be grounds for false advertising, given they're declaring it an absolute. The other is an opinion.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Sorry. That wasn’t my intention.

Does anyone have any suggestions for better adverts for sides of busses or billboards?

EDIT: deleted "I would just like to do something rather than only discuss it." as that came off as obnoxious.
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Pinjar wrote:I am no solicitor so in more detail how would you go about that?

Would reporting them to the Advertising Standards Authority not result in a similar judgment as for the adverts of the British Humanist Association?
I think it would, not because it's true, but because it would be seen as "fair", even though with any non-religious equivalent it wouldn't fly.
Even if we were successful and they were forced to take the adverts off the busses they would surely just use our heathen victory to help them rally their flocks.
Yeah, but it'd still be funny.
Better to just come up with even better adverts in response.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
I'd suggest "Do you think gays and jews deserve eternal torture? Join the Christian Party." heheh. Oh, and this post is far from obnoxious, I think Zod was being a jerk for no reason. :)
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I'd suggest "Do you think gays and jews deserve eternal torture? Join the Christian Party." heheh. Oh, and this post is far from obnoxious, I think Zod was being a jerk for no reason. :)
I meant more the way it was written than what it was saying. Breaking things up into double-spaces for no reason across a paragraph or two is hard on the eyes.
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So the signs just advertise the Christian Party? Whatever, let them do what they want.
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How much do these things cost, anyway? I'm almost in favor of letting them throw their money away. It's funds they can't use for something more damaging.
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Mayabird wrote:How much do these things cost, anyway? I'm almost in favor of letting them throw their money away. It's funds they can't use for something more damaging.
From the article:
The cost for their two-week campaign on 100 buses is £35,000.
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Pinjar wrote:
Learn how to write posts in a non obnoxious fashion
Sorry. That wasn’t my intention.

Does anyone have any suggestions for better adverts for sides of busses or billboards?

EDIT: deleted "I would just like to do something rather than only discuss it." as that came off as obnoxious.
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There definitely is a God. Those billions of dollars we give to churches every year must be going to someone, right?
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CmdrWilkens wrote:
Mayabird wrote:How much do these things cost, anyway? I'm almost in favor of letting them throw their money away. It's funds they can't use for something more damaging.
From the article:
The cost for their two-week campaign on 100 buses is £35,000.
D'oh. Stupid me for missing that. :oops:

Anyway, that's a goodly amount of money there. How big is this Christian party and how much of a dent is it making in their coffers, versus how much (successful) advertising they'll get?
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Mayabird wrote:Anyway, that's a goodly amount of money there. How big is this Christian party and how much of a dent is it making in their coffers, versus how much (successful) advertising they'll get?
I study politics and economics at a British university and have never heard of them. Not very big in other words.

They're probably the kind of party that stands in 10 constituencies and gets 1000 votes between them.
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Mayabird wrote:Anyway, that's a goodly amount of money there. How big is this Christian party and how much of a dent is it making in their coffers, versus how much (successful) advertising they'll get?
I study politics and economics at a British university and have never heard of them. Not very big in other words.

They're probably the kind of party that stands in 10 constituencies and gets 1000 votes between them.
They are; they're also the sort of people who associate with Christian voice, they're basically a tiny party that cater to the Religious Right over here. They oppose all the usual christian objects of derision, want to over-tax "mind polluting" fiction, dislike Europe and want to change the Welsh flag because the dragon is Satanic.
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Pinjar wrote: Would reporting them to the Advertising Standards Authority not result in a similar judgment as for the adverts of the British Humanist Association?
The BHA's ad had one key word. Probably. That one word stops it from being a factual claim. The same way Carlsberg were able to advertise as "Probably the best lager in the world" and none of their competitors could do shit about it.
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I like to think that they would argue something along one of two lines

(1) If a complaint was made that they breached CAP Code clause 7.1 (Truthfulness - No marketing communication should mislead, or be likely to mislead, by inaccuracy, ambiguity, exaggeration, omission or otherwise.) "Our claim can not be dis-proven and as so many people believe it, it is de facto true".
(2) As a catch all "It is our opinion and we have a right to express that opinion as protected by The Human Rights Act 1998".
Bullshite of course. They wouldn't stand up in a court of law but for an advert?


Anyway - it doesn't seem to matter as apparently the Atheist Bus Campaign raised around £150,000 in its first nine days and for comparison the Alpha International posters campaign raised only a few thousand They may have the occasional rich backer but in general it seems their followers aren’t too eager to dip into their purses.

There are now Atheist Bus Campaign adverts in the underground. They take the form of quotes the text in multiple light colours.
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