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I was hoping I wouldn't have to post this, and that the whole thing would have blown over without any casualties, but looks like mother nature has it in for us:

49 dead in Australia's worst fires in decades
Towering flames razed an entire town in southeastern Australia and burned fleeing residents alive in their cars, authorities said Sunday as the death toll from the country's worst fire disaster in a quarter-century reached 49.

Officials said at least 640 homes were destroyed in Saturday's inferno when searing temperatures and wind blasts produced a firestorm that swept across a swath of the country's Victoria state, where all the deaths occurred.

"Hell in all its fury has visited the good people of Victoria in the last 24 hours," Prime Minister Kevin Rudd told reporters as he toured the fire zone. "It's an appalling tragedy for the nation."

Thousands of exhausted volunteer firefighters were still battling nine uncontrolled fires Sunday in Victoria, though conditions had eased considerably. Government officials said the army would be deployed to help out, and Rudd announced immediate emergency aid of 10 million Australian dollars ($7 million).

The tragedy echoed across Australia. Leaders in other states — most of which have been struck by their own fire disasters in the past — pledged to send money and volunteer firefighters.

Underscoring Australia's size and its often-harsh landscape, thousands of residents of tropical northern Queensland state watched the blanket news coverage of the fires from homes soaked by floodwaters after weeks of drenching storms.

In Victoria, witnesses described seeing trees exploding and skies raining ash on Saturday as temperatures of up 117 F (47 C) combined with blasting winds to create furnace-like conditions.

Police said they were hampered from reaching burned-out areas to confirm details of deaths and property loss. But Victoria Police Commissioner Christine Nixon confirmed deaths at a dozen sites. At least 18 people were hospitalized with burns and eight were in critical condition, hospital officials said.

Police said they believed groups of bodies had been found in cars in at least two places — suggesting families or groups of friends were engulfed in flames as they tried to flee.

In total, 49 deaths were confirmed by Sunday evening, said police spokeswoman Leanne Quentin, and officials were still working their way into burned-out reagions, meaning the toll could rise further.

The fires were so massive they were visible from space Saturday. NASA released satellite photographs showing a white cloud of smoke across southeastern Australia.

Deputy Commissioner Kieran Walshe said police suspected some of the fires were set deliberately. He predicted it would take days to get all the blazes under control.

Victoria Country Fire Authority official Stuart Ord told Sky News some 460 square miles (1,190 square kilometers) had been burned by early Sunday.

Marysville, a former gold rush town that was home to about 800 people, was almost completely wiped out, witnesses said. Video taken from the air showed street after street of burned-out homes in the town, about 80 miles (130 kilometers) north of Melbourne.

"Marysville is no more," Senior Constable Brian Cross told The Associated Press as he manned a checkpoint Sunday in nearby Healesville on a road leading into the town.

The 30 or so town residents who had not evacuated before Saturday's fire huddled on a sports field overnight to escape the flames and were brought out Sunday, the Australian Broadcasting Corp. reported.

No deaths were reported in Marysville, but police sealed off the town because they feared bodies would be found there.

Another of the hardest-hit districts was Kinglake, a normally sleepy region of farms and weekend-getaway spots, where at least a dozen people were reported killed. It was there that six bodies were found in one car.

Victoria Country Fire Service spokesman Hayden Lane said 640 houses had been confirmed destroyed — 550 in the Kinglake district — and that tally was expected to rise.

Residents reported the fire tearing through the region at high speed, burning everything before it.

Temperatures in the area dropped to around 77 F (25 C) on Sunday, but along with cooler conditions came wind changes that officials said could push fires in unpredictable directions.

Dozens of fires were also burning in New South Wales state, where temperatures remained high for the third consecutive day. Properties were not under immediate threat.

Police said they detained and questioned a man in connection with a blaze but released him without charge.

Wildfires are common during the Australian summer. Government research shows that about half of the roughly 60,000 fires each year are deliberately lit or suspicious. Lightning and people using machinery near dry brush are other causes.

Australia's deadliest fires were in 1983, when blazes killed 75 people and razed more than 3,000 homes in Victoria and South Australia.
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Nah but I live with a lot of country kids...one of them has already lost a house near Taralgon and last I heard (about 11 this morning) a front was bearing down on another's. A few also live in Bendigo, but I haven't heard anything from them yet.
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Not affecting me, nor do I know anyone directly affected. But depending on just how serious it gets I may be off-the-grid for a few days-weeks should work do an emergency team call-up (effectively where a lot of CLink staff from around Australia volunteer to go and do urgent assistance work in affected areas) - I missed Cyclone Larry and the NT Intervention so I might as well sign up for this one if it's offered.
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Man, I drove through the region on Wednesday, thinking the whole time that it was lucky that it hadn't gone up yet...
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Shit. The death toll has gone up to 84
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The death toll has officially topped Ash Wednesday. Crap.
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It's topped the 1933 toll, which just seems absurd in this day and age - back then the main firefighting tool were saplings, FFS. Most tragic thing seems to be that the majority of the deaths were people fleeing at the last minute; in the end the fire's always going to be quicker and it leaves you totally vulnerable to the radiant heat and smoke.

And another guy I lived with is from Marysville. It just looks...unbelievable. Whole fucking town is gone.
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thejester wrote:It's topped the 1933 toll, which just seems absurd in this day and age - back then the main firefighting tool were saplings, FFS. Most tragic thing seems to be that the majority of the deaths were people fleeing at the last minute; in the end the fire's always going to be quicker and it leaves you totally vulnerable to the radiant heat and smoke.
It never ceases to amaze me that year after year we're treated to people crying on the news about: "I can't believe how fast it moved." Sometimes, I disappoint myself and forget that people don't fucking learn.

Why can't they just take the advice given by the CFA in these cases and a) evacuate ASAP or b) if they are well prepared and stocked - only then remain behind to try and protect the home.
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Only three things amaze me after seeing bushfires first hand and in the news ...

1) that idiots keep lighting them mostly out of some misguided sense of being "famous" or even worse "heroic"

2) that every time the governments throw buckets of money at the problem ignoring simple fixes then 3 years later take the money back. If your not going to let them keep the money just tell us you dont give a damn.

3) Despite all the horror stories nothing organised is done to evacuate areas efficiently.

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Question: Would cloud seeding help mitigate this problem, or are there really no clouds to seed?
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...holy shit...

CFA just confirmed on ABC News Breakfast that there are 108 dead now and apparently one of the fires is threatening Loy Yang and the lines coming from there to the city.

This just keeps getting worse.
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ARSON!

Holy Crap, i hope you guys hang the fuckers!! :evil:
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Unfortunately we have no death sentence in Aus.

Though the Victorian police have a task force working on this and say they are charging the people they find with murder -and with 100+ counts and assuming time off for good behavior, they should be eligible for release in the year 3000 or so.
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weemadando wrote:...holy shit...

CFA just confirmed on ABC News Breakfast that there are 108 dead now and apparently one of the fires is threatening Loy Yang and the lines coming from there to the city.

This just keeps getting worse.
That's been under threat since at least Saturday, though, and the CFA is now saying that the weather has improved significantly so the threat level is down.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Question: Would cloud seeding help mitigate this problem, or are there really no clouds to seed?
The conditions that led to this were high temperatures across southern Australia combined with high wind. So sadly, no.
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Last news I received was that the death toll is expected to potentially be 170 or so.
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The_Saint wrote:Last news I received was that the death toll is expected to potentially be 170 or so.
I heard an update while driving home - apparently they're saying to expect ~250 now.

And can people stop using the word "firebug", it's far to innocuous a word for what this actually is - arson at best, "mass murder" (to quote Rudd) at worst.
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Death Toll rises continuously - 1 PM my time news had 116, and 2 PM news I just heard, had 130. A large number of firemen and Search&Rescue people are being sent from NSW (also some firemen from WA sent).
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Jesus, I hear people are being cooked alive in their cars trying to flee, people huddling in cellars or just burning in, livestock are running around on fire :(

I have to say I think the death penalty needs to make a comeback.
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Well, I volunteered for the response team at work today. They wanted 4 people just from our team (which is only about 10 strong) so they must be pulling out all the fucking stops for this one.

I get the feeling that our area of expertise (Carer's payments) will be in demand with hundreds of new burn victims requiring care from their families.
Jesus, I hear people are being cooked alive in their cars trying to flee, people huddling in cellars or just burning in, livestock are running around on fire :(

I have to say I think the death penalty needs to make a comeback.
How bad is it? So bad that the Hospital ran out of morphine and the trauma staff are saying that it's worse than the Bali Bombings.

It's kind of chilling really, ABC News Radio has been running a lot of coverage of it, including an overnight simulcast of the local ABC stations. Hearing people calling in to say shit like: "everything is gone and we're the only ones in our street to make it out alive" is fucked up.

And the emergency services are still expecting the tolls to rise as they're yet to have a chance to investigate and conduct searches in a lot of the affected areas.

At least critical infrastructure (read: power stations and coal mines) look to have been spared from it.

The thing that shits me the most about it all? Sheer fucking laziness and stupidity. They've already determined that at least one fire was sparked by an idiot throwing a cigarette out of a car window. We really can't help it if arsonists are going out to get their fix and set a fire - but for fucks sake, if you live in Australia you *know* never to throw a fucking cigarette or shit like that out of your car. But people still do, because fundamentally, they are too fucking lazy to stub it out and put it in the ashtray in their car. Those fucking people should be held just as liable as the deranged fuckers who deliberately have been setting some of these fires.
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I hear that they even ask people to go easy on Centre link, so that staff there can better dish out the government assistance that will be needed for the victims.
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Death toll at 166.

I heard a story earlier about a man who got his kids into the car, then ran back to the houseto get something... Whatever it was, it wasn't worth it, because he got back to the car to find it engulfed in flames. I feel physically weak in describing a parent's worst nightmare.
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One of our community on HPCA posted some intersting comments on this from the scene. I'll get his permission to cross-post, but until then, they can be found HERE
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weemadando wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that year after year we're treated to people crying on the news about: "I can't believe how fast it moved." Sometimes, I disappoint myself and forget that people don't fucking learn.
To be a little fair - not a lot of people have seen firestorms up close and lived to tell the tale - this is not an ordinary brushfire, it's a different sort of burning that sets up local weather conditions that help sustain and intensify the fire. Melted puddles of aluminum or other metals under burned out cars is a signature feature of firestorms - your average brushfire doesn't generate that level of heat. Firestorms move much faster than normal blazes, which move pretty fast in their own right. It doesn't surprise me to see such statements under the circumstances. If my information is correct Ash Wednesday was the last time Australia saw a real firestorm, whereas normal brushfires are a yearly occurrence. Of course, there are a lot of stupid people who get caught in fires every year, but this time around it really is faster than normal.
Why can't they just take the advice given by the CFA in these cases and a) evacuate ASAP or b) if they are well prepared and stocked - only then remain behind to try and protect the home.
Remaining behind in the conditions some of the areas affected are experiencing is not really practical. The odds of death are very high. Ideally, there should be mandatory evacuations but those tend to be logistical nightmares and someone always gets left behind or insists on remaining.

If you weren't sure what I meant by "puddles of metal", here's a picture that shows it pretty clearly where molten metal flowed then re-solidified:
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A garden hose to wet down the roof won't stop that kind of heat. I doubt it's a pure form of any type of metal, rather a mix of whatever was used in the vehicle so that could include aluminum, copper, lead (from the battery), and so on.
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