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Israel takes control of West Bank land for possible construction of 2,500 settlement homes

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Feb 16, 2009 15:44 EST

Plans to expand a West Bank settlement by up to 2,500 homes drew Palestinian condemnation Monday and presented an early test for President Barack Obama, whose Mideast envoy is well known for opposing such construction.

Israel opened the way for possible expansion of the Efrat settlement by taking control of a nearby West Bank hill of 423 acres. The rocky plot was recently designated state land and is part of a master plan that envisions the settlement growing from 9,000 to 30,000 residents, Efrat Mayor Oded Revivi said.

Israeli officials said any new construction would require several years more of planning and stages of approval.

The outgoing government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said it reserves the right to keep building in large West Bank settlement blocs that it wants to annex as part of a final peace deal with the Palestinians. Efrat is in one of those blocs.

The composition of Israel's next government is not clear yet, because last week's elections were inconclusive. However, right-wing parties are given a better chance to form a ruling coalition, with hard-line leader Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister.

Speaking to U.S. Jewish leaders Monday, the two contenders for leading the new Israeli government expressed their differences over the Palestinian issue.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, whose centrist Kadima party won 28 of the 120 seats in parliament, said Israel must withdraw from "parts of the Land of Israel," a reference to the West Bank, in a peace deal.

Netanyahu, whose hawkish Likud won 27 seats, said he does not want to govern Palestinians but insisted on Israeli control of borders, airspace and electronic communications.

Netanyahu supports settlement expansion and has derided peace talks with the Palestinians as a waste of time, saying he would focus instead on trying to improve the Palestinian economy. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has called Netanyahu's approach unacceptable, and his aides said recently that peace talks can resume only if settlement construction is halted.

"We oppose settlement activity in principle, and if the settlement activity doesn't stop, any meetings (with the Israelis) will be worthless," Abbas said Monday.

Settlement expansion is likely to create friction not only with the Palestinians, but with Obama, whose Mideast envoy, George Mitchell, has long pushed for a freeze on the expansion of Jewish settlements.

Still, settlements have grown steadily, including during the past year of U.S.-backed peace talks that ended without results.

Nearly 290,000 Israelis live in West Bank settlements today, or 95,000 more than in May 2001, when Mitchell led a U.S. fact-finding mission to the West Bank to find ways of ending several months of Israeli-Palestinian violence and resuming peace talks.

At the time, Mitchell called on Palestinian authorities to rein in militants involved in deadly bombings and shootings against Israelis, and he said Israel must freeze all settlement construction.

The newly designated state land, called "Eitam Hill" by settlers, is more than 2 kilometers (a mile) north of Efrat and just east of a cluster of Palestinian towns and villages, with biblical Bethlehem at the center.

Abdel Rahman al-Haj, a Palestinian plumber in Bethlehem, said that he owns 5.5 acres (2 hectares) between Efrat and Eitam Hill and that intruders with bulldozers had repeatedly tried to clear a dirt road across his land since last month, in an apparent attempt to create access to Eitam Hill. The dirt road was clearly visible during a visit Monday.

Al-Haj said he filed a complaint with the Israeli police and obtained a stop-work order from Israel's Civil Administration, the branch of the Israeli military that deals with West Bank land use. Civil Administration officials had no immediate comment on the case.

Revivi, the Efrat mayor, said he was unaware of bulldozers clearing al-Haj's land. "Everything is done in accordance with what the government is allowing us to do," he said.

However, Efrat municipal engineer Moshe Ben Elisha wrote in a recent edition of the settlement's newspaper, Efraton, that "efforts are currently under way to create continuity between Olive Hill (an area of Efrat) and Eitam Hill." He did not elaborate.

Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights group involved in the case, said Monday that over the years Israel's government has assigned almost all areas designated as state land to settlements. Yesh Din said that is a violation of international law, which requires an occupying power to act for the benefit of the local population.

"Declaring these huge amounts of land as `state land,' as done by the Civil Administration, is only for expanding the settlement and not for the local Palestinian population," Yesh Din said.

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Like seriously, what the fuck? Aren't they only undermining Fatah in the West Bank while strengthening groups like Hamas with the continued expansion of settlements?
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Like seriously, what the fuck is up with that thread title, dude?

*edit* This has always looked like a relatively simple thing to address: for every meter of expansion the Israelis propose to undertake, we hack, say, $100,000 off their military/etc aid funding.

Or just make the totality of the funding conditional upon no-further-settlement-expansion, period.

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Sorry, fixed title.
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If your goal is Lebensraum and you know that no one will stop you, why wouldn't you do it? They'll keep dumping their fucktarded squatters on Palestinian land until (a) they have it all or (b) someone makes them stop.
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Kanastrous wrote: Or just make the totality of the funding conditional upon no-further-settlement-expansion, period.

Tail's just whipping the dog around, here.
If I remember right, George HW Bush actually did that for a short period of time, which instantly set the Congress to howling and shrieking.
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Kanastrous wrote: Or just make the totality of the funding conditional upon no-further-settlement-expansion, period.

Tail's just whipping the dog around, here.
If I remember right, George HW Bush actually did that for a short period of time, which instantly set the Congress to howling and shrieking.
Source? I haven't heard of that.
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BTW, Death, explain something to me-- if Tzipi got 28 seats, and Bibi got 27 seats, why is all the "unity government" talk I hear going about giving Bibi the Prime Minister slot while Tzipi has to play second fiddle? Even if she got the majority just barely by a hair, shouldn't she be the top banana while Bibi gets the second slot, like Defense?

And, if she does get to be Prime Minister, what is the likelihood that she'll be able to pull out of Palestinian lands and make it stick?
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Coyote wrote:BTW, Death, explain something to me-- if Tzipi got 28 seats, and Bibi got 27 seats, why is all the "unity government" talk I hear going about giving Bibi the Prime Minister slot while Tzipi has to play second fiddle? Even if she got the majority just barely by a hair, shouldn't she be the top banana while Bibi gets the second slot, like Defense?
As you know, a government coalition (grouping of parties or single large party) needs a majority of 61 seats in the Knesset (out of 120).
Livni has 1 more seat, but the third largest party is the right wing nationalist "Israel Beyteno" under Avigdor Liberman with 15 votes, 4th largest is Avoda with only 13 seats, and the rest of the parties are the religious (And right wing) parties with 11 and 8 and 4 votes, the Arab parties, leaving only the left wing Meretz with 3 mandates/seats.
In other words, almost all the secondary/minority parties are right wing, along with everything in between (Avoda won't want to play second fiddle).
And, if she does get to be Prime Minister, what is the likelihood that she'll be able to pull out of Palestinian lands and make it stick?
She'd need strong support for that (which doesn't exist in the current state of affairs), and with the current situation and public opinion after every percieved withdrawal being met by rocket attacks and terrorism by Hammas? In my personal opinion - not going to happen without a lot of stick/pushing from Washington, a strong carrot as well, and some major international clamping down by International forces/groups on the Palestinians.
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DEATH wrote:As you know, a government coalition (grouping of parties or single large party) needs a majority of 61 seats in the Knesset (out of 120).
Livni has 1 more seat, but the third largest party is the right wing nationalist "Israel Beyteno" under Avigdor Liberman with 15 votes, 4th largest is Avoda with only 13 seats, and the rest of the parties are the religious (And right wing) parties with 11 and 8 and 4 votes, the Arab parties, leaving only the left wing Meretz with 3 mandates/seats.
In other words, almost all the secondary/minority parties are right wing, along with everything in between (Avoda won't want to play second fiddle).
Shinui and the Greens finally folded? How does Labor fit in anymore?
And, if she does get to be Prime Minister, what is the likelihood that she'll be able to pull out of Palestinian lands and make it stick?
She'd need strong support for that (which doesn't exist in the current state of affairs), and with the current situation and public opinion after every percieved withdrawal being met by rocket attacks and terrorism by Hammas? In my personal opinion - not going to happen without a lot of stick/pushing from Washington, a strong carrot as well, and some major international clamping down by International forces/groups on the Palestinians.
So it's true-- absolutely nothing will be done without a third party stepping in to force a resolution. I hope Obama has a magic trick up his sleeve, but more & more it'll probably have to involve peacekeepers.
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DEATH wrote:but the third largest party is the right wing nationalist "Yisrael Beiteinu" under Avigdor Liberman with 15 votes
You guys realize that the right-wing parties are going to get stronger the longer the "peace process" farce continues? In 1992; Labour was a decent strong party; now it's a dead duck. Likud is broken up between Kadima (Anchora) and the "core" Likud party; while Yisrael Beiteinu is coming up the back.

Eventually, Israel is going to get tired of all the bullshit, and that day is not going to be pretty.

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Coyote wrote:
DEATH wrote:As you know, a government coalition (grouping of parties or single large party) needs a majority of 61 seats in the Knesset (out of 120).
Livni has 1 more seat, but the third largest party is the right wing nationalist "Israel Beyteno" under Avigdor Liberman with 15 votes, 4th largest is Avoda with only 13 seats, and the rest of the parties are the religious (And right wing) parties with 11 and 8 and 4 votes, the Arab parties, leaving only the left wing Meretz with 3 mandates/seats.
In other words, almost all the secondary/minority parties are right wing, along with everything in between (Avoda won't want to play second fiddle).
Shinui and the Greens finally folded? How does Labor fit in anymore?
Shinui? Don't know em :P. The greens are a minority party that didn't even pass the minimum voting percentage. (Same ofr Meimad, which is a major pity, I almost voted for them rather than Meretz, so did most of my young, liberal idealistic, naive friends :P).
Labor is the 4th largest party, with only 13 mandates.
And, if she does get to be Prime Minister, what is the likelihood that she'll be able to pull out of Palestinian lands and make it stick?
She'd need strong support for that (which doesn't exist in the current state of affairs), and with the current situation and public opinion after every percieved withdrawal being met by rocket attacks and terrorism by Hammas? In my personal opinion - not going to happen without a lot of stick/pushing from Washington, a strong carrot as well, and some major international clamping down by International forces/groups on the Palestinians.

So it's true-- absolutely nothing will be done without a third party stepping in to force a resolution. I hope Obama has a magic trick up his sleeve, but more & more it'll probably have to involve peacekeepers.
Yup. A great solution (and which I would "Guess" would have been desired) would have been UN peacekeepers on the Gaza strip border.
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MKSheppard wrote:
DEATH wrote:but the third largest party is the right wing nationalist "Yisrael Beiteinu" under Avigdor Liberman with 15 votes
You guys realize that the right-wing parties are going to get stronger the longer the "peace process" farce continues? In 1992; Labour was a decent strong party; now it's a dead duck.
All of the left has been weakened by, well, having mud rammed up their collective noses repeatedly by the Palestinians and the terrorists constantly for the past decade.
Labour used to be "Mapai" - the workers party and had a permanent majority. Then the immigrants started voting differently and went for alternatives :P. (Bloody teaching them about different letters to vote for ;))
MKSheppard wrote: Disclaimer: Shep :luv: Avigdor Liberman. Keep that in mind. :wink:
You'd be more for the "National union" party I think, or the religious parties. They're more right wing :P. (Some are also Russian, not just "Yisrael Beiteinu")
MKSheppard wrote:but the third largest party is the right wing nationalist "Yisrael Beiteinu" under Avigdor Liberman with 15 votes
I've seen a variant of that proposed -- for every rocket that falls on Israel/attack by a palestinian group, a new settler house is constructed, and the land that house is built on is permanently off the table for a future Palestinian state.[/quote]
Huh. The one I hear people squawking over is usually just "for every rocket attack launched - destroy the house/village/apartment it was launched from".
Your proposal is even worse.
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Darn it; I was gonna reply to Bean and make a reference to his Blagojevich avatar and buying my way out of the thread split in the HOS thread; but he locked it :x

Oh well. :D
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MKSheppard wrote:Darn it; I was gonna reply to Bean and make a reference to his Blagojevich avatar and buying my way out of the thread split in the HOS thread; but he locked it :x

Oh well. :D
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Mr Bean wrote:I only sell Governorships and Moderators positions. Selling Pardon's, why that sir is beyond the pale :o
How much is a high level moderatorial position?
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What sort of people tend to live in the Isreali settlements that are on the "wrong" side of the demarcation border anyway? Is this where they send all the zionist nutjobs, or are they fairly mixed culturally like the rest of Isreal (excluding the obvious of arab-isrealis, who I guess probably don't live in the settlements)?

I wonder if there is a risk of these communities ending up at odds with the rest of Isreal culturally at some point in the future, since actions like this will prevent any effective peace proposal going ahead. If it ends up with it only really being just them still stopping a future peace process (perceived or otherwise) then I guess they might find themselves out on a long thin line with local hostiles all around.

I wouldn't consider a settlement house worth the bricks and mortar its made out of, not since the Gaza strip withdrawal showed what happens when Mother Isreal decides you're an expendable liability now and not an asset.
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I have seen quite a few of the settlement residents say that they had moved there strictly because they wanted/needed a house, and the cheapest housing available was in the settlement to which they moved. I think that's who you find in the nice San-Diego-County-looking red-tile roof settlements, as opposed to the lone-trailer-on-the-dusty-hilltop type settlement, which seems to be the preserve of the religious whack jobs.

A lot of those people were being interviewed while waiting for the movers to take their stuff back into Israel proper.
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frogcurry wrote:What sort of people tend to live in the Isreali settlements that are on the "wrong" side of the demarcation border anyway? Is this where they send all the zionist nutjobs, or are they fairly mixed culturally like the rest of Isreal (excluding the obvious of arab-isrealis, who I guess probably don't live in the settlements)?
Kanastrous wrote:I have seen quite a few of the settlement residents say that they had moved there strictly because they wanted/needed a house, and the cheapest housing available was in the settlement to which they moved. I think that's who you find in the nice San-Diego-County-looking red-tile roof settlements, as opposed to the lone-trailer-on-the-dusty-hilltop type settlement, which seems to be the preserve of the religious whack jobs.
A mix of both, depends on where you go. Parts of what you would call settlements (Ramot, Givat Ze-ev, and other places you've never heard off) are simply large neighborhoods in Jerusalem that 'happened' to be built over the green line. Normal people live there, it's cheaper and generally nicer. Same for quite a few of the Gush areas. But for few people like that there are the religious people who believe in the "Greater Israel" dream and settle there explictly in order to promote that. Efrat, Maale Edomim and areas around Hebron. Those really do fit under frogcurry's second part.
frogcurry wrote: I wonder if there is a risk of these communities ending up at odds with the rest of Isreal culturally at some point in the future, since actions like this will prevent any effective peace proposal going ahead. If it ends up with it only really being just them still stopping a future peace process (perceived or otherwise) then I guess they might find themselves out on a long thin line with local hostiles all around.
These communities are already at odds with the rest of Israel. That can be a good thing, Efrat is pretty much free of hooligans, and has very little crime. Politically though, it's unhealthy. You can see that from any newspaper that covers stuff relating to the IvP conflict. Settlers were the groups that said the words of civil war, they're the groups who did all the Hebron crap and throwing acid at police. Very mixed lot.
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Wasn't Israel closing down settlements until recently? :?
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They forcibly removed a couple (a few?) of the trailer-and-propane-tank hilltop outposts recently. But at the same time the Israelis are assuming control of more land upon which to expand some of the existing brick-and-mortar settlements.

Not a net gain, I think, politically speaking.
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All right, so if there is no two state solution, what happens when the Palestinians all demand to become Israeli citizens with voting rights and all?
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Pelranius wrote:All right, so if there is no two state solution, what happens when the Palestinians all demand to become Israeli citizens with voting rights and all?
Well, the two out of three is Jewish, one state and democratic. If they go with one state, they have to dump one of the other two.

The Palestineans probably won't demand to become citizens though. It just seems so out of character. After all, why would they want to join up?
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Not even Bush was keen on this sort of thing. The Israelis are only shooting themselves in the foot.
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Samuel wrote:
Pelranius wrote:All right, so if there is no two state solution, what happens when the Palestinians all demand to become Israeli citizens with voting rights and all?
Well, the two out of three is Jewish, one state and democratic. If they go with one state, they have to dump one of the other two.

The Palestineans probably won't demand to become citizens though. It just seems so out of character. After all, why would they want to join up?
If the Israelis keep fucking things up for themselves, there won't be any possible Palestinian state left and at the end, the Palestinians will eventually reason that they might as well just aim to have a say in who sits in the Knesset.
Turns out that a five way cross over between It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, the Ali G Show, Fargo, Idiocracy and Veep is a lot less funny when you're actually living in it.
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