It'll be interesting to see if they are let in to the country, after that Dutch MP had the door slammed in his face recently.Followers of the virulently anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church have threatened to picket a sixth form college in Basingstoke, Hampshire during a staging of The Laramie Project, a play about an American youth murdered because of his sexuality.
The church from Topeka, Kansas is mainly composed of relatives of the founder, pastor Fred Phelps, who style themselves "the most hated family in America".
Their core belief – that God will punish the West for its acceptance of homosexuality – has seen them protest at dozens of servicemen's funerals brandishing garish placards stating "God hates the USA" and "Thank God for dead soldiers".
Details of the church's first picket in Britain was posted on their website with the slogan "God Hates England; Your Queen Is A W----".
"Some of the best Bible preaching in the history of the world came out of that dark dismal land, but now it is full of all abominations," the notice read.
"God will shortly destroy the UK and the world, but not until they have got the plain, clear message so that they will be without excuse."
The target of Friday evening's demonstration will be the Central Studio arts venue at Queen Mary's College, where local gay group Freedom Youth is staging a small production of the The Laramie Project this week.
The play, which has roused the ire of Westboro followers in the past, tells the story of Matthew Shepard, a gay teenager tortured and murdered in small town America in 1998.
Shirley Phelps-Roper, a church spokeswoman, confirmed the plan but declined to say whether members would be flying over from the US or if the picket would be carried out by followers in Britain. The church has no scheduled pickets on the days immediately before or after the Basingstoke demonstration.
"It is the first actual picket. We have been preaching by so many means to the UK for years. The arm of the Lord our God is not shortened by oceans and things, all of which he created, and all of which he knew about when he considered these last hours of the very last days of all," Mrs Phelps-Roper said.
In a lengthy justification of the protest, she cited the recent case of 13-year-old Alfie Patten, who claims to have fathered a child with his 15-year-old girlfriend, as evidence of UK's moral decline.
"And then you can add to this pleasant little happy UK family moment that another 13-year-old boy has arisen to dispute paternity! Oh yea baby – you UK rebels truly have it groin [sic] on. You are like the doomed American rebels – just a big shameful mess," she said.
Central Studio confirmed that it was aware of the planned protest and said it was making preparations with the school. A Freedom Youth leader said he believed the chance of the church carrying through on its picket threat was very low, given the distance its followers would have to travel.
Maria Miller, Conservative MP for Basingstoke, said that she had contacted the Home Secretary to see what action the Government may be considering in relation to possible attempts by the Phelps family to enter the country.
She condemned the church's "highly inflammatory language and behaviour" and said the young people who had worked on the play would not be intimidated by threats.
"The most important thing is that a production that is trying to promote tolerance goes ahead and that's what I'm focusing on achieving," she said.
"There's no evidence that they will be coming along and I don't believe they have a base in the UK."
Ben Summerskill, chief executive of Stonewall, the gay right group, described the church's plan as "distressing".
"The Laramie Project is a very serious play about a young man who was beaten to death just because he was gay. To regard that as a cause for celebration will make a lot of people both gay and straight feel very uncomfortable," he said.
"I suspect that they won't be welcomed by the people of Basingstoke."
He added: "They have caused enormous distress by protesting outside the funerals of service personnel in the US and I hope they have no intention of trying anything similar in Britain."
But he warned that any attempt to ban Westboro church members from travelling to Britain would just give them the oxygen of publicity similar to the attention garnered by the right-wing Dutch MP Geert Wilders last week.
Members of Anonymous, the nebulous online community that has previously organised protests against the Church of Scientology, are alreading planning counter-demonstrations outside the college on Friday, posts on internet message boards indicate.
A spokeswoman for Hampshire Police said the force was aware of the planned picket.
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Ideally they'll find themselves stuck at the airport - they won't get to picket the play, but they'll still have spent several thousand dollars on airlines tickets that won't go into other activities. It's win-win!
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I think it's good for the rest of society that Westboro now begin to incite violence and murder of gays. They haven't done so directly, being very careful with skirting the law, but this is the first actual condemnation of a condemnation of murder of gays for being gay, which a skilled lawyer could use to argue that they are promoting the killing of gays, which is surely covered by a hate crime law somewhere.
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I'd have thought they would be banned from entering the UK and just have to turn around in the airport. Our government is making a habit of keeping people out who might incite racial or religious hatred by their actions here and I think this is pretty much a textbook example of it. Although the lack of a Lord threatening the government with an angry mob might make it a more low profile event.
If they do get through I’d imagine they would be breaking quite a few laws with their usual line of protest. The UK doesn’t have the 1st amendment to protect scum like this from prosecution and our anti hate laws are getting more and more pervasive.
I'm a bit concerned they claim to have UK followers however.
If they do get through I’d imagine they would be breaking quite a few laws with their usual line of protest. The UK doesn’t have the 1st amendment to protect scum like this from prosecution and our anti hate laws are getting more and more pervasive.
I'm a bit concerned they claim to have UK followers however.
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My understanding is that the US doesn't have much in the way of hate speech laws. Due to the First Amendment, I doubt that would fly in a US court.VT-16 wrote:I think it's good for the rest of society that Westboro now begin to incite violence and murder of gays. They haven't done so directly, being very careful with skirting the law, but this is the first actual condemnation of a condemnation of murder of gays for being gay, which a skilled lawyer could use to argue that they are promoting the killing of gays, which is surely covered by a hate crime law somewhere.
Though as mentioned above, if they get let in and then pull their usual shit they'll likely get nailed. You'd think they'd at least have the brains to stick to America, where they won't run afoul of the law by spewing their venom. Well, its not like fanatics are known for their intelligence, or even their skills at self-preservation.
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In the US, even outright advocacy of killing of a group isn't generally prohibited unless you incite a riot.VT-16 wrote:I think it's good for the rest of society that Westboro now begin to incite violence and murder of gays. They haven't done so directly, being very careful with skirting the law, but this is the first actual condemnation of a condemnation of murder of gays for being gay, which a skilled lawyer could use to argue that they are promoting the killing of gays, which is surely covered by a hate crime law somewhere.
IOW, I can print flyers and hold pickets saying 'Kill the Jews' or whatever and not be prosecuted.
It is illegal though to threaten a specific person (example: 'Kill the Jew insert name here').
The line between legal/illegal can be vague, but the Phelps's are very careful about not crossing that line.
But laws are different in the UK and perhaps they'll accidentally cross the line.
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There's a part of me that welcomes this.
Most Brits appear to believe that Islam is the only extremist religion in the world and view Christians as nice, fluffy, tolerant and morally superior beings.
It'll do them good to see that the bible can be interpreted just as foully as the Koran.
It'll be interesting to see the how the likes of the Daily Mail respond to any demonstration - especially in the light of their recent coverage of the nurse who was suspended.
Most Brits appear to believe that Islam is the only extremist religion in the world and view Christians as nice, fluffy, tolerant and morally superior beings.
It'll do them good to see that the bible can be interpreted just as foully as the Koran.
It'll be interesting to see the how the likes of the Daily Mail respond to any demonstration - especially in the light of their recent coverage of the nurse who was suspended.
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I'm glad for this, personally. On the one hand, they probably won't be allowed in much as Wilders wasn't, since they're even worse than Wilders. If they do get in, I think even the Daily Mail will be horrified by them due to the tabloid abrasiveness of the WBC. That'll prompt a response from the anglican church, and hopefully Dawkins or Hitchens will get more airtime and Christianity will fall a bit in the public opinion.
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To be fair, I wouldn't call the WBC an representative of "normal" Christianity. Even by the standards of American fundimentalists, aren't they pretty much on the extreme fringe?Zuul wrote:I'm glad for this, personally. On the one hand, they probably won't be allowed in much as Wilders wasn't, since they're even worse than Wilders. If they do get in, I think even the Daily Mail will be horrified by them due to the tabloid abrasiveness of the WBC. That'll prompt a response from the anglican church, and hopefully Dawkins or Hitchens will get more airtime and Christianity will fall a bit in the public opinion.
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Yes, but so what? They're right when it comes to the bible quotes, and they're a perfect example of why fundamentalism is bad for Christians too. Their methods are the only thing that really separates them, all the most awful parts of their theology are shared by their evangelical brethren, though lots of people over here don't realise that. There's a far right resentment of islam in the mainstream, and if the far right could be associated with these arseholes (and they can, if you read the BNP's manifesto, British fascists do usually appeal to authoritarian old religion, anti-gay, anti-pluralist), then more the better.The Romulan Republic wrote:To be fair, I wouldn't call the WBC an representative of "normal" Christianity. Even by the standards of American fundimentalists, aren't they pretty much on the extreme fringe?Zuul wrote:I'm glad for this, personally. On the one hand, they probably won't be allowed in much as Wilders wasn't, since they're even worse than Wilders. If they do get in, I think even the Daily Mail will be horrified by them due to the tabloid abrasiveness of the WBC. That'll prompt a response from the anglican church, and hopefully Dawkins or Hitchens will get more airtime and Christianity will fall a bit in the public opinion.
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OMG Obama's the ANTICHRIST!
Though I wonder how they'll handle Obama not being the Antichrist in four to eight years.
Note: Shirley Phelps-Roper is Fred Phelp's daughter and heir apparent. The old abusive asshole patriarch hasn't actually been out much the past few years (probably going senile) and she's been handling all the press, going after family members who escaped, running pickets, etc. When the old bastard dies she'll probably take over, since she's been doing that anyway, so no relief from them.Westboro Baptist Church justifies UK picket
This is the full text of the Telegraph's correspondence with the Westboro Baptist Church, about its plan to stage a picket in Britain for the first time. The church has threatened to demonstrate outside the staging of anti-homophobia play The Laramie Project at a school theatre in Basingstoke, Hampshire on Friday.
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1) Is this your first picket in the UK?
1. It is the first actual picket. We have been preaching by so many means to the UK for years. The arm of the Lord our God is not shortened by oceans and things, all of which, he created, and all of which he knew about when he considered these last hours of the very last days of all.
2) Are you flying across to Britain, or is the picket being carried out by members in Britain? If you are flying over, how many protesters are you expecting and when are you arriving?
2. Considering that your nation has tried in many ways, including with draconian laws to shut up the Word of God from OFF your landscape, and to make it a crime to plainly say what the STANDARDS of GOD are, (e.g. THOU SHALT NOT lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination or THOU SHALT NOT commit adultery, etc.) that I will not be telling any details of our business to get where we need to be.
3) What is your objection to The Laramie Project?
3. We don't object to it, we see it as a glorious preaching moment. It creates a PERFECT backdrop for us to help YOU connect the dots. From the least to the greatest of the people of the UK, including your lamenting and rebellious and disobedient Gordon Brown. You taught your children FOR GENERATIONS now that God is a big fat liar and that HIS standards are on the table to dispose of. You BROKE their moral compass.
The prophet said - WHAT WILL YE DO IN THE END THEREOF. That is to say for you rebels - WHAT will you do when you get to the end of this road of your filthy disobedient manner of life and find that you have incurred the wrath of God and you find that his promises to make your people to be ALTOGETHER WORTHLESS, GOOD FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! And what will you do when you all land in hell FOR EVER where the worm that eats on you NEVER dies and the fire is NEVER quenched and the smoke of your torment ascends up for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever - never ending. So we go to the place where the Laramie Project is playing and you look at us, then you look at the so-called "counter-picketers" and the young people that you have taught that they can live like the very devil himself and it is JUST FINE, because even though the Bible CLEARLY says that God HATES people and it is a perfect hatred - a determination to send the UNREPINENTANT to hell for ever.
So I say - you can look at the faces of each of these groups, and you see that these young people of WBC - as you already know, have no confusion and they have bright shining minds and they are happy and well adjusted and content, living sober, righteous and godly in this present world, while you are busy in GREAT lament over the fact that you have a 15-year-old girl having the baby of a 13-year-old boy (who was 12) when they embarked upon this glorious plan, because YOU brutes taught them that God is a liar. Now suddenly you see that they have NO standards! And then you can add to this pleasant little happy UK family moment that another 13-year-old boy has arisen to dispute paternity! Oh yea baby - you UK rebels truly have it goin on! You are like the Doomed american rebels - just a big shameful MESS!! I say we are dot connecters! THAT is our job! We use the Laramie Project to tell you unambiguously and unapologetically that your DUTY is to fear God and keep his commandments and that you are required to give the glory of all his judgments that he is executing RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE, TO HIM! The God Smacks are HIS WORK!
4) Why have you decided to widen your protests to Britain?
4. Here is the reason - from the mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ, to wit: Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Our God has worked upon the hearts of this little flock of slaughter, and he has, in his mercy permitted us to preach to the whole world! What a glorious and amazing sight that we should be so blessed! We are permitted to say with our beloved brother Paul, our faithful, message of TRUTH in this dark adulterous and sinful generation of rebels against God with NO cause. You KNOW his word - you had great light in your land in the 1600s with the vast array of John's (Knox, Bunyan, Brown, Gill, Trapp, etc., etc.) and you have Bible's everywhere! But your goofy queen and her adulterous whore of a son - YIKES put their hand and you all put your hands to mischief at every turn.
The antichrist is sitting now, in the Whitehouse, the time is SO SHORT - the Lord is coming and this generation is DOOMED! You see the destruction already before your eyes! As filthy america goes down, and The Beast Obama, That Son of Perdition, that Man of Sin gets his power grab on, you will all give over the power of your government to him and when you see that phony façade fall away, and he gets his war on and all your fawning over him turns to great fear, then you can remember these words.
In that hour, if you or any other soul in the UK has a heart to know your God, and you understand that the end is near, you can yet put away your idols, your false gods and your FILTHY manner of life and you can serve the Lord your God in truth! THAT is your only hope.
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What the hell? What's the big deal about some school in Basingstoke? My high school put on that play two years ago, and I never heard of any protests then. Why'd they jump all over this one?

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They need the publicity now.Scottish Ninja wrote:What the hell? What's the big deal about some school in Basingstoke? My high school put on that play two years ago, and I never heard of any protests then. Why'd they jump all over this one?
With the Phelps's, its just as much about publicity for fundraising as it is about their whackjob religion.
Off topic, at work we used to use Lansing-Bagnall VNA lift trucks that were made in 'Basingstoke-on-Trent, England'.
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Nope Basingstoke-On-Trent is in the North.
Basingstoke, Hampshire is about 10 miles from me. In the South of the UK.
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Good. We have enough twats as it is.Anti-gay preachers banned from UK
A father and daughter from a US church which has called for homosexuals to be killed, have been banned from entering the UK by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.
Fred Phelps and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper from the Westboro Baptist Church had urged protests against a play being put on in Hampshire.
Queen Mary's College in Basingstoke is staging The Laramie Project, a play about a man killed for being gay.
The UK Border Agency said it opposed "extremism in all its forms".
A spokesman added: "Both these individuals have engaged in unacceptable behaviour by inciting hatred against a number of communities.
'Punished by God'
"The government has made it clear it opposes extremism in all its forms.
"We will continue to stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country.
"The exclusions policy is targeted at all those who seek to stir up tension and provoke others to violence regardless of their origins and beliefs."
The Westboro church's website advertised the picket which was set to take place on Friday, proclaiming: "In merry old England they plan to further enrage the living God by putting on the farce known commonly as The Laramie Project.
"We will picket them, and see if they actually believe those lies they tell about how tolerant and accepting Brits are."
Hampshire police said they were aware of the planned protest and officers were monitoring the situation.
The church was unavailable for comment on whether it expected UK-based members to carry out a protest at the college.
Members of the group - based in Topeka, Kansas - have denounced homosexuality for years and have in the past targeted the funerals of Aids victims.
In 2007, the church was told to pay $10.9m (£5.2m) after its members cheered a soldier's death as "punishment" for US tolerance of homosexuality.
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These arseholes appeared on video on one of the UK morning talk shows some time ago, Jeremy Kyle or some trash like that. I had head of these twats before that through the internet, mainly SD.net and SB of course, but to see their venom on screen was something else. Even the host was totally shocked.
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Hah, that episode was awful/great, it's on youtube. It's annoying how the british press only manage to get incredulity as a response to them. Even that fox news harpy managed to get some proper righteous indignation and shouted them down. If they're guests, they can be shouted down (or muted) and they've got the choice to accept they can't dominate conversation or leave. A better one is Louis Theroux's documentary on them, as is the "Keith Allen will burn in hell" one.Jade Falcon wrote:These arseholes appeared on video on one of the UK morning talk shows some time ago, Jeremy Kyle or some trash like that. I had head of these twats before that through the internet, mainly SD.net and SB of course, but to see their venom on screen was something else. Even the host was totally shocked.
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Yes, they are very much on the fringe. But they illustrate what is wrong with organized religion, in this case Fundamentalism. They follow an illogical belief and morality system to its logical conclusion.The Romulan Republic wrote:To be fair, I wouldn't call the WBC an representative of "normal" Christianity. Even by the standards of American fundimentalists, aren't they pretty much on the extreme fringe?Zuul wrote:I'm glad for this, personally. On the one hand, they probably won't be allowed in much as Wilders wasn't, since they're even worse than Wilders. If they do get in, I think even the Daily Mail will be horrified by them due to the tabloid abrasiveness of the WBC. That'll prompt a response from the anglican church, and hopefully Dawkins or Hitchens will get more airtime and Christianity will fall a bit in the public opinion.
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At least some of the WBC's stuff is of Phelps's own invention though - I'm pretty sure that the Bible's version of Judgement Day doesn't include all "homosexual enablers" (to avoid using WBC's more offensive term) being put on trial before God, with the WBC members being called forth as expert witnesses to sentence 99% of humanity to eternal damnation.
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I bet that's a big part of this sect's appeal to its loser-asshole members: some day they'll get to sit in judgment over all those fancy-pants types who makes more than they do, go further than they do, enjoy more power than they do, and don't subscribe to the same crazy-ass-stoopid shit that they do.
Even better than just sitting there at the Right Hand and watching from a safe distance; these assholes look forward to getting to participate in the judgment.
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The thing I cannot figure out is that was not Phelps a strong defender of minority rights?
This seems to be an extremely strange positional reverse and if he is fairly smart, he has to realize that he is likely doing more harm to the anti-gay movement than ever helping it.
This seems to be an extremely strange positional reverse and if he is fairly smart, he has to realize that he is likely doing more harm to the anti-gay movement than ever helping it.
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Yay free speech...wautd wrote:In related news, Australians Deserve to Die in Victoria Fires
I'd say, let them come but give them a slight detour to a remote airport in Australia
I've been waiting for them to hurry up and do us but it looks like the domain godhatesnewzealand.com has been scalped.


Re: Here come the gits: Westboro Baptists head to the UK
Ahh but you're not playing the same game he is. You imagine his aim to be marginalisation of gay people so that they are no longer able to play a part in society - a carefully contructed hate campaign. He is playing everything on the assumption that a big ass God is going to show up and trump everyone, literally everyone, who is not in his cult.Kitsune wrote:The thing I cannot figure out is that was not Phelps a strong defender of minority rights?
This seems to be an extremely strange positional reverse and if he is fairly smart, he has to realize that he is likely doing more harm to the anti-gay movement than ever helping it.
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I wrote this:The British Avengers fanfiction
"Yeah, funny how that works - you giving hungry people food they vote for you. You give homeless people shelter they vote for you. You give the unemployed a job they vote for you.
Maybe if the conservative ideology put a roof overhead, food on the table, and employed the downtrodden the poor folk would be all for it, too". - Broomstick
EBC - "What? What?" "Tally Ho!" Division
I wrote this:The British Avengers fanfiction
"Yeah, funny how that works - you giving hungry people food they vote for you. You give homeless people shelter they vote for you. You give the unemployed a job they vote for you.
Maybe if the conservative ideology put a roof overhead, food on the table, and employed the downtrodden the poor folk would be all for it, too". - Broomstick
Re: Here come the gits: Westboro Baptists head to the UK
I take back what I stated earlier.....I was more carefully reading a background of him and he seems to have always have had a dangerous spark about him. His education is also not one to lead me towards a more liberated view of life. His help of minorities would seem to be an anomaly compared to his other actions.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)