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Pirates get ransom, free the Faina

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Ukrainian crew back home after pirates free ship

By MARIA DANILOVA – Feb 13, 2009

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Twenty tired, joyful sailors stepped off a plane into the arms of tearful wives and loved ones Friday after months in the hands of Somali pirates who hijacked their ship and its cargo of heavy weaponry.

The celebration at Kiev's airport ended a long and frightening ordeal for the surviving crew of the MV Faina — 17 Ukrainians, two Russians and a Latvian — and a nail-biting wait for their relatives back home. Pirates seized the Faina off the Horn of Africa on Sept. 25 and released it last week, speeding off in skiffs with a $3.2 million ransom dropped to the deck by parachute.

"We wanted to live, and we survived," said crew member Olexandr Prisukha, 44, as he left Boryspil Airport's VIP terminal after embracing his wife, Olena, 41. "We're grateful to everyone who took part in our rescue."

Like most of the sailors, he was tanned but tired and looked frail in a camouflage-patterned coat.

"Everybody I wanted to see is right here," said Pavel Blinov, gripping his wife's hand.

For Prisukha, relief at his release mixed with anger that the arms-laden ship was sent to ply dangerous waters with no escort and no means of protection against pirates.

"It is shameful that we had nothing to defend ourselves with," he said.

Prisukha said the pirates treated their captives roughly for the first month or so.

"They had this idea: 'We're bored, we want to have fun, and the crew is our fun,'" he said.

But the pirates eased up as time passed and told the sailors they were being treated more gently than other captives. He said one told him the pirates "'usually beat up Turks and Greeks.'"

"But they didn't have this attitude toward us; they got sick and we treated them," he said.

President Viktor Yushchenko joined family members who greeted the sailors, but many relatives have accused him of ignoring their plight during the ordeal.

The Faina's Russian captain died of a suspected heart attack shortly after the hijacking. Prisukha said the crew were very grateful for the professional conduct of acting captain Viktor Nikolsky, also Russian.

Nikolsky sought to lower the ransom demands by "explaining to the pirates that the cargo is not new, the tanks are old," Priushka said.

At the airport, Nikolsky said that as the ordeal dragged on, he and the rest of the crew sometimes lost hope and feared for their lives.

He spoke English with the pirates and also learned some Somali phrases, including: "I will be happy when the ship puts out to sea."

"It was scary," said another crewman, Olexiy Kharkalup. "Fear is only human."

The seizure of the Faina raised fears that its cargo of 33 T-72 tanks and other weapons could fall into the hands of pirates, terrorists or armed factions in failed state of Somalia. U.S. Navy vessels quickly surrounded the Faina to make sure the pirates did not try to unload the weapons, and a stepped-up international campaign against piracy has brought ships from nations including Russia, China, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and South Korea to the area.

The nature of the cargo also raised questions about its destination. Ukrainian and Kenyan officials, as well as the ship's owner, say the cargo belongs to Kenya and have vehemently denied speculation it was destined for southern Sudan, something the autonomous region has also denied.

Waiting nervously for the plane from Kenya to land and bring back her husband, Tetyana Pylypenko, said about 15 of the sailors were kept crammed in a single small room most of the time and occasionally allowed to walk on the deck outside.

"All that matters now is that they are alive and they are coming home," said Pylypenko, whose husband Oleh, 41, was mechanic on the ship. She had last seen him seven months ago, before the ship sailed from Odessa on the Black Sea.

She said her husband has been a sailor since he was 17 and she is certain he will remain one.

"I know he will return to the sea, there is no point in arguing," she said.
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So much for our hopes of hot Spetsnaz action freeing the crew. :x

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I do not understand why we continue to allow this to be a problem. :wtf:
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Simple, because we demand the rule of law be followed by governments in places with no laws, no government and which never entered the 20th century, let alone the 21st. Then we turn right around and let corporations blatantly fund terrorism because it’s easier then deciding which laws to break and risk you know, hurting someone, or even worse gaining BAD PUBLICITY!!!!! This is what happens when you consider the letter of the law more important then the intent of having a legal system.

Even 60 years ago, the first couple foreign warships to have gotten word of this would have solved the entire Somalia pirate problem in a week. By the time anyone heard of it, it would have been resolved, and certainly would not have spiraled to the depths of insanity it now has.
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Any chance shipping companies will bring back the Q-ship?

Might be an interesting idea.
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DrMckay wrote:Any chance shipping companies will bring back the Q-ship?

Might be an interesting idea.
I think they are so spineless that they would rather pay ransoms than pay for a Q-ship.
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So much for our hopes of hot Spetsnaz action freeing the crew. :x
While I would have liked the Spatnez to kick the ass of the pirates in question and prevent an arms shipment from getting on their hands, there is the issue of the innocent sailors who did nothing but tried to do their jobs.
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So much for our hopes of hot Spetsnaz action freeing the crew. :x
While I would have liked the Spatnez to kick the ass of the pirates in question and prevent an arms shipment from getting on their hands, there is the issue of the innocent sailors who did nothing but tried to do their jobs.
That's not how it works. WHich is why, even when terrorists hold plane passengers hostage, they still send in special forces to take down the terrorists. That's the sort of attitude that will ensure that piracy remains rewarding and fruitful and endanger MORE lives in the future.
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That's not how it works. WHich is why, even when terrorists hold plane passengers hostage, they still send in special forces to take down the hostages. That's the sort of attitude that will ensure that piracy remains rewarding and fruitful.
Yes, however special forces are always the last resort. Negotiation is always, always the first step with dealing with terrorists, even if its just to bring advantage to the commandos.

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The seizure of the Faina raised fears that its cargo of 33 T-72 tanks and other weapons could fall into the hands of pirates, terrorists or armed factions in failed state of Somalia. U.S. Navy vessels quickly surrounded the Faina to make sure the pirates did not try to unload the weapons, and a stepped-up international campaign against piracy has brought ships from nations including Russia, China, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and South Korea to the area.
So its not like the authorities ignored the whole issue.
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Zixinus wrote:Yes, however special forces are always the last resort. Negotiation is always, always the first step with dealing with terrorists, even if its just to bring advantage to the commandos.
Negotiation at what cost? Encouraging these people to go scot free? This wasn't really a win-win situation, more like win-lose with us losing a more than ten million bucks in exchange for more pillaging.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
DrMckay wrote:Any chance shipping companies will bring back the Q-ship?

Might be an interesting idea.
I think they are so spineless that they would rather pay ransoms than pay for a Q-ship.
It had nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that the shipping companies are aware that, like with muggers, the best thing to do is just cooperate with the pirates.
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Furlong wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
DrMckay wrote:Any chance shipping companies will bring back the Q-ship?

Might be an interesting idea.
I think they are so spineless that they would rather pay ransoms than pay for a Q-ship.
It had nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that the shipping companies are aware that, like with muggers, the cheapest thing to do is just cooperate with the pirates.
Fixed for you. It has been discussed a few times on this board since the Faina has been captured, that currently the it's cheaper for the shipping companies to pay the ransom to the pirates, than either asking for navy help* or put armed guards to the ships (which opens up a great can of worms).

The farthest some companies went is to change their routes to avoid the somalian shore.

EDIT: *which could damage the ship and/or its cargo
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DrMckay wrote:Any chance shipping companies will bring back the Q-ship?

Might be an interesting idea.
Considering we aren't allowed to even have a fucking potato gun aboard ship, I'd say less than zero
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Less bad, as the islamists took great care to eliminate the bandits and various warlords in the region.
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There is only one sort of payment for piracy...

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Isn't this the kinda thing they could use organisations like Blackwater for?
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Blackwater has already deployed a ship to the region AFAIK.
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Blackwater has ships? Seriously? Do they have a letter of marque?
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Apparently, the answer is yes.

Or at least they will have one, by the time they actually start operations.
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Okay. So who's paying them? They're mercs; I doubt they're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. And the shipping companies have shown no interest in having the Navy undertake anti-piracy operations at no direct cost to them, so I doubt they'd have an interest in paying Blackwater to do it.
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Rogue 9 wrote:Okay. So who's paying them? They're mercs; I doubt they're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. And the shipping companies have shown no interest in having the Navy undertake anti-piracy operations at no direct cost to them, so I doubt they'd have an interest in paying Blackwater to do it.
Do shipping companies even want someone attacking the pirates?
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Stargate Nerd wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Okay. So who's paying them? They're mercs; I doubt they're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. And the shipping companies have shown no interest in having the Navy undertake anti-piracy operations at no direct cost to them, so I doubt they'd have an interest in paying Blackwater to do it.
Do shipping companies even want someone attacking the pirates?
No they don't. Which is why I say they are a bunch of spineless morons. But hey, seems like they would rather pay hefty insurance premiums and pay ransoms than to deal with the problem permanently.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
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Rogue 9 wrote:Okay. So who's paying them? They're mercs; I doubt they're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. And the shipping companies have shown no interest in having the Navy undertake anti-piracy operations at no direct cost to them, so I doubt they'd have an interest in paying Blackwater to do it.
Do shipping companies even want someone attacking the pirates?
No they don't. Which is why I say they are a bunch of spineless morons. But hey, seems like they would rather pay hefty insurance premiums and pay ransoms than to deal with the problem permanently.
Yes, deal with the problem permanently and in the process risk creating a whole new fucking world of problems as suddenly every gov't with an agenda starts handing out letters of marque to various groups on their own soil and suddenly every single shipping lane in the world becomes a tollway patrolled by pirates masquerading as PMCs.
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weemadando wrote:Yes, deal with the problem permanently and in the process risk creating a whole new fucking world of problems as suddenly every gov't with an agenda starts handing out letters of marque to various groups on their own soil and suddenly every single shipping lane in the world becomes a tollway patrolled by pirates masquerading as PMCs.
You mean like Proxy wars were ever out of fashion in the world? Please. It's not much more different than Iran actively funding and suppling Hamas or Hezbollah.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
weemadando wrote:Yes, deal with the problem permanently and in the process risk creating a whole new fucking world of problems as suddenly every gov't with an agenda starts handing out letters of marque to various groups on their own soil and suddenly every single shipping lane in the world becomes a tollway patrolled by pirates masquerading as PMCs.
You mean like Proxy wars were ever out of fashion in the world? Please. It's not much more different than Iran actively funding and suppling Hamas or Hezbollah.
Of course they haven't but that isn't the goddamn point. Proxy wars tend to be in shithole countries with minimal impacts on international trade. But last I check Iran wasn't also funding a proxy Navy to extort tolls on it's behalf in the Straits of Hormuz. Or China doing the same in the Straits of Malacca.

It's a dangerous fucking path to walk down. Because like it or not, we are reliant on sea-lanes to keep economies rolling and the moment we have event a hint of a return to privateering then we had better damn well hope that every country is as magnanimous and fair as your own.
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