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The collapse of manufacturing

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$0.00, not counting fuel and handling: that is the cheapest quote right now if you want to ship a container from southern China to Europe. Back in the summer of 2007 the shipper would have charged $1,400. Half-empty freighters are just one sign of a worldwide collapse in manufacturing. In Germany December’s machine-tool orders were 40% lower than a year earlier. Half of China’s 9,000 or so toy exporters have gone bust. Taiwan’s shipments of notebook computers fell by a third in the month of January. The number of cars being assembled in America was 60% below January 2008.

The destructive global power of the financial crisis became clear last year. The immensity of the manufacturing crisis is still sinking in, largely because it is seen in national terms—indeed, often nationalistic ones. In fact manufacturing is also caught up in a global whirlwind.


Industrial production fell in the latest three months by 3.6% and 4.4% respectively in America and Britain (equivalent to annual declines of 13.8% and 16.4%). Some locals blame that on Wall Street and the City. But the collapse is much worse in countries more dependent on manufacturing exports, which have come to rely on consumers in debtor countries. Germany’s industrial production in the fourth quarter fell by 6.8%; Taiwan’s by 21.7%; Japan’s by 12%—which helps to explain why GDP is falling even faster there than it did in the early 1990s (see article). Industrial production is volatile, but the world has not seen a contraction like this since the first oil shock in the 1970s—and even that was not so widespread. Industry is collapsing in eastern Europe, as it is in Brazil, Malaysia and Turkey. Thousands of factories in southern China are now abandoned. Their workers went home to the countryside for the new year in January. Millions never came back (see article).

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Having bailed out the financial system, governments are now being called on to save industry, too. Next to scheming bankers, factory workers look positively deserving. Manufacturing is still a big employer and it tends to be a very visible one, concentrated in places like Detroit, Stuttgart and Guangzhou. The failure of a famous manufacturer like General Motors (GM) would be a severe blow to people’s faith in their own prospects when a lack of confidence is already dragging down the economy. So surely it is right to give industry special support?

Despite manufacturing’s woes, the answer is no. There are no painless choices, but industrial aid suffers from two big drawbacks. One is that government programmes, which are slow to design and amend, are too cumbersome to deal with the varied, constantly changing difficulties of the world’s manufacturing industries. Part of the problem has been a drying-up of trade finance. Nobody knows how long that will last. Another part has come as firms have run down their inventories (in China some of these were stockpiles amassed before the Beijing Olympics). The inventory effect should be temporary, but, again, nobody knows how big or lasting it will be.

The other drawback is that sectoral aid does not address the underlying cause of the crisis—a fall in demand, not just for manufactured goods, but for everything. Because there is too much capacity (far too much in the car industry), some businesses must close however much aid the government pumps in. How can governments know which firms to save or the “right” size of any industry? That is for consumers to decide. Giving money to the industries with the loudest voices and cleverest lobbyists would be unjust and wasteful. Shifting demand to the fortunate sector that has won aid from the unfortunate one that has not will only exacerbate the upheaval. One country’s preference for a given industry risks provoking a protectionist backlash abroad and will slow the long-run growth rate at home by locking up resources in inefficient firms.
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Some say that manufacturing is special, because the rest of the economy depends on it. In fact, the economy is more like a network in which everything is connected to everything else, and in which every producer is also a consumer. The important distinction is not between manufacturing and services, but between productive and unproductive jobs.

Some manufacturers accept that, but proceed immediately to another argument: that the current crisis is needlessly endangering productive, highly skilled manufacturing jobs. Nowadays each link in the supply chain depends on all the others. Carmakers cite GM’s new Camaro, threatened after a firm that makes moulded-plastic parts went bankrupt. The car industry argues that the loss of GM itself would permanently wreck the North American supply chain (see article). Aid, they say, can save good firms to fight another day.

Although some supply chains have choke points, that is a weak general argument for sectoral aid. As a rule, suppliers with several customers, and customers with several suppliers, should be more resilient than if they were a dependent captive of a large group. The evidence from China is that today’s lack of demand creates the spare capacity that allows customers to find a new supplier quickly if theirs goes out of business. When that is hard, because a parts supplier is highly specialised, say, good management is likely to be more effective than state aid. The best firms monitor their vital suppliers closely and buy parts from more than one source, even if it costs money. In the extreme, firms can support vulnerable suppliers by helping them raise cash or by investing in them.

If sectoral aid is wasteful, why then save the banking system? Not for the sake of the bankers, certainly; nor because state aid will create an efficient financial industry. Even flawed bank rescues and stimulus plans, like the one Barack Obama signed into law this week, are aimed at the roots of the economy’s problems: saving the banks, no matter how undeserving they are, is supposed to keep finance flowing to all firms; fiscal stimulus is supposed to lift demand across the board. As manufacturing collapses, governments should not fiddle with sectoral plans. Their proper task is broader but no less urgent: to get on with spending and with freeing up finance.
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Colour me unimpressed if the government only focus on saving the financial industry. It is far harder to recover and re-industrialise a nation as compared to rebuilding the fiances sector. Government's protection of manufacturing is not about making the manufacturing industry profitable and to meet demand.

It is about giving them life support until the national or global economy recovers. Supporting the manufacuring industry is not 'fixing' the economy, it is about preventing the recession from affecting even more people.
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I thought it was foolish to bail out a sector of the overall economic structure while leaving the rest sink or swim. What's the point of bailing out all banks, if there's no industry or other production for the banks to invest in and regain profits from? You need a banking system, a manufacturing system, and technology, and so on... otherwise it was like saving a injured patient's heart but letting the lungs, brain and liver make do on their own.

While it might have been better for the government to perform triage and rescue certain industries, certain manufacturers, and certain banks, etc, that show promise while leaving the rest to flounder, the problem becoems which cross-sections of productivity do you choose? Do you bail out Ford, IBM, and Citibank while leaving GM, Hewlett-Packard and Chase to perish? The ones left out in the cold will howl and scream 'Favoritism'.

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What Washington seems to be wilfully ignoring is that banks and investment firms are intermediaries for wealth, and unless you're a bank or investment firm employee, they in and of themselves are NOT part of the productive sector. Banks are (or are supposed to be) places for people who have accumulated some wealth to save it, and make it available for investment, which returns interest on savings accounts and certificates of deposit. Stock exchanges are where (or are supposed to be where) companies go to raise capital for business growth, based on somebody who has accumulated wealth purchasing company stocks, bonds, indentures, etc.

Our manufacturing woes, from what I have seen, have been hurt by world wide overcapacity, incorrect trend predictions, poor labor practices (in the US anyway), and rampant use of credit and accounting tricks to keep the party going. Without manufacturing, whether that is cars, jars, computers, drugs, or movies, there is no way for a nation to improve or maintain its standard of living. The good news is that manufacturing has always recovered from previous crises, because there are always things that people need or want....as long as the country's banking system doesn't collapse.

What the US is doing, and what Britain and Europe seem prepared to do, is blowing our money on rescuing the middle men, rather than flushing out the mistakes and setting the stage for a real recovery. In my mind, it's akin to putting a new coat of paint on a Ford Pinto; it might be shiny, but it's still a Pinto and you still don't want to be in it if the gas tank gets hit.
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The other drawback is that sectoral aid does not address the underlying cause of the crisis—a fall in demand, not just for manufactured goods, but for everything. Because there is too much capacity (far too much in the car industry), some businesses must close however much aid the government pumps in. How can governments know which firms to save or the “right” size of any industry? That is for consumers to decide.
How do you know what's the right size? Go back about 10-20 years before the credit bubble bullshit and house as ATM trend took off. Take bubble credit out of the equation and you can arrive at how many widgets consumers can afford to buy on a sustainable ongoing basis. Adjust for inflation, costs, population & so forth, and that's how many cars, fridges, toasters, and TVs we can buy every year. As for which firms to save, it's not that hard either, audit them to see which one has the best balance sheets and prospects going forward, and give them loans if needed since they would have the best chance of being able to pay them back, and if they can't they get taken over and put through Chapter 11 or 7.
If sectoral aid is wasteful, why then save the banking system? Not for the sake of the bankers, certainly; nor because state aid will create an efficient financial industry. Even flawed bank rescues and stimulus plans, like the one Barack Obama signed into law this week, are aimed at the roots of the economy’s problems: saving the banks, no matter how undeserving they are, is supposed to keep finance flowing to all firms; fiscal stimulus is supposed to lift demand across the board. As manufacturing collapses, governments should not fiddle with sectoral plans. Their proper task is broader but no less urgent: to get on with spending and with freeing up finance.
What a load of shit. The job of government is to spend spend spend and throw money into the financial system? What kind of goddamn retard is the writer? The US has now committed over $10 trillion to "spending & freeing up finance", of which around $3.5 to $4 trillion has already being spent and is permanently gone, and for what? Here's a hint dumbass, you can't sober up a drunk by making him drink another bottle of rum! We got into this shitstorm because of too much cheap credit and debt, so the solution is to create even more cheap credit & debt?

Fuck. Why the hell am I surprised? The writer is yet another Kool-aid drinker from The Economist who believes in Skittles shitting unicorns. Jackass probably owns a bunch of shares in the financials and wants to run a pump job on them.
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aerius wrote:What a load of shit. The job of government is to spend spend spend and throw money into the financial system? What kind of goddamn retard is the writer? The US has now committed over $10 trillion to "spending & freeing up finance", of which around $3.5 to $4 trillion has already being spent and is permanently gone, and for what? Here's a hint dumbass, you can't sober up a drunk by making him drink another bottle of rum! We got into this shitstorm because of too much cheap credit and debt, so the solution is to create even more cheap credit & debt?
It seems like you're oversimplifying the problem. The root cause of the contraction right now is that nobody can get credit because the entire goddamn financial system is locked up; the solution the author is proffering is simply a step to ensure the financial system can get money from lenders to borrowers, and once that happens it is presumably his libertarian view that the economy will eventually pull itself out of the recession. How that happens is a different matter, but the author's not making any specific claims as to how it should be done, he's simply saying it's the government's place to save banks and not to save industry.
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Surlethe wrote: It seems like you're oversimplifying the problem. The root cause of the contraction right now is that nobody can get credit because the entire goddamn financial system is locked up; the solution the author is proffering is simply a step to ensure the financial system can get money from lenders to borrowers, and once that happens it is presumably his libertarian view that the economy will eventually pull itself out of the recession. How that happens is a different matter, but the author's not making any specific claims as to how it should be done, he's simply saying it's the government's place to save banks and not to save industry.

The root cause at this point is that people have stopped spending so much money on crap they don’t need, and now a huge section of the world economy is redundant, and should have never existed because it was all built up on easy debt since the end of the cold war. Everything else is a symptom of this. Being able to get credit is meaningless if you can't afford to pay if off because no one can afford to buy your product.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:The root cause at this point is that people have stopped spending so much money on crap they don’t need, and now a huge section of the world economy is redundant, and should have never existed because it was all built up on easy debt since the end of the cold war. Everything else is a symptom of this. Being able to get credit is meaningless if you can't afford to pay if off because no one can afford to buy your product.
Right now the contraction is a drop in demand, but what really got the ball rolling was the financial collapse; conversely, without a functioning financial system to extend credit to businesses, the economy won't be able to pick itself up. Leaving aside for a moment the humanitarian problems with non-intervention, industry will ebb and flow as long as the financial sector is available to provide investment. The author is justified, then, to argue from a libertarian framework that the government should bail out banks and not manufacturers.
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Surlethe wrote:It seems like you're oversimplifying the problem. The root cause of the contraction right now is that nobody can get credit because the entire goddamn financial system is locked up; the solution the author is proffering is simply a step to ensure the financial system can get money from lenders to borrowers, and once that happens it is presumably his libertarian view that the economy will eventually pull itself out of the recession.
Except...that's not true. Commercial paper loans are doing just fine, well, that is excepting those for the financial sector and various asset backed securities. Commercial papers outstanding have actually been steady or going up, meaning more loans being made available, and the rates on those have dropped to record lows. Consumer credit outstanding is also holding steady, and there was a recent news article (I'll need time to find it) which stated that consumer loan originations had actually picked up last month.

So if you're a company and you're not a financial, you're getting money just fine. If you're an individual looking to get a loan that's not a mortgage, you're not doing badly either as long as you have a good credit history. To summarize, the system's working fine for those who aren't lying bastards and who can actually pay back their loans.
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Can you get me links for all of those factoids? I need to run, but I'll think about this more.
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Surlethe wrote:Can you get me links for all of those factoids? I need to run, but I'll think about this more.
FRB consumer credit report

FRB commercial paper

Still can't find the consumer loan originations paper, I'll ask my wife if she has it bookmarked or something.
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Surlethe wrote: Right now the contraction is a drop in demand, but what really got the ball rolling was the financial collapse; conversely, without a functioning financial system to extend credit to businesses, the economy won't be able to pick itself up.
Any why did that financial collapse occur? Because banks lent money to people who used debt to obtain possessions and property they could not afford. If that hadn’t happened then the banks would be fine, and manufacturing and construction would be smaller, but stable. Now demand has contracted, and it will stay contracted until the markets sort themselves out and consumers have more money as time passes. But we cannot go back to the way things used to be.
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Surlethe wrote:...without a functioning financial system to extend credit to businesses, the economy won't be able to pick itself up
There's always the government finance. Yeah, a "normal" "capitalist" restoration of economy might not be possible without a functioning banking system, but frankly, if it comes to the collapse of the financial system, you can use any means to keep your economy running.
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