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Young Conservatives Can't Get With the Program

By Ian Shapira
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Thursday, February 26, 2009; Page C01

It's early February, and the happy hour at the Union Pub on Capitol Hill is jammed with an unlikely slice of young Washington strivers: conservatives, libertarians, free-market/small-government types, anyone right of center. People, in other words, in their 20s or early 30s who actually groan at the label Generation Obama.

Organized by an employee at the Grover Norquist-led Americans for Tax Reform, the party in the pub's back barroom seems naturally suited for this group: Fox News is playing alongside the Dave Matthews tracks. One drink special, $5 for a down-on-the-heels set, seems almost too perfect a nostalgic prop: "The Gipper," concocted with bourbon.

Spencer Barrs, 22, a Heritage Foundation intern, is talking with his buddies about feelings of alienation.

"My best friend called and asked who I voted for and I told him I wasn't voting for Obama," Barrs says. "And then he told me, 'I just think you hate black people.' It was a shot to the gut. You feel like you're surrounded on all corners."

His friend John O'Keefe, 23, another conservative think-tank intern who might be out of a job after his internship ends in May, dismisses his liberal contemporaries. "The only thing they have are blogs. They feel like gods of our generation," he says, before ruminating on a very Washington cure-all. "I'm hoping that people get [angry] at Obama and start forming political action committees."


There's hope among today's young conservatives -- new Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele just announced an "off the hook" public relations blitz to woo young people -- but there's also a lot of alienation. Those 18 to 29, part of the "millennial generation," voted overwhelmingly for Obama in the presidential election, according to polling data. Some at this happy hour won't name their employers in social settings with contemporaries because they fear it will create awkwardness.

"I just say that I work at a nonprofit," says Margaret Taylor, 24, who won't say for publication which organization she works for, other than that it's economically oriented.


Others, meanwhile, worry that they might not have jobs in Washington for long. Recession-related reasons aside, right-of-center young people looking for steady work with an ideological bent are having an unusually difficult time. For much of the past decade, young conservatives enjoyed an array of job opportunities in the Republican-controlled Congress and at insulated, well-funded nonprofit organizations. But since Democrats gained control in 2006, many prized slots on Senate and House committees started going to the new majority. And now, there's no Republican administration in power to offer jobs to its own.

Young conservatives could apply for regular jobs, they acknowledge, but they also believe that their 20s are a safe age -- likely no children, often unmarried -- to start low- to moderate-paying jobs that potentially could launch prestigious careers in politics or public policy. The tough job market only reinforces their sense of being marooned.

At Heritage, one of Washington's premier conservative think tanks, the organization's Young Leaders Program job bank is receiving résumés from 20-somethings nationwide. But employers are not tapping the source as much as in past years, a sign that the potent conservative think tanks and other machinelike organizations of the Bush years might be waning. "It's gone from maybe three or four calls a day to one or two," said David Barnes, the program's assistant director. "It's bad."

Justin Rand, 24, formerly a "confidential assistant" in the White House's drug policy office, exited right before the election to work on John McCain's campaign -- so, he hoped, he could remain at the White House. After McCain's loss, Rand could no longer stay in Washington because, among other reasons, he couldn't find a job. He has since moved in with his parents in Jacksonville, Fla.

Still, the young conservatives talk about sticking to their principles. Their party and their policies will come back. And what does not kill you . . .

Bettina Inclan, 29, who was a Republican Party "victory director" with McCain's campaign in Miami-Dade, just found a job as a communications and outreach director for the nonprofit activist organization Citizens in Charge, which pushes states to enact legislation through ballot initiatives and referendums and is led by a weekly columnist for the conservative Web site TownHall.com.

She says she would never have sought work with the reigning party.

"My family sacrificed everything to come to this country so the government wouldn't interfere with their lives," Inclan says. "I am not caught up in the hype of Obama. When you don't buy into whatever everyone else is doing, they wonder, 'Why aren't you with the cool kids?' "


In a New York Times column last June, David Brooks wrote that a new commentariat of young conservative writers -- such as Julian Sanchez, Megan McArdle and Will Wilkinson -- has come of age "as official conservatism slipped into decrepitude . . . put off by the shock-jock rhetorical style of Ann Coulter."

Scott Keeter, survey research director at the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, suggests there may be broad reasons why Republicans are not in sync with millennials. "I don't want to go too far and say this is a lost generation for the Republican Party," Keeter says. "But it's a serious portent that [young people's affection for the Democratic Party] is not dependent on Obama -- it's a function of demographic shifts, and that this generation came of age when the Republican brand has been damaged."

Here's what the GOP is up against: Analysis of network exit polls by The Washington Post and Pew show that in terms of both party identification and vote margin, the Democrats' advantage over Republicans among voters younger than 30 is as large as it has been in more than three decades. Looking at party affiliation, for instance, in 2008, 46 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds identified as Democrats, 27 percent as independents and 27 percent as Republicans, about the same as the breakdown in 1972. But as recently as 2000, there was much more parity: 36 percent were Democrats, 29 percent independents and 35 percent Republicans.

At the Union Pub, Dustin Siggins, 24, says he sometimes uses humor to deflect the awkwardness of being on the margins of his generation. "I met a girl today at the gym from Boston College. She was getting a law degree from George Washington. She was cute," he says. "But she wants to work for the ACLU, and I said, 'Oh, you're one of those.' "

Later, in a phone interview, Siggins says he struggles with some of his party's more culturally orthodox ideals. "Because I am in this generation and was raised in a pro-gay-marriage era, I am only a little bit against gay marriage, but only a little, like 53 percent to 47," he says. "I have about a dozen gay friends, 30 or 20, and they would all back me up. In college, I used to have lunch with them. . . . We went ice skating once."

Some are trying to bolster the youth movement, one instant message at a time.

Peter Suderman, 27, and Conor Friedersdorf, 29, both of the District, were recently laid off from jobs at the now-defunct Web magazine Culture11.com, which had a conservative-Libertarian bent. Now, with about $250 each a month due in student loan payments, and money saved from their previous jobs, they are scrambling for new gigs.

Suderman settled into his home office one day recently to IM with Friedersdorf. "I see liberal reporter friends from small publications who are covering White House press conferences who are my age or a bit older," Suderman said. "Used to be, that publication would not get into the White House or not get the information."

But he and Friedersdorf, reveling in their underdog status, have a plan. They want to start a right-of-center journalism site, something that features deeply reported stories and relies on the investigative skills of their readers to "crow d-source" articles. So, they start tapping away on their computers, slowly elbowing their subculture's way back into the fray, to the sounds of Gmail's IM alerts ringing back and forth.

Polling director Jon Cohen and polling analyst Jennifer Agiesta contributed to this report.


I bolded the best parts, but read the whole article, it's hilarious.

I just don't understand how somebody can have that much cognitave dissonance. It makes you wonder if the people in the article realize the implications of saying things like "I am only 53% bigoted!"

It's not like anybody in the article made a cohesive argument against supporting Obama, only that they were voting against him because it wasn't what everybody else was doing.

The party that nominated a man who would have been the oldest living President, and still worships the ground stepped on by the oldest man to serve the office of President is losing young voters? How can that be?!
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Wow. That is "Some of my best friends are black" type of thinking right there.
Why don't these bums get real jobs or go to college?
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Samuel wrote:Wow. That is "Some of my best friends are black" type of thinking right there.
Why don't these bums get real jobs or go to college?
Because any employer would obviously discriminate against them for being conservative. No young republican would go to college because they might get exposed to liberal thinking.

I mean, besides business school, or political science. Safe in that conservative fantasy world.
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Instant Sunrise wrote:
Because any employer would obviously discriminate against them for being conservative. No young republican would go to college because they might get exposed to liberal thinking.

I mean, besides business school, or political science. Safe in that conservative fantasy world.
I love this especially. Yes, Lockheed, Northrup, Boeing, etc. are BASTIONS of the "Librul Agenda".

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At the Union Pub, Dustin Siggins, 24, says he sometimes uses humor to deflect the awkwardness of being on the margins of his generation. "I met a girl today at the gym from Boston College. She was getting a law degree from George Washington. She was cute," he says. "But she wants to work for the ACLU, and I said, 'Oh, you're one of those.' "


Humor? This comes off more as attempting to hide his complete and total contempt for equal rights groups rather than any type of humor.
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General Zod wrote:Humor? This comes off more as attempting to hide his complete and total contempt for equal rights groups rather than any type of humor.
Remember, conservatives think Mallard Fillmore is funny.
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At the Union Pub, Dustin Siggins, 24, says he sometimes uses humor to deflect the awkwardness of being on the margins of his generation. "I met a girl today at the gym from Boston College. She was getting a law degree from George Washington. She was cute," he says. "But she wants to work for the ACLU, and I said, 'Oh, you're one of those.' "


Humor? This comes off more as attempting to hide his complete and total contempt for equal rights groups rather than any type of humor.

You have to remember that many conservatives, I would go so far as to say most, view that ACLU as a contemptible organization that corrupts society or gets in the way of their rights; things of that nature.
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Lonestar wrote: I love this especially. Yes, Lockheed, Northrup, Boeing, etc. are BASTIONS of the "Librul Agenda".

Damn those mega-companies!
Oh Lonestar, we all know YOU work for a 'non-profit'. :)
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Oh Lonestar, we all know YOU work for a 'non-profit'. :)
I don't know what you're talking about, the company I work for is a little Mom 'n Pop with 80 employees. And as long as you don't ask "are you a subcontractor for anyone" we can continue to pretend I don't work for some horrible corporation that may or may not be directly culpable to horrific abuses on a breathtaking scale in Iraq and various detention centers.
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I had to check to see if this was an onion article. lol. Having black or gay friends does not preclude you from being racist and homophobic. Plenty of people are able to get along with individuals but hate the group. The comment that he had 20 or 30 gay friends kind struck me as odd though.
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ArmorPierce wrote:I had to check to see if this was an onion article. lol. Having black or gay friends does not preclude you from being racist and homophobic. Plenty of people are able to get along with individuals but hate the group. The comment that he had 20 or 30 gay friends kind struck me as odd though.
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The other 47% of that guy is waiting for an airport bathroom.
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And the comedy just keeps rolling along:

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How Mike Huckabee, John Bolton, and Joe the Plumber would reform the GOP.
By Christopher Beam
Posted Thursday, Feb. 26, 2009, at 7:23 PM ET


This year's Conservative Political Action Conference is impressively diverse: The groups that have set up booths include FreedomWorks, Freedom's Defense Fund, Freedom Alliance, the David Horowitz Freedom Center, Let Freedom Ring, FreedomFest, Young Americans for Freedom, the Campaign for Liberty, and my favorite, Youth for Western Civilization. As for the actual attendees, about half appear to be college students, while another one-quarter look like those guys who hang around university libraries into late adulthood. The remainder are D.C. regulars—politicians, media figures, commentators, nonprofit leaders, and their respective entourages.

The questions hovering over CPAC this year are two: 1) What happened? 2) What now? The answers, too, fall into two categories: We didn't compromise enough, or we compromised too much.

For this crowd, the latter narrative is gospel. The problem is not that John McCain failed to win the center. It's that he strayed too far from the conservative principles of low taxes, strong defense, and family values. "We can't plot a new strategy unless we realize that the past path didn't work," said Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin in his keynote address.

To these minds, the 2008 election was not a rejection of conservative policies, because no candidate represented them. Democrats had the youngest, most charismatic candidate in decades, with hundreds of millions to spend against a party whose president was mired in two wars and a plunging economy, and that fielded an uninspiring, geriatric candidate—and still Democrats won only 52 percent of the vote! Barack Obama likes to remind Republicans in Congress that he won the election. But Republicans at CPAC remind him that it wasn't by much.

And now, Ryan says, Obama is already running the country into the ground. "Americans were asking for conservative policies," Ryan said. "But the liberals in Congress gave us a $700 billion budget buster." As he says this, the man standing next to me groans loudly. I watch as he produces an orange bottle of prescription pills, fumbles a finger around inside, and pops one into his mouth. Obama is literally driving Republicans to medicate.

As Ryan speaks, it becomes clear why he got the keynote spot: He's the Republicans' idea guy. Sarah Palin might be the cheerleader. Huckabee might be the folksy man of God. Romney might be the efficiency expert. Ryan name-checks Hayek and Ayn Rand. He uses the phrase tipping point three times in one speech. He also describes a five-point plan to Republican dominance: Stabilize our currency, reform the tax code (even Geithner couldn't figure it out!), prevent a "federal health care monopoly," cap the federal budget, and dial back regulation. It occurs to me that Obama would agree with him on three out of five.

If Ryan is the bright young future of conservatism, the next speaker, John Bolton, is his grizzled uncle with PTSD. "President Obama is the most radical president ever elected," he begins before proceeding, essay-style, to support that thesis statement. For starters, Obama never uses the phrase war on terror. He doesn't understand the CIA, as proven by his pledge to keep open temporary intelligence bases. ("Here's a little tip: All CIA bases are temporary.") Bolton then recalls the time during the campaign when Obama said Iran was just a "tiny" threat. "Is the loss of one American city picked at random—Chicago—is that a 'tiny' threat?" He delivers this line like Kevin Nealon's Subliminal Man. This brings the house down.

But Bolton is just getting started. "How many of you would like to spend more money on foreign aid?" he asks. A smattering of chuckles. "How many of you want to spend more money on missile defense?" Uproarious applause. "Yeeeeah!!!" screams someone nearby. Later, he works in a nice riff on Iran's nuclear program, quipping that it's "not motivated by an abstract interest in astrophysics." If you believe Bolton, Obama won't be voted out of office so much as bombed out.

Later in the day, Mike Huckabee offers his own diagnosis of the party's ills: They didn't listen to him. During the campaign, he says, "I was often excoriated by writers because I dared say, which I did, that there was a Wall Street-to-Washington axis of power that was out of control." He adds: "I got laughed at for saying it then. It seems prophetic now." Likewise, Republicans were too afraid to be social conservatives: "We didn't lose because we want to keep babies from ending up in wastebaskets."

But the most withering critic of Republicans might be one of their most prominent figures: Joe "The Plumber" Wurzelbacher. "I'm pissed off at the Republicans just as much as the Democrats," he said in an interview. "They need to stop talking and start doing something. I don't love Obama, but you gotta give it to him—the Democrats are making things happen."

Wurzelbacher is easily the most-loved person here. People line up to see him wherever he goes. Fox News producers rise from their lunch tables to intercept him. Fans tell him secrets in hushed voices. "You'd think he was Julia Roberts," says his handler. "George Clooney," he corrects.

Wurzelbacher says he's no fan of the stimulus—"No one wants to dig a 6-foot hole"—but is equally dismissive of Republican governors who say they plan to reject some of the recovery funds. "That's posturing. Take it all, or don't take any of it. Don't pick it apart and say I'll take a little or whatever."

But he saved his harshest words for the man who made him: John McCain. "He doesn't care about what's best for America," Wurzelbacher said. "He only cares about what's best for John McCain."

According to Wurzelbacher, he and McCain have "not a damn thing in common." "I respect his service to our country," he said, but he doesn't agree with his policy positions. He doesn't regret campaigning for McCain, but he does resent the campaign's attempts to keep him on message. "When I said a vote for Obama would be death for Israel, they freaked out. Twenty cell phones started ringing. I said, 'Guys, if you want me here, you can't me telling me what to say.' " He added, "I feel dirtier now than I ever did as a plumber."

I asked him whether he supports anyone for 2012. The answer was an emphatic no. "There's been no leadership," he said. "I believe Sarah Palin honestly wants to serve her country." But he hasn't made up his mind.

As for Wurzelbacher's future, he's still riding out his campaign fame. He has a gig reporting for Pajamas Media, and this week he's been touring Washington think tanks. Number of plumbing jobs he's done since the campaign: two.

What he really wants to do, though, is teach. Middle-school history, in particular. "I love history, all kinds of history, world history," he says. Somehow, he wanders to the subject of slavery. "Don't get me wrong, slavery was a terrible, horrible thing. But you can't whine and cry about it these days. I mean, Jews were slaves, but they're not asking for compensation from Egypt. People want to play the victim. …" He trails off. "I should stop."

Christopher Beam is a Slate political reporter.


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Instant Sunrise wrote:
General Zod wrote:Humor? This comes off more as attempting to hide his complete and total contempt for equal rights groups rather than any type of humor.
Remember, conservatives think Mallard Fillmore is funny.
Being honest, there are times when Mallard Fillmore and Day By Day are funny.
The problem is that since October, they have become less funny and more doctrinaire.

As far as DBD is concerned, he ceased being entertaining after Obama won the Democratic nomination.
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Typical. Point and laugh and ignore all the uncomfortable questions. However deranged and demented you believe these people to be, they represent a substantial segment of the American population.

More than pointing fingers and thumping chests in self-satisfied displays every bit as worthless as their bitching and moaning over alienation, you should ask, "Why do they believe as they do? On what basis do they advocate these policies?"

Nothing in politics is a settled matter. Every single plank of every platform has a rationale of some kind. It can be found out, linked to other issues, and bargained over.

Barack Obama won a historical victory that proved the possibilities inherent in the American system of government. He also accomplished this feat against an opponent universally believed to have sold his soul for the price of a nomination, and one of the most reviled presidents in American history.

This board has a lot to say about people it deems morally unworthy. Strangely, it has much less to say on how one can go about engaging these folks, and beginning to change their minds.
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"Americans were asking for conservative policies," Ryan said.
:wtf:
Stabilize our currency, reform the tax code (even Geithner couldn't figure it out!), prevent a "federal health care monopoly," cap the federal budget, and dial back regulation.
3, 4 and 5 are stupid. 1 and 2 are stupid depending on the details.
"President Obama is the most radical president ever elected,"
FDR and Lincoln were alot more so.
For starters, Obama never uses the phrase war on terror.
:wanker:
He doesn't understand the CIA, as proven by his pledge to keep open temporary intelligence bases. ("Here's a little tip: All CIA bases are temporary.")
Making mistakes is a sign of radicalism?
Bolton then recalls the time during the campaign when Obama said Iran was just a "tiny" threat. "Is the loss of one American city picked at random—Chicago—is that a 'tiny' threat?"
We have ABM for a reason.
"We didn't lose because we want to keep babies from ending up in wastebaskets."
Ban abortion and watch as you lose election after election.
What he really wants to do, though, is teach. Middle-school history, in particular. "I love history, all kinds of history, world history," he says. Somehow, he wanders to the subject of slavery. "Don't get me wrong, slavery was a terrible, horrible thing. But you can't whine and cry about it these days. I mean, Jews were slaves, but they're not asking for compensation from Egypt. People want to play the victim. …" He trails off. "I should stop."
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Ah, Axis Kast. Good to see you.
However deranged and demented you believe these people to be, they represent a substantial segment of the American population.
So do fundamentalists. In fact, the two overlap.
"Why do they believe as they do? On what basis do they advocate these policies?"
Do you want evolutionary psych? Moral politics and language? The simple fact of the matter is that their position is not based on reason.
Nothing in politics is a settled matter. Every single plank of every platform has a rationale of some kind. It can be found out, linked to other issues, and bargained over.
Except wedge issues. They CANNOT be bargained over.
Strangely, it has much less to say on how one can go about engaging these folks, and beginning to change their minds.
Lets see... reason doesn't work, friendlyness doesn't work, hostility doesn't work, evidence doesn't work...
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Axis Kast wrote:Typical. Point and laugh and ignore all the uncomfortable questions. However deranged and demented you believe these people to be, they represent a substantial segment of the American population.

More than pointing fingers and thumping chests in self-satisfied displays every bit as worthless as their bitching and moaning over alienation, you should ask, "Why do they believe as they do? On what basis do they advocate these policies?"
I've dealt with a lot of people who advocate this exact mix of policies. I've worked in factories, remember? The blue-collar rank and file is overwhelmingly in favour of this kind of thinking, and quite frankly, it's because they're fundamentally anti-intellectual. They think at the gut-instinct level, which is essentially tribal for our species. Every socio-political issue is "analyzed" in this mindset by identifying a "good" side and "bad" side, and then declaring that the "bad" side must be harmed in order to solve the problem.

Economy? Call the government the "bad guys". Shrink the government to solve the problem.

Morality? Call the homosexuals the "bad guys". Suppress them to solve the problem.

Foreign policy? There's no end to the list of "bad guys". Attack them to solve the problem.

Public health? They can't identify a "bad guy" here without hitting themselves or their own lifestyle (remember: they're tribal, so anything they do is OK), so they think public health is an overblown issue, with "leftist alarmists" and "nanny-state liberals" trying to make hay out of nothing. They won't say that up-front, but when you present them with specific public-health issues, like child safety or smoking or alcohol, they immediately whip out the "hey, life is dangerous, get over it" bullshit.

Environment? See above. They can't identify a "bad guy" here without hitting themselves or their own lifestyle, so they think the environment is an overblown issue, with "leftist alarmists" and "overpaid overeducated scientists" making up nonsense.

Crime? That's an easy one. Bash the bad guys. Bash 'em good. When that doesn't work, kill 'em. Kill 'em good.

Seriously, it is not difficult to understand the conservative mindset, because it is tribal and instinctive.
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I think Axis has a point here, however - it's not productive to simply dismiss a large portion of the voting block due to their beliefs rather than understanding and trying to use them. Perhaps his point is that it's not necesasrily a great idea to 'point and laugh' and trying to basically sideline these people rather than seeking to engage them. After all, if they're as stupid as they sound, it should be pretty easy to manipulate them.
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Axis Kast wrote:This board has a lot to say about people it deems morally unworthy. Strangely, it has much less to say on how one can go about engaging these folks, and beginning to change their minds.
Though I may not agree with very many of your political views specifically, I do agree with you on this point. It is very easy to stay in one's ivory tower (particularly on the Internet) where most share your views, and you can safely snicker at those who disagree.

The fun happens when one has a friendly debate with a friend who has a nearly diametrically-opposed point of view, and both of you challenge each other's sources. I've done this with a good friend of mine (who is, in fact, Republican), and we've come to some interesting conclusions as to the basis of why we agree or disagree with particular points over the years as a result. Moreover, ironically enough, it has helped my friend and I to come to consensus more often than either of us suspected on many specific issues.
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Stark wrote:I think Axis has a point here, however - it's not productive to simply dismiss a large portion of the voting block due to their beliefs rather than understanding and trying to use them. Perhaps his point is that it's not necesasrily a great idea to 'point and laugh' and trying to basically sideline these people rather than seeking to engage them. After all, if they're as stupid as they sound, it should be pretty easy to manipulate them.
One can simultaneously understand them and look down on them. As I said above, I've spent years working with people who think exactly like this. I can get along with them. I was pretty conservative myself in my youth. The conservative mindset appeals to something we can all understand if we try, because it's primal: its appeal lies with instincts buried in the psyche of every person.

The problem is that it doesn't go both ways. Conservatives have serious trouble understanding the liberal mindset, which is why conservative caricatures of liberals are so absurd and cartoonish, and not just among whack-a-loons but even among high-level conservatives with large followings.
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rhoenix wrote:
Axis Kast wrote:This board has a lot to say about people it deems morally unworthy. Strangely, it has much less to say on how one can go about engaging these folks, and beginning to change their minds.
Though I may not agree with very many of your political views specifically, I do agree with you on this point. It is very easy to stay in one's ivory tower (particularly on the Internet) where most share your views, and you can safely snicker at those who disagree.

The fun happens when one has a friendly debate with a friend who has a nearly diametrically-opposed point of view, and both of you challenge each other's sources. I've done this with a good friend of mine (who is, in fact, Republican), and we've come to some interesting conclusions as to the basis of why we agree or disagree with particular points over the years as a result. Moreover, ironically enough, it has helped my friend and I to come to consensus more often than either of us suspected on many specific issues.
That's not so helpful when the opposing side isn't willing to even consider challenging their own views, which happens to be a significant number of conservatives. Especially when they fall back on the "well okay, you've got some good points but I still think I'm right" routine. It's even more infuriating when they can't or won't bother to actually explain why they think they're correct.
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For the most part, young Republicans are from insular suburban neighborhoors and the only political viewpoint that they have been exposed to is that of their parents.

It's easy to assume that hard work and BOOTSTRAPS will help the poor, if you have never had any kind of hardship. Honestly, most of these people don't realize that people can be less well off for reason other than laziness and a lack of effort.
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General Zod wrote:That's not so helpful when the opposing side isn't willing to even consider challenging their own views, which happens to be a significant number of conservatives. Especially when they fall back on the "well okay, you've got some good points but I still think I'm right" routine.
That's because they do not draw much distinction between policy and morality. When you do that, you think everything is a crusade.
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Well, how do we know if we didn't change their minds? After all, people who are willingly to change their beliefs and opinions doesn't have to scream 'I've changed my beliefs' to everyone. On the other hand, those that doesn't want to change their beliefs usually have the louder voice in my opinions.
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