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Can Police Officers join the Ku Klux Klan?

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Neb. court upholds firing of trooper for Klan link
By ERIC OLSON – 52 minutes ago
OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — The Nebraska Supreme Court on Friday upheld the firing of a State Patrol trooper for his ties to the Ku Klux Klan.
Justice John Gerrard wrote that Robert Henderson voluntarily associated with an organization that uses violence and terror to oppose the state's founding principles of equality and tolerance.
Henderson, a trooper for 18 years, was dismissed in 2006 after the patrol discovered he had joined a racist group. He told an investigator he joined the Knights Party — which has described itself as the most active Klan organization in the United States — in June 2004.
An arbitrator said Henderson's firing violated his First Amendment rights, among other things, but Lancaster County District Judge Jeffre Cheuvront overturned that decision.
Henderson's attorney, Vincent Valentino, had argued to the high court that arbitrators, not judges, have the final say. He said Friday that an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court was possible, based on "everything from due process to freedom of speech and freedom of association." A due process argument, he added, would refer to violation of Henderson's rights under the union contract.
Gerrard wrote that while it's not the role of a court, generally, to set aside an arbitrator's decision, it is permissible for a court to "refuse to enforce an arbitration award that is contrary to a public policy that is explicit, well defined, and dominant."
Justice Kenneth Stephan wrote in a dissenting opinion that the courts overstepped their bounds by overturning the arbitrator. Stephan said Henderson had kept his beliefs well hidden while on the job and there was no evidence they interfered with his impartial enforcement of the law.
But Gerrard noted that the state's admission to the Union in 1867, two years after the Civil War ended, was dependent on a "fundamental public policy" that Nebraska would adhere to the principle that "laws should be enforced without regard to race."
"It is beyond dispute that (Henderson) willingly joined the Knights Party, knowing that he was effectively joining the Ku Klux Klan," Gerrard wrote. "In joining, he endorsed a point of view that is completely antithetical to the principles of Nebraska law that he was bound by oath to enforce."
To associate with the KKK is to associate with a legacy of hatred, bigotry, violence and terror, and keeping Henderson in the force would reduce public confidence in law enforcement, Gerrard wrote.
"One cannot simultaneously wear the badge of the Nebraska State Patrol and the robe of a Klansman without degrading what that badge represents when worn by any officer."
In his ruling, arbitrator Paul Caffera ordered the patrol to reinstate Henderson within 60 days and pay him his back wages. He said Henderson was entitled to his First Amendment rights of free speech and that the state violated the troopers' contract.
But the state appealed that decision and won in Lancaster County District Court.
Henderson told an investigator that he joined the Knights Party to vent his frustrations after his wife left him for a Hispanic man. Henderson posted four messages to the Knights' Web site, according to the investigator's report.
Valentino said his client now works part-time for private security firms.
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Very interesting case - what is more important, free speech or the public well being?

For my money, I agree with the court's ruling - I don't want my chotas joining the KKK, Al Qaeda, the Earth Liberation Front, or any other sort of organization that uses violence to accomplish its goals.
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The Ku Klux Klan is on the FBI's terror watch list isn't it? I don't really see the problem with firing anyone who winds up joining an organization that has a blatant conflict of interest with their employer.
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I don't really see the difference between this and an officer getting fired for joining the mafia.
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Well played and a very logical ruling. Discounting the freedom of speech argument as it has no substance, this plays back to the days of the civil rights movement when police officers killed and then worked hard to cover those murders up, why because the killers lynched the evil blacks.
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^ Or al-Qaeda. I hear we don't like terrorists?
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Free speech is a truly wonderful thing, that must be preserved in this country that it's inhabitants may continue to enjoy the freedoms that their ancestors fought for.



But this is ridiculous. There is no possible justification for allowing an officer of the law -or anyone, under any circumstances, whatsoever- to join an organization thats stated goal is to persecute and suppress everyone who differs from it's membership in the slightest physical or mental characteristic. The Klan, and organizations like it, ought to be banned and their members arrested or deported, as they are clearly not fit to hold the privileges they insist only they deserve.

Sorry. Its a bit of a sore spot for me.
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The Klan is not a debating organization which debates about if Caucasians are racially superior to other races (stupid as the thought is) but a group which publicly advocated violence against minorities.
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Master_Baerne wrote:Free speech is a truly wonderful thing, that must be preserved in this country that it's inhabitants may continue to enjoy the freedoms that their ancestors fought for.



But this is ridiculous. There is no possible justification for allowing an officer of the law -or anyone, under any circumstances, whatsoever- to join an organization thats stated goal is to persecute and suppress everyone who differs from it's membership in the slightest physical or mental characteristic. The Klan, and organizations like it, ought to be banned and their members arrested or deported, as they are clearly not fit to hold the privileges they insist only they deserve.

Sorry. Its a bit of a sore spot for me.
Out of curiosity, where do you stand on the religious affiliations of police officers?
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It shouldn't matter in the slightest, so long as the officer in question agrees that it shouldn't.
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And acts accordingly. Agreement doesn't mean anything in and of itself, Baerne.
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You've a point there.
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Very interesting case - what is more important, free speech or the public well being?
Which do you think is more important? IMHO, public well-being wins out every time, since free speech was enshrined in order to serve public well-being (cf the Constitution preamble).
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At work (government job in Canada), if you are part of an organization or the like, that is banned, on a watch list, or that's stated mission/goal/etc is in conflict with your job (including outside jobs and companies), you can either leave the organization, or quit your job.

It's called conflict of interest.

If you rejoin, or are shown to have not left, you're fired. Depending on the outside association and/or job, you could be arrested as well.

Period.

I don't see what the problem with this. This is clearly conflict of interest. He's just upset he got called on his own stupidity.
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Solauren wrote:At work (government job in Canada), if you are part of an organization or the like, that is banned, on a watch list, or that's stated mission/goal/etc is in conflict with your job (including outside jobs and companies), you can either leave the organization, or quit your job.
Also in Canada, if you work for a government institution, you hand over certain rights of free speech.
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The right to free speech means that you can say whatever you want without being put in prison. It does not mean that you can say whatever you want without any repercussions whatsoever. If a McDonald's employee tells his boss to fuck off, he can't scream "free speech" if the guy fires him.

Of course, we also have anti-discrimination laws, so an employer can't fire an employee for being Christian. But if the employee harasses coworkers with religious propaganda and won't stop even after management tells him to, he can be fired.
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Sometimes you cannot express your opinions on some subject.
I had to take a psych test for one of my jobs, actually I had it for a while.
I was told to answer the questions honestly. One was where they wanted a few line answer on how I feel about drugs. In there, I stated that I never used any drugs but feel that Cannabis should be decriminalized. That was the wrong answer. They did not fire me but I had to "retake" the test.
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Ekiqa wrote:
Also in Canada, if you work for a government institution, you hand over certain rights of free speech.
For civilian institutions it's just the right to comment on policy though, correct?

In the CF we weren't even allowed to comment on whether or not you personally liked Jean Chrétien or whether you thought the policy of nobody being allowed in the sauna with no lifeguard on deck was BS, for example.
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Kitsune wrote:Sometimes you cannot express your opinions on some subject.
I had to take a psych test for one of my jobs, actually I had it for a while.
I was told to answer the questions honestly. One was where they wanted a few line answer on how I feel about drugs. In there, I stated that I never used any drugs but feel that Cannabis should be decriminalized. That was the wrong answer. They did not fire me but I had to "retake" the test.
Dude, have you ever heard the phrase "he talked himself right out of a sale?"

When asked a direct question, you answer it, then you stop. Why keep volunteering more information? The correct answer to "how do you feel about drugs" is "I don't do drugs and I don't like them". Why talk about how you think public policy should be changed?
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Well, I learned in that case to not be quite honest on such questions :oops:

I do learn though 8)
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
Ekiqa wrote:
Also in Canada, if you work for a government institution, you hand over certain rights of free speech.
For civilian institutions it's just the right to comment on policy though, correct?

In the CF we weren't even allowed to comment on whether or not you personally liked Jean Chrétien or whether you thought the policy of nobody being allowed in the sauna with no lifeguard on deck was BS, for example.
For civilian employee's they are not allowed to criticize the government, take out a membership in a political party, and several other, so far unmentioned, things that they deem a "threat". Also, they have to sign a gag order every year, reaffirming this.
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IMHO, the answer lies in just what position the person holds in local government.

If his stated racism doesn't materially affect his job, I can accept it even though I don't like it.
If on the other hand, he is law enforcement or someone else whose job involves discretion that can be affected by his prejudices, then I can accept his termination.
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